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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:20 PM
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So, You're Optimistic About the General Election
Over the past several years, I began to realize just how conservative this country had become. Nothing confirmed that belief more than when Bush was elected to his second term. It was a frightening realization that America wasn't nearly as progressive as I had hoped.

I've been debating with many here concerning the electability of both Ms. Clinton and Mr. Obama in the GE. Neither of these remaining candidates were at the top of my list. In fact, I felt (as I do today) that they are political poison in our efforts to regain the WH. I don't have a dog in this fight other than seeing a Dem in the Oval Office. I just don't think that our chances have been enhanced over the past several months.

So, I received the following email from a Republican who is obviously going to support John McCain. You should read it with an unfiltered eye and reconsider what you believe our chances are. I honestly believe that the author of this email is more typical than they are rare. Enjoy.

-P

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A citizen endorses a candidate

After long and serious thought, I have decided to endorse Senator John
McCain for President. I have always voted for the person and have not voted for
anyone because some political party was telling me who I should vote for.

We all know the choices by now and, that said, I do believe that the
process of selecting a chief executive is deeply flawed. The words "money" and
"special interests" come to mind, among many others.

Here's the way I see it:

Barack Obama, you are a fine public speaker. You are also an extremely
liberal Senator from the State of Illinois , which has a long and rich history
of political corruption of the first magnitude. You are indeed a child of that
system.

You have finally insulted my intelligence far beyond my capacity to
tolerate your insults. It has nothing at all to do with your skin color. As a
matter of fact, it would be so COOL to finally have an African-American for
President. What a great statement that would be to the entire world that
we are indeed the greatest country on earth!

But, unfortunately, General Colin Powell is not running, and YOU are NOT
the man for this job!

Barack, you want me to believe that you have never heard the sermons of
your own pastor, the Right Reverend "God Damn America" Jeremiah Wright. It is a
matter of record that this has been your church for over 20 years. It is a
matter of record that you were married there by this very pastor, and that your
children were baptized there.

The good Reverend saw fit to visit Khadafy in Libya with you and to give a
lifetime achievement award to Louis Farrakhan, of all people.

We have all now seen excerpts of his sermons all over the airwaves by now.
And you have publicly stated that this man IS your "spiritual mentor".

BUT, your pastor is NOT the reason I am NOT voting for you. His words were
disturbing enough, but it is your own HUGE church congregation, seen jumping,
hooting and howling to his words in the background that disturb me the most. And
please don't tell me you attended church there and never once heard a
"discouraging word" in the 20 years you attended there. Don't tell me, that in
addition to the good reverend, that you are now not having anything to do
with all those other people seen hooting and howling out in the audience in the
background of his fiery tirades.

Even Oprah Winfrey got disgusted and walked out. I am no Oprah fan, but
still she did the right thing.

Now YOU look me in the eye and ask me to believe that you never heard such
language in all the years you attended there! This is like me telling you that I
attended dozens of Klan rallies and never once heard the "N" word. Yep. And Bill
Clinton "did not inhale".

Yes, Mr. Obama, we all have friends who have said stupid things that
embarrassed us, but NOW you have asked me to believe something that is so
incredibly stupid that you are telling me that I am just stupid enough to
believe you. THAT is the main reason that I will never vote for you. I am
deeply sorry, that in a county teeming with enormously talented African
Americans who would make a good President, that the political system has chosen
YOU. You are a pathetic and plastic excuse for an American, who will not even
salute the Flag during the Pledge of Allegiance. God forbid you ever get near
the Oval Office.

Now, did I mention Bill Clinton?

AH YES ! This brings us to MRS. WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON, who this
candidate really is, in spite of all the other names she may care to call
herself. This "feminist" piece of work of course would like to be referred to as
MS. and we all know who wears the pant suit in that family.

MS. Clinton, it is just as depressing to realize that there are dozens of
women who would also make great Presidents. But, fortunately, the horrible state
of the selection process has selected YOU Ms. Clinton, I'm sorry, but you could
not tell the truth if we waterboarded you!

Still you play the role of the "embarrassed but dignified noble wife". What
utter malarky! I am not voting for you for a world of reasons, but the main one
is the same as my not voting for Senator Obama. You persistently insult my
intelligence. It COULD be conceivably possible that you did not know about
Monica Lewinsky, extremely remote, but possible if we stretch our imaginations

a bit. But you turn around and then ask me to believe that you also did not
know about Paula Jones and the legion of other women who were chewed up and spit
out by your lecherous excuse for a husband. Puleese turn off this broken
record!!!

