All this talk that the race is over is meant to suppress the vote, and demoralize voters

[2rth2pwr]

This is a coordinated campaign to keep Clinton voters from going to the polls, to keep the numbers down through an underhanded attempt at disenfranchising millions of

voters. This campaign has gone on for over 2 years, there are only 3 weeks left. Why won't the Obama supporters let these people's voice be heard?

Back in the bad old days, when Southern whites used every imaginable form of chicanery to prevent blacks from voting we, as Democrats, stood together

and fought back against these terrorizing tactics.



Where are the people who will be fighting for the rights of voters in W.Virginia, Puerto Rico, Kentucky etc..etc..?

[boobooday]

1. You forgot Oregon

I don't see Obama supporters suppressing any votes. On the contrary, he has generated many new voters.

[nomorewhopper]

all of this talk about race only serves john mccain

hillary is telling whites that obama isn't their guy.

since this is now an obama v mccain election, what other avenue do the whites have?

[rug]

2. I heard the Democratic Party would be destroyed in the next three weeks if they vote.

Bu then I've been hearing that for three months.

[dorktv]

56. a 216 year old party is not going to die any time soon.

[bowens43]

3. OMG. No, it isn't.

There is no possible scenario under which Hillary can win. She could win ALL of the remaining contests by HUGE margins and it still wouldn't be enough.
It's over because Hillary didn't win. It's over because Hillary, despite her huge advantages, was rejected by the majotity of Democrats.

you hillary people really have lost your minds. Get help, it's available.

[RichardRay]

4. Actually, it isn't, but I know you don't believe that.

It's not so, however, it really isn't. If you could state an evidence procedure by which I could convince you that it's not so I'd try to meet it. I'm not certain I could, but I'd try. Short of that, all I have is the single, simple statement.

That's not true.

[AllentownJake]

5. Yep

Big conspiracy involving every channel except Fox News.

Yawn

[The Doctor.]

48. At least we can rely on Faux News to play fair with her.

As for the OP...

[patrice]

6. Uh . . . IN W.Virginia, Puerto Rico, Kentucky etc., etc.. nt

[McCamy Taylor]

7. That is why all these RW journalists and TV news guys keep saying it.

Plus, they are hoping to keep people from sending Clinton money. They used the same trick after Iowa to keep people from sending Edwards money. I suspect that the stunt in Indiana---withholding all those votes---was designed to let the news guys say that Obama might have won the state so that Clinton would not get any donations that night, too.

All of a sudden, the RNC is desperate to end the race. Wonder why?

[WillyT]

8. New To Politics, Eh ???

:shrug:

[patrice]

9. P.S. How very elitist authoritarian and top->down of you. nt

[yourguide]

10. DUzy!!!

Good one!

:rofl:

[still_one]

11. Where did Obama say this?

[2rth2pwr]

16. Where did you see that I said that he did?

[BlooInBloo]

12. Odd that the Clinton campaign is pursuing that line then....

Worst run campaign EVER.

[cliffordu]

13. I was just wondering why the Obama campaign keeps

disenfranchising the millions of Wishful Thinkers out there in the land.

These Wishful Thinkers are the salt of the earth, and although they do not understand the nominating process in the "Democrat" party very well they DO wish for a simpler time. A time when the goalposts could be moved at will to fit whatever scenario the talking heads could conjure to make it LOOK like their candidate has a chance to pull a nomination out of her pantsuit.

But Obama is a hater, so he keeps dashing the hopes of the simple Wishful Thinkers everywhere....

[flor de jasmim]

25. good one, cliffordu!

[cliffordu]

37. Aw, shucks, thanks.

:hi:

[dana_b]

26. right. He said it yesterday, right?!

"Let's stop the primaries. I am the Democratic nominee, we all know it. Clinton should just crawl off in some hole. I mean, who cares about Oregon, SD, KY, W.Virginia and Puerto Rico anyway, right? Puerto Rico?? I mean jeez.... they aren't even one of the 57 states!!" ;)

Sorry, just being silly. Afterall, it is still the "silly season".

[wileedog]

14. Everything being said now would have been said in February

If it were anyone but a Clinton running. Hey kudos to her she stretched it this far, she showed a lot of toughness throughout, but reality is what it is and has been for a while.

Nobody is "suppressing the vote" because the results don't matter. There is no way she gets the overwhelming landslides she needs to even be competitive.

Its been a thrilling, exhausting, historic and yes even aggravating Primary, and I think most of us are just anxious to turn our sites off fellow Democrats and on to McCain and the GE.

[CreekDog]

15. you have been demoralizing us Obama supporters several times daily on this forum

please don't complain about demoralizing anybody unless you plan to turn over a new leaf.

