Why the hell is everyone making SUCH a big deal over a blowout in West Virginia?

[yourguide]

I've heard a lot of supporters on this board and the media making SUCH a huge deal over the margin that HRC is expected to win in WV. I don't get it. Obama has had blowout upon blowout in many states yet suddenly a Clinton blowout in WV wields some sort of mythical power over you all. Even the Clinton campaign seems to be touting this state as yet another reason to continue to fight in a battle that she has already lost.

The stats are:

Idaho (+63 Obama)
Obama: 80%, HRC: 17%

Hawaii (+52 Obama)
Obama: 76%, HRC: 24%

DC (+51 Obama)
Obama: 74%, HRC: 24%

Alaska (+49 Obama)
Obama: 74%, HRC: 25%

Kansas (+48 Obama)
Obama: 74%, HRC: 26%

Washinton (+37 Obama)
Obama: 68%, HRC: 31%

Georgia (+35 Obama)
Obama: 66%, HRC: 31%

Colorado (+35 Obama)
Obama: 67%, HRC: 32%

Minnesota (+34 Obama)
Obama: 66%, HRC: 32%

Illinois (+32 Obama)
Obama: 65%, HRC: 33%

Virginia (+29 Obama)
Obama: 64%, HRC: 35%

South Carolina (+28 Obama)
Obama: 55%, HRC: 27%, Edwards: 18%

North Dakota (+24 Obama)
Obama: 61%, HRC: 37%

Mississippi (+24 Obama)
Obama: 61%, HRC: 37%

Wyoming (+23 Obama)
Obama: 61%, HRC: 38%

Maryland (+23 Obama)
Obama: 60%, HRC: 37%

Louisiana (+21 Obama)
Obama: 57%, HRC: 36%

Vermont (+20 Obama)
Obama: 59%, HRC: 39%


The states that HRC has won by 20% or more?

Arkansas (+43 HRC)
HRC: 70%, Obama: 27%

Oklahoma (+24 HRC)
HRC: 55%, Obama: 31%, Edwards 10%



In the words of Kenny Rogers:

You gotta know when to hold em
Know when to fold em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run


It's time for her to bow out, a WV and Kentucky blow out mean nothing. The stats are there. This is why he's ahead in delegates, overwhelming support in many states.

[NJmaverick]

1. Who is everyone? It seems there is only a small percentage of DUers even talking about it

The primaries are over, most DUers are looking at the big prize

[Champion Jack]

3. Bingo! We have a Winner!

[yourguide]

5. Just on MSNBC

"Will a big win in West Virginia keep Hillary's campaign alive? Hardball with Chris Matthews on Monday."

[flpoljunkie]

2. BARACK OBAMA will be in Charleston, WV, tomorrow at the Charleston Civic Center

http://wv.barackobama.com/page/content/charleston

Barack Obama in Charleston, WV

Join Barack Obama at a campaign event in Charleston on Monday, May 12th.
CAMPAIGN EVENT WITH BARACK OBAMA

Charleston Civic Center
200 Civic Center Dr.
Charleston, WV 25301

Monday, May 12th, 2008
Doors Open: 10:30 a.m.
Program Begins: 12:15 p.m.

The event is free and open to the public; however, seating is limited and tickets are required. Tickets are available on a first-come, first served basis. For more information, please call our Charleston HQ at 304-346-2616.

For security reasons, do not bring bags. Please limit personal belongings. No signs or banners permitted.

http://wv.barackobama.com/page/content/charleston

[hokies4ever]

4. 3/4s of Hillary's losses have been by 16 points or more

I heard this stat right before the IN/NC primaries, so change it to 15 points or more and the percentage increases. When Hillary loses, she loses BIG! 16 points is like 2 landslides in one.

[yourguide]

6. I couldnt even deal with dealing with that post at 15%+

LOL.