But let's set aside your hubby's flagrant peccadilloes. The real reason I
will never vote for you is that I don't think the country can survive EIGHT MORE
YEARS of Whitewater, Travelgate, Filegate, Sandy Berger stuffing his socks with
classified intelligence, Janet Reno's goon squad, and the myriad other
corruptions that seem to stick to you. So our former President can't keep his
zipper closed, but the REAL issue is that he committed perjury under oath
when he lied about it and the pathetically-attempted cover-up that followed.

Like you, he is totally incapable of telling the truth. He could not do it
if you tortured him, and in voting for you, we would get the BOTH of you, all
over again. The same folks who could have taken out Osama Bin Laden over 3,000
dead Americans ago !

And please stop telling me that you have "8 years of experience" to lead
us. You were just the first lady already, not the Commander in Chief. Jeez ! The
sum of your "experience" is that of the most worrisome and incompetent meddling
in the history of the White House. You even cursed your pitiful staff and the
Secret Service agents who were and still are unfortunately charged with risking
their lives to protect you and all at the expense of other people who have to
work for a living.

Your single pathetic platform is to finance the illegal drugs, alcoholism
and bad habits of the very lowest and most irresponsible freeloaders in America
and to then "garnish the wages" (your own words) of every law-abiding and
hard-working American to pay for it. This disaster you refer to as "Universal
Health Care". Where have you been the last 30 years ? Did you not see that
socialism is a failure wherever it has been tried ? Did you not notice that the
Soviet Union has collapsed since it gave no reward to those who worked the
hardest for the fruits of their own labors to pay for those who would not ??

It is interesting to see all the dead bodies that you and your hubby have
left in your wake. Suicides, mysterious deaths, cover-ups that make Richard
Nixon look like a rank amateur. The utter contempt and unbelievable arrogance of
some of your strongest supporters, most notably the recently resigned and
disgraced Governor Eliot Spitzer, the epitome of hypocritical and malevolent
arrogance gone wild, one of your most ardent, wealthy and powerful political
supporters. A man the news media refuses to admit IS a "super delegate" in your
own political machine, a fine example of your own "adopted" state of New York .
No wonder you moved there to run for Senator! The environment there is perfect
for you!

Yes, I would vote for a woman, but I will NOT vote for YOU!

Which leaves us with Senator John McCain.

John, you are a flawed man. You are a bit old, a bit looney, and you have a
notoriously bad temper. This perfectly qualifies you, in my humble opinion, to
lead us for the next eight years. I WANT your trembling hand on the nuclear
button.

Think about it.

We have Kim Jong IL, Chavez and Ahmadenijad all running around like
lunatics, threatening America and threatening to plunge the world into nuclear
Armageddon. We have Putin and the Chinese blustering and rattling their sabres
at us. I want John McCain in the Oval Office and I want him to be really pissed
off at all these other nut jobs around the planet.

John, once you are elected, I want you to go into the Oval Office and throw
one of your perfect FITS Jump up and down and throw something through a plate
glass window. Rip the drapes down and foam at the mouth a bit And I want the
whole thing on camera so that Ahmadinejad can see it. I want ALL of these "world
leaders" to lay awake at night and to break out in a cold sweat every
time they think of messing with the United States of America.

I want the nuclear button sitting right next to the alarm clock on your night stand. I want
pictures of this to be sent to Iran, Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, Libya,
Syria, Pakistan, and those others in the sheets, the Saudis.

On the domestic front, poor John did try and reach across the aisle to the
opposition in a desperate effort to compromise and to get the Congress to do
something. You may not agree with his efforts, but at least he TRIED. For all
his efforts, all he got handed to him was his head in a basket. The liberals are
pissed at him and the conservatives are pissed at him. Just my kinda guy.

I predict that John will select Senator Joe Lieberman as his running mate.
Good choice. I want a JEW whose memory of the Holocaust is still fresh in his
mind and who is royally pissed off at all of these towel-headed morons in the
Middle East to be the next in line if something should happen to John Shalom,
Vice President Joe One heartbeat from the Oval Office.

Finally. John McCain knows on a most personal level what it is to suffer
horrible torture for years and to see others die, right in front of you, for
their love of America . When you ask him about it, he will tell you that what he
did was "nothing special". Even more incredibly, he states that ANY American who
truly loves his country would do exactly the same as he did in that situation.
You and I will have a hard time believing that, but the real point is that John
McCain believes that about the "average American", and that, dear friends and
neighbors, is why I will cast my one poor ballot on election day for John McCain
-- warts and all.