[Yael]

17. Some of us are just tired of her relentless RW attacks on our nominee...

[shadowknows69]

18. Nobody is listening to you lunatics anymore

Why do you bother?

[2rth2pwr]

20. Did you say something?

[DarienComp]

19. "It'll be over by February 5th." -Hillary Clinton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saBU6ux0hsQ

[Wetzelbill]

33. the inevitability argument

She tried to get all the SD's to commit all last summer and fall, so that she could win a primary or two and call it a day. She was routed 11 in a row in February because the Clinton campaign didn't expect to be in a race anymore, they didn't really have operations going in those states. She expected this to be decided by a handful of states and then voting to be moot after that, and to be fair, all presidential candidates hope for that, it's how the process goes. That isn't some grand scheme to disenfranchise voters in Montana.

[rhett o rick]

21. "A coordinated campaign"? How sad. This happens every primary. Most of the time

the decision is made before the last voters get to vote. I don't like it but it has been happening long before Obama.

The voters in all those states are still free to vote, even though it is not possible (legally) for the decision to change.

Sorry if we want to get on to defeating John McShame. That is the number one objective, isn't it?

[dorktv]

57. it is perfectly plausable and LEGAL for the nominee to change.

Do I expect it? no because that would be a bit startling however it could happen that something happens that causes the Supers drop Senator Obama.

[rhett o rick]

61. Yes and pig one day mite fly. Plez let's turn our attention to defeating McShame. Plez. nm

[DemGa]

22. Because WV and KY don't count

:sarcasm:

[AllentownJake]

23. Neither do

any states Obama won :rofl:

You guys started that state doesn't count crap.

[JeanGrey]

24. Because it IS OVER.

[2rth2pwr]

28. It's not over until someone receives the required delegates, you can look it up.

Try google.

[cd3dem]

31. Truthfully, BO cannot win without the votes from the supers as well!

so in reality, this nomination is not over until the convention and one person receives the votes needed... BO does not have it!

Supers should vote for the person they believe would be the best candidate in the GE and the best candidate to become president and serve!

[Wetzelbill]

35. It's over

Try reality.

She has to win an impossible number in the remaining states, and somehow get a mass flock of SDs to go her way. Honestly, it's borderline crazy talk to insist that she can do something that she cannot do, it's like Bush insisting a Jeffersonian Democracy can still be instituted in Iraq. Yeah, with a miracle it could, and with a miracle she could win. Maybe Obama will murder somebody or be caught making a porno in the next few months, but right now, he still wins South Dakota, Montana and Oregon, he cannot be caught in pledged delegates and he has more superdelegates. It's like it's the last minute of a basketball game and one team is down by 30 points and you're saying that the team can still catch up. Yeah, technically it's not over until it's over, but sometimes it's actually over. This race, well, it's over.

[2rth2pwr]

41. If you are done with the primary, why don't you go post in GD or the lounge?

[Wetzelbill]

43. I do

I post everywhere. But the fact of the matter is, she's beat. It doesn't matter where I post, that's just that. And I'm not even an Obama supporter either. It's simple. She can't catch him. That's it.

[2rth2pwr]

52. Then why doesn't he have the nomination?

[Wetzelbill]

59. the same reason that team up by 30 in the last minute

hasn't officially won the game yet. The same reason Michael Jordan isn't in the Hall of Fame yet. The same reason John Kerry and Al Gore didn't have the nomination at this time in 2000 and 2004. The process has to play out a little more, but when you have an insurmountable lead, it's a formality. Now I suppose Barack might murder a midget in the next month and the SDs will all switch his way, but that isn't likely. He won the pledged delegates already, and he's ahead in SDs. He only has to get one-third out of the remaining ones to officially get it. But why doesn't he have it? The convention hasn't been held yet. But for all intents and purposes, yeah, he has it.

You might want to ask yourself, just how the hell will she get it? She has no road barring something catastrophic happening to Obama. No road at all. Now do you wish for that to happen to him? I'd like to think you don't, because it would be pretty sick.

[likesmountains 52]

60. Thank you..that's a great analogy...

[JeanGrey]

65. Try math. It works better than google.

[rock]

27. Yep. n/t

[cd3dem]

29. Exactly! As well the supression of votes in FL and MI all these months...

They have done everything to make Clinton look like a loser and BO as inevitiable... this campaign has been about the glorification of Obama and his supporters willingness to do anything to have him be handed the endorsement! This however, will bite him in the GE!

[Yael]

32. "Handed the endorsement"

The man has been campaigning 24/7 for months now. He isn't sitting in a La-Z-Boy sipping tea and waiting for a coronation. Too many RW attacks from Camp Clinton to continually defend himself against.

I am glad his family got to join him in Indiana last week. He was probably shocked to see how tall the girls have gotten.

