"Democratic country keeps its distance from Obama"

[MattNC]

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2a50425a-1f86-11dd-9216-000077b07658,s01=1.html *sigh*

[Hawkeye-X]

1. I wouldn't worry about it.

Once WV learns a little bit more about Obama in the coming months, they'll figure out that this guy's better than a crazy old bat that keeps yelling "GET OFF MY LAWN"

[MadBadger]

2. Michelle's an Atheist email? Never heard of that one.

[anonymous171]

3. My question is: How can Hillary hold on to these people in the GE?

What's to stop them from believing an equally untrue GOP smear about Hillary (Hillary a socialist, lesbian, Communist, etc. )?

[gateley]

4. As .aggravating as it is -- that people are making their decisions

on "I heard that..." -- this is what we're up against. Not only in West VA, but there are millions of people with that mind set throughout the country.

[AllentownJake]

5. Can't fight Ignorance

[PassingFair]

6. Wow, that headline should read "COUNTY" not "COUNTRY"...n/t

[MattNC]

8. I noticed that

but it's what they had on their site. Who knows.

[BlooInBloo]

7. West Virginia people do tend to think that way, it's true..

[grasswire]

9. hmmm -- maybe it's about nationalism, not racism?

Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.

[anonymous171]

11. Are these people republicans or dixiecrats?

[Blondiegrrl]

47. We call them Republicrats. No joke.

West Virginia is composed primarily of conservative democrats.

Which would explain why they like Hillary, lol.

[Liberal Veteran]

16. Always be suspicious of "I'm not (insert bigotry here), but..."

It's right up there with "some of my best friends are (insert group here)".

[MattBaggins]

25. That's as old as dirt

When some says "I'm not a racist"; the next words out of their mouths will remove any doubt that they indeed are.

[JI7]

32. it IS racism, how hte fuck is Obama not full blooded American ?

Hillary isn't a veteran either, and neither was Bill.

[grasswire]

42. I suppose it's because his father was an African.

They didn't like Theresa Heinz Kerry because she had a cosmopolitan background, remember?

[JI7]

45. Kerry still won West Virginia in the Democratic Primary

what is disappointing about this race stuff is that it's coming from people in the party . but i shouldn't be too surprised.

[Tellurian]

51. Tell me you didn't know Obama's father isn't American?

[JI7]

55. what has that got to do with whether Obama is American or not

[Genevieve]

64. Stupid shit: -

you're born here: You're American.

[Danger Mouse]

68. So the fuck what if he isn't? i bet you just LOVE this kind of bigoted shit.

[Faygo Kid]

10. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.

“I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife’s an atheist,” said Mr Simpson, drawing on a cigarette outside the fire station in Williamson, a coalmining town of 3,400 people surrounded by lush wooded hillsides.

Hillary could, of course, do the right thing and condemn such misstatements unequivocally. She could talk about how this campaign MUST be about the issues, and that Sen. Obama is as full-blooded an American as any of her supporters.

She could demonstrate real leadership here. She could set the stage for an essential win for the Dems in the fall, and do it simply by telling the truth. Not supporting Obama or his views, but by simply telling the truth to her supporters about Obama.

I will be the first to stand up for her if she stands up for the truth, because this country is bigger than either candidate, and these lies can't go unanswered, and she is in a unique position to do something about it.

I expect that it won't happen, but I hold out hope against all the indications.

[Tellurian]

52. How can Hillary stand up for the Truth...when Obama won't release his Birth Certificate

for public scrutiny? Which does bring up the question of his citizenship.

[democrattotheend]

61. Has she released her birth certificate?

I did not know that was common practice. Have the other candidates all released their birth certificates while he has refused? And why would you question his citizenship?

[Name removed]

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[Greyskye]

65. In order to be a US Senator, you must be a US Citizen.

* at least 30 years old.

* a U.S. citizen for at least nine years at the time of election to the Senate.

* a resident of the state one is elected to represent in the Senate.

These are the only requirements for the office that are specified in Article I, Section 3 of the Constitution.

Case Closed.

[Danger Mouse]

67. if the bar for you were set any lower, it'd be under ground.

:puke:

[Hatchling]

69. I'm a Hillary supporter but OMG?!

Honestly!

Birth certificates are a matter of public record. He was born in Honolulu, Hawaii. Do you really think that if he weren't a native born citizen we would only be finding about it at this time? That the Democratic Party would even be allowing him to run as a Democrat?

That is the most ludicrous statement, I have heard in a long battle of ludicrous statements from both sides.

I'm hanging my head in shame that a fellow Hillary supporter would be putting out such nonsensical dis info.

[speedoo]

12. The worst thing anyone can say about a candidate: "I heard that....".

Because it means the person saying it is too fucking lazy to find out for themselves.

