VoteBoth - a 527 group formed by Clinton supporters - feigns impartiality and pushes Clinton for VP

[powergirl]

This group is trying to look like they are not taking anyone's side - but the facts do not support this assertion.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/36639.html

"WASHINGTON — A group called VoteBoth has been leading the charge for Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to team up on the Democratic ticket. But the people behind it come from just one of those camps — Clinton's — and one of their goals may be keeping Clinton's White House prospects alive.

"The group's founder, Adam Parkhomenko, until recently worked as an assistant to Patti Solis Doyle, who was Clinton's campaign manager until February. Parkhomenko in 2003 founded the Draft Hillary for President Committee.

"VoteBoth's spokesman is Sam Arora. He's a law school student who in recent years worked for Clinton and for former Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe, Clinton's presidential campaign chairman. VoteBoth's Facebook page lists three others as administrators, all with Clinton connections."

(cut)

"VoteBoth first filed with the Federal Election Commission on April 8, two weeks before the Pennsylvania primary that Clinton won and that was considered a crucial window for her comeback. The group's original mission promoted the idea of Clinton as the nominee, with Obama as her running mate.

"On May 1, days after the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's latest divisive remarks and Obama's renouncement of his former pastor, VoteBoth amended its mission. It now would support a joint ticket in either order, so long as Clinton's name was on the ballot."





:wtf:

[MannyGoldstein]

1. There Is No End To This Nonsense

It's like Satan's cornucopia.

[MikeDJohn]

2. Never trust a Clinton-supporting website..........

There's NOTHING they will not do! As a matter of fact, I wonder if the "Muslim" rumor about Obama, and the various emails which went to 70,000,000 Americans were not created by Hillary's folks.

Anyone want to prove this is NOT the origin? I know, you can't prove a negative.

[tekisui]

3. No, thank you.

Just say no to Hillary.

[HooptieWagon]

4. The answer is no.

Somebody said " Why tie yourelf to an anchor instead of a kite?"

That said, I hope those idiots spend a lot of time and money and money in their futile effort... more wasted DLC funds is a good thing.

[Why Syzygy]

14. She is dead weight. Ruined by her own hand. Absolutely no need to reward her.

[BlooInBloo]

5. The basic problem is that Clinton-for-VP advocates are all stick and no carrot...

The stick - such as it is - is that "otherwise they'll vote for McCain or stay home".

Even if one was stupid enough to believe that there was any meat to this threat, one still needs a carrot. What state does Clinton's presence give Obama, that he wouldn't get otherwise. Name that state - without simply making shit up - and you've got a case.

Without naming such a state, you've got nothing but a threat from an 2nd-place impotent also-ran.


EDIT: Typo.

[MattBaggins]

6. Well as an Obama supporter

I have no problem with this. People are entitled to express their views and present those ideas to other people. The last few days have been flooded with calls for Clinton supporters to "fall in line" and support our Nominee. Well guess what folks; it works both ways. If the party wants Hillary on the ticket we will have to do just what we ask of them.

Hillary is not a monster.
She has worked tirelessly for Democratic causes for decades.
She is an incredibly smart and savvy politician.
She is more than qualified for either position.
She would be an asset to the ticket and to the Nation.

Yes we do have the problem of "3am" and "lifetime of experience". I will concede the point that the last few months will take some serious explaining and falls on the Hillary camp to set right. I know that at least a dozen people are going to tell me that she is "toxic" and is unelectable. Well we have to face the same thing with Obama. The color of his skin will be an issue and is just a reality we will have to overcome. Reverend Wright will be an issue whether we like it or not. If we are so adamant that people just set their doubts aside and work to overcome the negatives, and support Obama, then perhaps it isn't so far fetched to extend the same courtesy to Hillary Clinton.

We wish for others to accept that Obama is the choice for President. The choice of VP may not be ours. As is often pointed out; it is about the party and the country, not us.

[4themind]

11. If Obama's the nominee, it should be his choice imo

she can try and push it in, even on the convention floor, but she won't have the delegates to do so in my view(having a VP in a situation with THAT much acrimony could be just as damaging as not having her on the ticket at all, but trying to win them over to her). He's run a long, grueling and honorable race,against the most powerful machine in democratic politics, as our party's bearer, he should (IMO) be given the opportunity and respect(as affored to so many others) to pick his own ally for change. His demonstrable judgment is what has drawn me to him as a supporter and I will trust in his decision and move forward, I ask that all democrats do the same, if they do I think we will win, if not then perhaps we'll lose, but he's the one flying the plane, I trust in his ability to pick a suitable co-pilot to kick John McCain's ass, we'll see what happens.

[MattBaggins]

15. It may not be his choice

She has a large base of voters that believe in her and have supported her to the end. In the end it is not his choice; it is our choice, our VP. This is about our country and our party. She clearly has a large enough voice behind her to be given the nod for VP. We want her supporters to put this primary season behind us and accept Obama.