God Bless America

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:26 PM
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1. I dare him to pick Lieberman. I dare him.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:27 PM
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2. the problem with the McCain "button" argument is that...
its premise is that our threats are all from sovereign nations that want to nuke us or hurt us.

nevermind that our threats are primarily from non-sovereigns that actively want to start a war, for us to overreact, etc. etc.

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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:28 PM
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3. Yes I am.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:30 PM
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4. Rush dittohead; Hannity for brains. Extreme nut - about 20% like this.
The guy's a racist nutcase ("His words were disturbing enough, but it is your own HUGE church congregation, seen jumping, hooting and howling to his words in the background that disturb me the most.") and a paranoid spewer of right-wing fantasies ("It is interesting to see all the dead bodies that you and your hubby have left in your wake.").

He's a hater with more than one screw loose ("John, you are a flawed man. You are a bit old, a bit looney, and you have a notoriously bad temper. This perfectly qualifies you, in my humble opinion, to lead us for the next eight years. I WANT your trembling hand on the nuclear button.")

He's typical of a type, all right, but thank God he's in a marginalized minority. He represents the worst of this country, and that's not going to cut it this year.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:32 PM
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5. So a republican writes a letter
"But, unfortunately, General Colin Powell is not running, and YOU are NOT
the man for this job!"

I bet this guy supports the war with Iraq too.

"John, once you are elected, I want you to go into the Oval Office and throw
one of your perfect FITS Jump up and down and throw something through a plate
glass window. Rip the drapes down and foam at the mouth a bit And I want the
whole thing on camera so that Ahmadinejad can see it. I want ALL of these "world
leaders" to lay awake at night and to break out in a cold sweat every
time they think of messing with the United States of America."

We already had an unstable President for 8 years...the world isn't any more frightened of us. They are less frightened.

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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:34 PM
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7. Hey, come on ... Republicans writing letters is a big deal
What do you think keeps Crayola in business?
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:33 PM
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6. LOL! I love this bit "who is royally pissed off at all of these towel-headed morons "
It really makes this part ring true: "It has nothing at all to do with your skin color."

:eyes:

Yeah, okay.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:35 PM
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8. Hehe! Who wrote this John McCain or one of his staffers?
Let the games begin. It's time for Obama to start running against McCain, not Clinton.
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:37 PM
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9. "Towel-headed morons in the Middle East" / "John Shalom"
Your Republican friend sounds like an asshole.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:42 PM
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10. He is an asshole...
Unfortunately, I think is is pretty typical of those on the right.

-P
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:44 PM
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11. That's all well and good, but I remain extremely optimistic about the GE
Edited on Sun May-11-08 01:53 PM by Shine
I'm envisioning a landslide for Obama. Seriously. :toast:

Yes, there will definitely be those die-hard conservatives that will vote for McCain no matter what, but on the whole, I truly believe more people in this country WANT CHANGE and will vote for it in the fall.

I think the Repubs are scared shitless of Obama. They are floundering right now and the polls are showing it. There was a just a piece yesterday on Politico speaking to this fact.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10238.html

Plus, the Obama Camp is being brilliant with their GOTV strategy by infusing the political terrain with newly registered and enthusiastic voters. If the unprecedented numbers of voters who are coming to the primaries are any indication, this coming fall will be very interesting. They are completely changing the lay of the land.

McCain and the Repubs have plenty of problems of their own, not the least of which is fundraising. For every dollar McCain has raised, Obama has raised three. Big picture, the Repubs aren't getting the support they need to win.

All in all, despite Obama's flaws and imperfections, he is still the better choice for President when compared to McCain, who represents the same old Washington "politics as usual".

When you've got 70% of the country saying we're headed in the wrong direction and a current Repub president who has the lowest approval ratings of ANY modern president, combined with a Repub presidential nominee who basically is a continuation of that failed former presidents' policies....I mean, c'mon, it's a NO-BRAINER.

I'm tellin' ya, it's gonna be a landslide for Obama. Mark my words. :toast:




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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:44 PM
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12. Not at all. We gotta fight like our lives depend on it.
Because they do.

Start today: http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/actioncenter

Never Give Up.


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NaturalHigh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:47 PM
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13. No, I'm not the least bit optimistic about the general election.
Actually, I've given up even caring about it. While I will be out to vote on election day, I doubt very seriously that I will cast a vote for president. There simply isn't a candidate worth voting for, in my opinion. No matter who gets elected, we're not going to see any real change.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:59 PM
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15. I heartily disagree with your perspective. Change is definitely possible!
Like Gandhi says, we must BE the change we want to see in the world.