[Wetzelbill]

30. it is over that's not a conspiracy

It's just that she can't win. Barring Obama being caught in bed with a murdered gay midget or something. Like four years ago when Kerry had it wrapped up early on, it wasn't voter suppression because half of the states didn't vote yet. It was over because it was over. People will still get to vote, go to the polls vote for who you want. In the Republican campaign, McCain is the presumptive nominee, but they still hold primaries. It's not like they disappear. And Romney and Huckabee and Ron Paul still get up to 5-10 percent of the votes there. The idea is that Obama has won, and he has. so she should back off and allow the race to run it's natural course, which is to allow the presumptive nominee to focus on the general election. At this point, Clinton primary voters in the remaining states couldn't change a thing, so yeah the race is over. It's actually been over for over two months now, she just stayed in on a faint hope of catching him. She had her shot, she couldn't do it and he has to focus on John McCain now. Plus the DNC has been depleted because of this, the RNC, despite all Dem advantages has more money because this primary has been unnecessarily prolonged. Regardless though, people's voice will be heard, they can go vote, but the race is over and she should allow him to move on because it serves no purpose except John McCain's.

[SaveAmerica]

34. How did you find out that we've been kidnapping Hillary's supporters to keep them from voting?

[lojasmo]

36. It is more likely to supress Obama's vote totals.

You don't hear me yowling about it, though.

Bottom line is, it's the truth. The race is over. Let's have the rest of the contests, though. I'm not for ending it now. The race is over, though. Get used to it.

[jenmito]

38. And Hillary's attacks on Obama are meant to INCREASE turnout? How 'bout the misleading

mailers telling voters it's too late to vote in the primary?

[NorthCarolina]

39. Actually, I think it's a simple matter of numbers now

and "facts" should not be confused with suppression of the vote, at least in my way of thinking. Unless there is some "agenda" to the conflation.

[Window]

40. As far as I am concerned, Hillary should stay in as long as she wants to,even though,

for all practical reasons, it is all but over.

This has been a long, hard and bitterly fought primary and people are just anxious to move on to McWar.

[AZSlacker]

42. That damn vast left wing conspiracy

Is there no stopping it?

[The Doctor.]

49. Wow, it must suck to be a victim of BOTH

the VLWC and the VRWC!!!

Her martyrdom will be legendary.

[iamthebandfanman]

44. no its not, its the truth.

sorry reality is something you have a hard time grasping.

that being said, people are free to do what they want...
but she has infact already lost.. but hey if u like her n wanna give her kudos with ur vote, by all means do it...

[Lerkfish]

45. you forgot Poland.

[The Doctor.]

47. Still funny!

:D

[The Doctor.]

46. Oh Poor Victimized Hillary Clinton!!

Seriously, pick a footing;

a) Strong, tough-as-nails fighter.

b) Poor victim of institutional misogyny.

c) Welcome politics, if you can't take the heat and all...

[Usrename]

50. Why stop when there is more damage that can still be done?

There are still a lot more resources that we can waste on this farce, while she can no longer even come close to winning.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

51. you are right.

[Danger Mouse]

53. No mention of Oregon and Montana, only states which Clinton is likely to win?

Bwahaha, you're so transparent... :rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

55. They're full of elitist egghead blacks.

[Occam Bandage]

54. The race is over. They can vote, of course, but it's over.

[saltpoint]

58. Nah, it ain't. It's the logical consequence of a hotly-contested primary

season that is in its last weeks. West Virginia on Tuesday, Kentucky & Oregon a week later, Montana and South Dakota on the 3rd of June, and Puerto Rico to close it out on the 7th of June.

It used to be that the primary season for California would end the first week of June. California went way earlier this time, chose Clinton, but now is polling for Obama.

For pundits or columnists or bloggers to say, "Looks like it's about over to me," is a natural response to the fact that the race is in fact about over -- on the calendar and in the turn of the river.

[Freedom Train]

62. K&R

n/t

[grantcart]

63. vote your heart out you are still in a huckabee fix

If Obama doesn't pick up another SD it is impossible for Hillary to get the nominaton

but they keep on coming.

Every state (except WV) that you run the campaign in Obama opens up offices and picks up thousands of volunteers and contributors while Hillary goes deeper in debt.

She is quickly running her out of consideration for VP she might as well keep on going but May 21st will be a horrible day for her.

You might want to take her advice. She said at the NY fund raiser "If you don't like what your hearing about the race and the campaign just turn off the TV".

[democracy1st]

64. Your name should be 2rth2BS because you keep starting sh...

[americanstranger]

66. Who's stopping anyone from doing anything?

As far as I know, the primaries are still taking place.

Do you get off on being a victim? All of your posts have this whiff of self-pity.

- as