People like that are responsible for where we are today. Fucking imbeciles should not be allowed to vote.

[Liberal Veteran]

14. I actually think racism has much to do with it.

I've already told the story about my friend in Georgia who told me I shouldn't cast my caucus vote for Obama because he's a Muslim. After I pointed out, with proof, that he was Christian, I was told I shouldn't cast my ballot for him because he won't say the pledge. After disproving that one, it got down to "I just don't think America is ready for a black president".

Bottom line: it was about race.

People rationalize choices they make in order to feel better about those choices without always examining the true motivation of their choice.

That person in the article reminded me so much of that conversation, the first thing that popped into my head is the guy is smart enough to know that "race" is a bad reason, so he proffers cheap rationalizations that he probably knows are untrue, but it's better to be thought ignorant than a bigot.

[speedoo]

22. I agree with you 100%.

I have felt the same way for a long time.

[AZ Criminal JD]

23. Do you feel the same way about blacks who vote for Obama?

Purely because of the color of his skin and theirs?

[galaxy21]

28. identity politics is not racism

And it's not just because he's black. You think Alan Keyes would be getting 90% of the black vote if he were up against Hillary? Of course not. Obama's a very likable candidate anyway.

[AZ Criminal JD]

56. Of course it is because he is black.

Do you seriously think a white person who had two years of Senate experience would be getting 90+% of the black vote?

[Liberal Veteran]

33. The difference being that blacks aren't saying we won't vote for some white guy.

It is disingenuous to suggest that the experience of black americans and white americans are equal.

[Mz Pip]

39. And Obama

is giving interviews saying that Clinton is losing support in the Black community giving the implication that Blacks won't vote for her if she is the nominee.

[AZ Criminal JD]

57. They don't have to say it, they demonstrate it every election.

A white person, no matter what his/her qualities, could not get elected in the Chicago state senate district that Obama was from.

[OhioBlue]

37. Don't be ridiculous

Are the women that vote for Hillary sexist?

[speedoo]

41. Thanks.

For answering the same way I was about to.

[AZ Criminal JD]

58. They certainly are if the only reason they are voting for her is her gender.

[atufal1c]

44. Point 'em out to me.

Any black person that votes in this country isn't going to make it through a single election before having to decide which white person to vote for.

Statistically, every vote cast in a General Election by a black person in the history of America has been for a white person.

And many black people have voted for white people OVER black people. Ask some of these recent black Republican losers. Of course, identity politics happen with blacks, too--we're human, but it takes more than just black skin. And that becomes more true everyday.

Black people have PROVEN their willingness to vote for white people.

So would it be okay with you if we (along with millions of other people) voted for the black guy that represents our interests, for a change?

[Number23]

54. Luv it!

So would it be okay with you if we (along with millions of other people) voted for the black guy that represents our interests, for a change?

Maybe it's just me, but I've been noticing that a lot of black people have signed on to DU fairly recently. Maybe it's for the same reason that I recently signed on despite having read here forever - because this has been one of the most exciting political elections our country has ever had, or maybe there are some other reasons. Whatever it is, I've been LOVING the responses and glad for the extra viewpoints.

[AZ Criminal JD]

59. It is ok with me no matter what your reason is.

I am just not being hypocritical by trying to paint some votes as "racist" and other votes as "identity politics". I'll leave that to others.

[JI7]

46. blacks who vote for Obama have voted for white politicians for years

the same is not true of these white racists .

[AZ Criminal JD]

60. No, not true. I used to live in the south side district Obama represented.

The state senate district that Obama represented has always had a black representative ever since blacks obtained the majority population there. Some of them have been hopelessly corrupt but kept their jobs even when progressive whites ran against them.

[atufal1c]

63. Can't let this pass.

I live in Obama's district now. There is a pretty good population of blacks here. Are you surprised that black people can get elected even in black districts?

Care to make a list of districts and check racial makeup against representatives?

And let us assume that locally some black people did vote for some corrupt black (which, of course, makes it worse) politician over a progressive white one. Can you think of ANY reason other than race why maybe the arrival of this progressive white politician wouldn't lead to his landslide victory?

Because I could swear that progressive BLACK politician Barack Obama got his ass kicked when he went against Bobby Rush for U.S. Congressman.

So I'm thinking that sometimes there could maybe, possibly, be other factors.

[4themind]

13. "As far as I know"

Thanks for the added vote of confidence for 60 min. back then hill *sighs*

[keep_it_real]

15. He should have campaigned there and

Get WV ready for the GE. And in the GE spend some serious time there. Like in your face time, like, "I'm here and I'm gonna be your next president," time and "you're gonna vote for me cause I ain't no different than you."