It starts with having a positive pespective, rather than one which keeps one mired in apathy and disempowerment.

Just sayin. :toast:



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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 01:48 PM
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14. Guess the writer "forgot" about the myriad of ethical issues McCain has n/t
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:19 PM
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16. Yes, indeed, I'm optimistic. Mostly because of the writer of this piece
and all like him. These folks are insane.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:22 PM
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17. Yes, that is a typical Republican.
of which there are fewer than there are Democrats.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 02:52 PM
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18. Someone is assuming Obama heard the snippets of Rev. Wright.
Real smart to base a choice on.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-11-08 05:41 PM
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19. LOL. No offense, but anonymous emails and such are a dime a dozen. A grain of salt seems apt here.
The sky is not falling.

It's not the end of the world as we know it, it's an election. We Dem's are poised to take the White House, build our majorities in both houses of Congress, federally, as well as State Houses and legislatures across the country.

:kick:
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:56 AM
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20. Nothing would make me happier...
I wish I could be as optimistic as you are.

-P
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:13 AM
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21. I _realistically_ think Obama will win
Edited on Mon May-12-08 01:13 AM by stevietheman
Several reasons:

1) Brilliant organizing

2) Extremely successful grassroots fund raising

3) Incredible articulation of issues and why this country needs to change

4) The Bush Regime is the most unpopular in modern history

5) Dean's 50-state strategy kicking in big-time, as Republican electoral power wilts


John Kerry, as good a guy he is, had none of these five things.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:19 AM
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22. McLoonyTunes doesn't have a chance because he has that big (R) on his ass.
Even Hillary could beat his butt.

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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 01:28 AM
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23. America's ready for this challenge
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iconicgnom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:02 AM
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24. too boring, stopped reading. But

Whatever one's view of politics, I don't think it's possible to read such a tract with "an unfiltered eye". I think politics is unfilterable by definition. That tract read like the the most boring crap.

I don't quite see that the US has become "more conservative" or "more liberal" in recent years. I think the better word is "more regressive", repealing the Geneva conventions, repealing the basic principle of the Magna Carta, the writ of habeas corpus. And so on. Those are neither "conservative" or "liberal" or "democratic socialist" or "progressive" moves, and, to be frank, it's hard to classify that movement in polite language and without using terminology like "fascist leaning" and so on.

To me the difference between the Democratic and Republican parties seems to be that some progressive Democratic party activists have been successful, lately, in purging trojan horses for that kind of politics from the Dem party, e.g. Lieberman (tho' the progressive movement goes far beyond that one case). If that kind of progressive activism didn't exist and wasn't successful, the two parties would be like tweedledum tweedledee playing a good/bad cop scenario over and over, as they have done for most of my life.

Yes, I'm optimistic for the US in the coming election. True, it totally boggled me when the US voted in George W. for the 2nd time - so I'm well prepared to be shocked again. If so, God help the US, God help the world. Nevertheless, I'm optimistic that Obama will win it, and that his leadership will deliver.
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Steely_Dan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:38 AM
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25. Well Thought Out Post
Edited on Mon May-12-08 09:39 AM by Steely_Dan
I do agree with the statement that "regressive" is probably more on target than simply stating that our country has become more conservative. However, I think it is safe to say that they walk hand-in-hand...or that this regressive movement has had more in common with conservative thinking than it has with more liberal thinking.

I simply was trying to state that we find ourselves taking a certain risk that we may not have had to face. I think it's about time that we had a person of color or a woman in the WH. However, with the rise of "regressiveness" over the past couple of decades, I do not hold out a lot of hope that America will embrace "presidential history."

Whatever you call it, the pendulum has swung to the right and we need to stop that swing before we could ever hope it will move back to the left. Clinton and Obama represent the belief that the pendulum can "magically" appear on the left. Only if that were true.

-P
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:58 AM
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26. Good for him! I think it is very important..
for people to choose the candidate and the party that most reflects their beliefs, and what they view as important.
BUT, your pastor is NOT the reason I am NOT voting for you. His words were
disturbing enough, but it is your own HUGE church congregation, seen jumping,
hooting and howling to his words in the background that disturb me the most.
And
please don't tell me you attended church there and never once heard a
"discouraging word" in the 20 years you attended there. Don't tell me, that in
addition to the good reverend, that you are now not having anything to do
with all those other people seen hooting and howling out in the audience in the
background of his fiery tirades.
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