Terry McAuliffe is on MTP and I don't understand something

[LaurenG]

He is saying that Senator Clinton should get 50% of the Michigan and Florida votes. (Did I hear that correctly)? Now the question, what difference will it make if the each get 50%. How does that change anything?

[4themind]

1. Did he say 50% of the vote or

a 50% reduction of the delegates seated (vs. all of them)? Heck even that would be a significant change from their previous position, they might have already felt the pulse of their supporters on the committee.

[LaurenG]

2. I walked in after he was talking and I had to try and fill in the blanks.

Evidently in 2003 he made an announcement that if States vote early the numbers will be split 50%. I was trying to get clarification about what he said. Thanks for trying to help.

[rocktivity]

5. McCauliffe ran the DNC in 2003. He's not running it now.

:boring:
rocknation

[LaurenG]

8. Right - but he was saying that that could be a way to count them.

My point was if he was happy with that (not that it will even happen) How would 50% change anything?

[rock]

18. Ohioblues this is not directed at you but at Terry

"that could be a way to count them" - actually that's a way not to count them.

[INdemo]

24. He was DNC Chairman in 2004 and it is clear to me now why

(can't blame it on Kerry)....... why the DNC did not fight like hell to insure all votes were counted in OHIO.....he was paving the way for Hillary to run back in 2004...obviously had John Kerry received the proper votes in Ohio, Hillary's ambitions for 2008 would be crushed.

[Overseas]

36. And did he encourage the lame "Let's be Positive" convention in 2004?

That whole "showing up for duty" stupid positive convention was really disgustingly lame. In the midst of the worst administration in U.S. history, in a war that had been proven to be instituted on false premises, with mothers needing to hold bake sales to buy armor for our own soldiers-- some idiots decided we should have a lovely romantic "showing up for duty" campaign theme. Boy was that lame! That dumb dumb dumb move helped make the vote margins small enough to steal. Then the "showing up for duty" guy DUCKS OUT before 48 hours have even passed !! Even though voting lines were long and lots of "provisional" ballots had yet to be counted. Even though we knew from on the scene reports that Republicans were up to their usual multiple methods of "invalidating" votes. And I am still very angry at Kerry for conceding so early. Running away too soon is not what I call showing up for duty. Showing up for duty is hanging on even at the risk of some name-calling, until all the votes have been counted and re-counted.

[K Gardner]

27. Yes, back in 2003 he threatened to halve the delegates if MI voted early.

[bigbrother05]

41. The 50 % reduction was the rule until Ickes and friends went for no votes

At the rules committee before the campaign. They were trying to force a bigger Super Tues and now it's bit 'em on the ass. The MI/FL fiasco is only the first many times they've tried to move the goal posts.

[wellstone dem]

3. That is what I heard, that if the proposal was to

cut the value of the Michigan delegates in half, "we would not be having this conversation."

[gaiilonfong]

4. Terry DLC TROLL was squirming

I can't wait till the megalomaniac ClintonS lose so we don't have to see these DLC losers anymore

[Eurobabe]

10. McAwful took that course Parsing Words 101

taught by Bill Clinton

[Eurobabe]

6. He is pathetic. Lives in parallel universe n/t

[stellanoir]

7. He was spinning like crazy prior to that about how all of the votes

from both states should be counted and then Russart got him to say that he'd be willing to settle on 50% of the votes being counted if he had to.

He's coming up on Face the Nation now. Ughhh

:hi:

[LaurenG]

11. Thank you. I appreciate the clarification.

:hi:

[Tippy]

9. McAuliff is now on FTN just started

[C_U_L8R]

12. He's high

absolutely intoxicated on his own hype.

McAuliffe makes Hillary look even sillier (if that's possible)

[TahitiNut]

13. If McAuliffe came to my front door, I'd throw him off my property.

I've dealt with aluminum siding salesmen and used car salesmen with more integrity. He's a facile liar.

[LaurenG]

14. LOL

:rofl: He is an expert "spinner".

[Eurobabe]

15. He has Clintonitis

That disease is listed in the DSM-IV under denial disorders.

[FARAFIELD]

17. McAulliffe "Wolverines Make good housepets"

heard right before break. I think.

[Stinky The Clown]

19. "itis" usually means an inflamation of some sort

Clintonitis, then, would be an inflammation of the Clinton.

The result, however, would be the same.

The English suffix -itis is typically used to denote an inflammation.