[anonymous171]

18. Hopefully he can campaign well known local democrats there.

[4themind]

20. I thought I heard he was going to be there tommorrow

but I agree that face to face time, is the best way to help circumvent the misconceptions , although I wonder if even then the clinton campaign would spin it to say "He heavily invested in this state, if he doesn't win by +15 pts that'll be a HUGE upset !"

[bluestateguy]

17. There are some serious dumb dumbs in that article

I question how much we should cater a campaign to people who are that seriously stupid.

Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.

[Liberal Veteran]

19. Obviously the arugula and lattes have gone your head, Mr. Educated-Man!

:D

[woolldog]

21. The rest of the world has been watching this primary.

And they're not impressed....

[DarienComp]

24. I'm supposed to respect these honest hard-working Americans, huh?

They can kiss my elitist ass.

[galaxy21]

26. How can anyone still think he's a Muslim?

Where they on Mars when Pastorgate happened?

[thatsrightimirish]

27. almost heaven

[Liberal Veteran]

35. Almost.....

...if it weren't for the people.

[L0oniX]

29. What a crop of L I-ntellegent V bigot asscarrots.

:evilfrown:

[JI7]

30. these people are fucking bigoted assholes

it has nothing to do with connecting to people or being elitist or any of that shit.

just look at the comments made. he may be a muslim, atheist, not full blooded americans.

our party should not be dragged around by these assholes.

[Shine]

31. Shouldn't the title read "county", not "country"? It's obviously provincial bullshit

:eyes:

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. This says it all

Josh Fry, a 24-year-old ambulance driver from Williamson, insisted he was not racist but said he would feel more comfortable with Mr McCain, the 71-year-old Vietnam war hero, in the White House. “I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president,” he said.


Someone who is full bloodied american, aka WHITE.

By the way this is a dog whistle as well.

[high density]

36. What will this guy do when he finds out McCain was born in Panama?

:crazy:

[nadinbrzezinski]

40. He won't the people he listens to and talks to

will never hear of that little controversy either

Not that it is a real controversy

And in his racism, Arnie would be better than this (insert racial slur here), and I am sad to see it

I mean Arnie may have a strong accent, but he IS white

It worries me that after the next president is sworn in, we will see some ugly things from the supremacist groups

[jenmito]

38. It's shameful that the Clintons are taking advantage of these people's ignorance!

Let's see how hard they try to talk them into voting for OBAMA once he's the nominee. I doubt they'll try very hard...but if they do, if Bill Clinton goes back there in the GE telling them Obama's a patriotic, "full-blooded American," some of their heads may explode.

[Ice-9]

43. "I heard that Obama is a Muslim and his wife's an atheist."

I don't know what's sadder -- that this voter still believes that Senator Obama is a Muslim or that Obama's religion, even if it were the religion of Islam, would make one whit of difference as to how he would vote. It's like JFK having to convince people he wouldn't take orders from the Pope.

If I were Senator Clinton, I would issue some kind of statement saying, "For the love of God, my opponent is NOT a Muslim. But even if he were, please don't vote against him for that reason; there are plenty of reasons to support me other than the fact that I am a white Christian."

But that is why I will never be a politician.

[bluestateguy]

50. People that dumb should be legally disenfranchised

People that misinformed and stupid should be barred from voting. I have no problem with conservatives voting, but I do have a problem with people voting who believe in things that are objectively not true.

[Guaranteed]

66. It's not their fault. It's the schools and the media.

Sounds like a cliche, but it is.

[Blondiegrrl]

48. Cue the banjo music!

I hate my state. I really, really do.

[FrenchieCat]

49. I'm wondering.....

Why are we still talking about this shit?

Wouldn't it be better if some infiltrated over at that site and left their own comments?

If someone could just tell those fuckers that if what they are afraid pf by electing a brown man to the office is that Americans will be made unsafe in America and overseas to terrorists attacks; Iran's strength will grow in the ME; that our leadership will simply serve as recruiters for Al Qaeta; that our civil liberties will be taken away from us; that the United States' founders intent of a balance of power will be placed in jeopardy; that our constitution will be ignored; that we will be lied into a war; that our taxpayer's money will be be given away to others in foreign lands; that the price of the oil we buy will rise to astronomical height, that our Country will be bankrupted; and that those who are our friends will become our enemies, and that we will find ourselves indebted the Chinese Communist regime while our jobs are given to them and taken from us......

then tell them to wake the fuck up! It's already happened.....
with an All American good ol' White Boy at the helm.

That's why we desperately deserve Barack Obama; because we have had to live through the reign of George Bush. Barack is the anti-Bush, and that is what we need, at this time.

[Number23]

53. "I want someone who is a full-blooded American as president"

(From the article)

This sh*t is embarrassing. Just totally damn embarrassing.

[RBInMaine]

70. IGNORANT CRAP ! These folks need to do more research.