[hokies4ever]

7. One of Hillary's biggest mistakes

was not telling her campaign that she didn't want to lose any state by 15 or more points. Her big state strategy would have worked then. However, once you start losing by multiple landslides, small states become medium-sized states and medium-sized states become large states. 29 points in VA? 18 points in WI? Unbelievable.

[melody]

8. The actual Clinton supporters aren't ... these fake Clinton supporter trolls are using it

They just want to bash Obama while taking cover behind Clinton.

[yourguide]

10. Just wait until she wins the WV primary...

There will be a million threads on her win.

Timmy will be on in NY in a 1/2 hour. Dying to see how McAuliffe spins it.

[melody]

12. Perhaps, but the most pernicious ones are trolls n/t

[Frances]

14. I have wondered the same thing

Many of the bash Hillary threads don't help Obama at all.

If Hillary wins by a large margin in West Virginia, as expected, Obama supporters should be gracious because Obama will be our nominee no matter what happens in West Virginia.

If we play our cards right, Obama has a chance of carrying West Virginia in the fall.

[Donkeykick]

9. It's because you can't see the forest...

because there is a tree in the way, that's why.

[4themind]

11. The media is in the business of selling interesting stories, either by covering or inflating them

At a point journalistic reality/common sense set in and they declared the race to be all but over, but hillary then refused to bow out. SHe's basically giving them another reason to keep the campaign news coverage going/keep interest and ratings up, so why jump off the money train now, is probably what they are thinking.:puffpiece:

[Deja Q]

15. A penis pump?

:wow:

(of course, that wouldn't be an atypical ploy of the media either...)

[Deja Q]

13. Because East Virginia is behind the Iron Curtain and nobody comes back from there?

:hide:

[rocktivity]

16. It's a 72-point margin of victory that Hillary needs to make WV count

Anything less than 86% of the vote won't help her close the pledged delegate gap. And she'll have get that same 86% in the other five remaining contests, too. Obama needs no more than 37% of WV to make her life harder.

:headbang:
rocknation

[FARAFIELD]

23. actually he only needs 17% to make it a draw

And THATS assuming they SPLIT the rest of the supers. YIKES, that is some tragic math for Hillary. And 17% just insures he doesnt LOSE any ground.

[stevenleser]

17. I wrote one of the OPs I think you might be talking about...

This one---> http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5915739

and I assure you, I am not afraid, nor am I a closet Hillary supporter, just google my name.

My main point is, even when you are running out the clock, you still run the last few plays in a deliberate manner. You dont want to get overconfident and/or fumble.

Let's keep working as if Obama is tied, close this thing out as strong as we can, and then crush McSame! That is my only agenda here.

[Avalux]

18. Hillary's campaign is making a big deal. That's about it.

McAuliffe did his best spin of the situation on MTP this morning, declaring that with wins in WV, KY and PR; millions of people will vote for Hillary, therefore showing why she should be the nominee. It's amazing how he can say that stuff knowing it's all crap. He's also pushing for the bylaws committee meeting to be decisive for Hillary's nomination.

[yourguide]

22. I just finished watching McAuliffe on MTP.

He was a train wreck.

[intaglio]

19. the usual suspects

Tellurian
rodeodance
McCamy Taylor
BenDavid
MonkeyFunk
emilyg
Maribelle
Seabiscuit

[yourguide]

24. Do you guys remember who was making such deal about

Guam and how the 7 vote win in Guam looked really really bad for Obama?

[Warren Stupidity]

20. Everyone = delusional goalpost shifters. nt.

[kevinbgoode]

21. My gosh....all of those states sure much not have many

working, hard-working white people. How else could she have possibly lost by such big margins?

[yourguide]

25. reminder...

[Doityourself]

26. Moving goal post keeps ratings up and papers sold

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

27. If West Virginia loves Hillary so much, they can have her!

No really. Please. I mean it. Change the state name to Clintonia. Make her Governor for life. A grateful nation thanks you.