The suffix is also used colloquially to denote any type of disease, including imagined disease such as senioritis<1>, or real injuries like wiiitis<2>, even if the supposed disease does not involve an infection.

:hi:

[TahitiNut]

22. It's akin to colitis, I think.

Far too much time engaged in do-it-yourself colonoscopies.

[cliffordu]

34. BWAHHHHAAHAHAHHA

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Nice!!

[Eurobabe]

39. He's got inflammation of the 'Clinton' alright

what a tool. McAwful.

[NJmaverick]

16. If they split the vote 50/50 it just moves Obama closer to the finish line and victory

[flpoljunkie]

20. McAuliffe means 50% of the total delegates with 55% going to Hillary, 40% Uncommitted to Obama

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#MI

Michigan has 157 delegates. Cut this in half and you get 78.5 delegates. Hillary would receive 55% of this 78.5 which is 43 delegates to Obama's 31 delegates as the "Uncommitted" vote percentage of 40%.

But, as I posted yesterday, the Clinton camp's game is to try and get the delegate count gap to around 100 delegates, and get close or win the popular vote, so they can take the fight all the way to the convention.

This Michigan delegate apportioning would help in that quixotic quest. Altho, I do wonder if Hillary or Bill would agree with McAuliffe on his suggestion today on Meet the Press.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5919019&mesg_id=5919019

[NJmaverick]

21. Since Hillary ran unopposed there is no way that they can determine that she deserves 55% of that

half. More dishonesty from camp clinton

[grantcart]

40. yup Russert laid a trap for him and he fell right in

Obama has offered Clinton 60% of the delegates and she turned that down.


He got caught and he knew it.

I was disappointed that Russert didn't quote his 90% of the territory line lol

[merh]

23. Isn't that the option that the Clinton campaign rejected?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080509/NATION/63422098/1002

Do they know what they want?

Are they just using the "michigan votes" as an excuse to stay in and keep trying to raise funds to pay off campaign debts?

[Tatiana]

35. It appears that the Clintons don't want Obama to receive ANY delegates out of MI.

I've heard the insane spin that he took his name off the ballot, therefore no one voted for him.

[Doityourself]

45. That's exactly their position, that he get none. I heard Wolfson say on Tweetys' show

[my3boyz]

25. So is he saying the popular vote should stand too? Would those be included in the official totals? n

[4themind]

38. Well the popular vote is an official metric

in the sense that it ofter decides who wins a chunk of delegates set aside for winning the state as a whole (in conjunction with delegates allocated by district) Any other usage of the total is only official in so much that a superdelegate may factor that in when deciding who to vote for. Either way it's delegates, pledged or super dels that decide the nomination

[Vinca]

26. Between McAuliffe and Wolfson on the morning shows,

they sound like candidates for a rubber room. Now it's do or die in West Virginia - now, bar none, the most important contest to win in this entire primary season - according to Clinton's campaign. Oregon and the rest . . . ahhhhh, not so much. If she can win West Virginia . . . no doubt about it . . . she can win the nomination. Or so they say.

[yourguide]

28. Did you guys catch Terry suggest that

Russerts father was up in heaven with his own dad looking down on the both of them having a scotch? He must have felt like an ass when Russet said "My father's in Buffalo"

:rofl:

[LaurenG]

29. I didn't see that!

Whoops! :rofl:

[my3boyz]

31. I know!! HAHAHAHAHAHA I was laughing so hard! LOL

[yourguide]

33. Video here on huffpo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/11/mcauliffe-tells-russert-t_n_101189.html

And he said Barclounger not Buffalo.

[K Gardner]

37. I saw that !! Unsuccessful Pander !

[Scooter24]

30. They are wanting the popular vote numbers...

that is the only card she has left to play. If MI and FL are in play, she can use those numbers with her wins in KY and WV and then try and get Superdelegate's into her camp.

Odds are greatly against her but this seems to be the last strategy she has left.

[my3boyz]

32. Oh and don't forget Puerto Rico!!! They are a part of her pop vote argument too. nt

[lojasmo]

42. Nope. Q: Would you accept that (50% of delegates seated)

A: "We certainly might."

[high density]

43. They love that idea of Obama getting zero delegates out of MI

The thought that the Clinton campaign sees MI as a "fair" election makes me wonder what sort of Orwellian Bushco labeling we'd get from them if this administration were in office.

[barack the house]

44. Well at least at 50/50 they were seated but still penalised with no race allowed.