We need to do the same and that might mean acknowledging the fact that she ran a damn close second and has earned the nod for VP slot. She didn't get this close just by running. People did actually vote for her.

[Why Syzygy]

17. It is too risky having a DLC leader in high office.

I lean left. Hillary is unacceptable.

[MattBaggins]

23. Many feel that it is risky

having Obama as President. It isn't just about the DLC. Hillary has support from many Liberal and Progressive Democrats. The voice behind her isn't just from a bunch of Racist Corporatists. There are a lot of good people that believe in her and uniting with them is not unacceptable.

Her camp does need to come up with some mea culpas and plans to undo the whole "3am" crap. They need to bring Carville over and have him put 24/7 on that issue. Just do us a favor and keep McAuliffe. Really please keep him away and do not send him back to Syracuse. We don't want him here either.

[Boz]

7. Um they are not hard Pushing a VP for Clinton, They are backdooring to President

The focus of that site is a unity ticket and people have kept saying that it is suggesting VP for Clinton but there is only one reference to the order, all the imagery, subconscious sales hints, and even target demographic are actually implying she should be President and Obama VP.

From a web marketing standpoint this is classic brand switching pitch.

[powergirl]

24. Their organization began that way - wanting Obama for VP

But as facts began to take hold, they changed their "mission" to be "generally inclusive" and will want Clinton as VP if she can't hold the top spot. There's not question it's shady - they are feigning neutrality when they are not.

[ObamaWebb]

31. More Billary BS

Something tells me Barack ain't gonna be real thrilled when he finds out that the "Both" in VoteBoth stands for Hill...and Bill.

[Renew Deal]

8. They're irrelevant.

No one cares.

[jenmito]

9. Just like the "Dem. demonstration" to count the votes in MI and FL...

They had to wear shirts pretending to support other candidates besides Hillary. It looks like they're at it again.

[bunnies]

10. Hillary on an Obama ticket will nullify his message.

Why the hell cant Clinton supporters seem to understand this? They just assume that Obama supporters wont defect despite the fact that many would question his judgment if he chose her? Furthermore, those who wont vote for a black guy, STILL wont vote for a black guy. Do they actually think that Hillarys presence would change all that?

Its so damned illogical. WTF indeed.

[MattBaggins]

20. So they won't vote for a black guy

Who cares. She brings a good solid core of women voters and blue collar dems to the table. The fantasy of revolution by throwing out the old vanguard is not going to happen. You effect change by working with the party stalwarts, not by some crazy idea of throwing them all to the curb. We are going to have to reach out to her supporters and work with them not against them.

Are we going to create change by winning and influencing people or by getting in their faces and telling them to get lost?

Hillary is a great choice for VP. If you are an Obama supporter and have wagged your finger at Clintons camp; insisting that they get in line and support the parties decision for POTUS, then perhaps you need to do the same and be willing to fight as hard for her as VP.

[Why Syzygy]

12. K&R . I predicted! She is screwing with the VP slot. Still being a pest. Pushing her own agenda

It's sickening. I posted their website yesterday. ABC reported on them as legit and provided a link to their site in ABC's story.

Does she really want it? Or just want the status? Drama? What a pest she is.

[Hutzpa]

13. NO FUCKIN CHANCE....... eom

[madrchsod]

16. VoteBoth ?.......this is hilarious....

http://voteboth.org/
Vote Both

.............someone has a great sense of humor......

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[blogslut]

33. Ha!

:rofl:

[Azathoth]

18. This is like fighting off Scientologists

Ya just can't get rid of 'em.

[yourguide]

21. HAHAHAHAHA!

You hit the nail on the head!

[Cha]

19. No. hilary and her supporters

BLEW IT.

[mod mom]

22. Here's more on Voteboth:

May 7, 2008
Ex-Clintonite makes press-release goof
Posted: 03:30 PM ET

A former Clinton staffer is now pushing a unity ticket.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Old habits die hard, a long-time Hillary Clinton supporter proved this week when he sent out a press release from his new organization with [e-mail] as the contact address.

Sam Arora, a Clinton aide for three years, made the goof Tuesday in a press release for VoteBoth, which is pressing for a ticket that would bring the two Democratic rivals together.

The release said "[e-mail]," but linked to the Clinton campaign's generic media e-mail address.

Arora said it was a simple mistake caused by his using an old Microsoft document to make the new one.

"I didn't realize that, when you do this in Microsoft Word, you have to look at what the html says," he said. "This was just me being technically unadvanced."

-snip

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/07/ex-clintonite-makes-press-release-goof/?eref=ib_politicalticker


VoteBoth Folks Ramp Up
06 May 2008 10:32 pm
The Hillaryites who founded VoteBoth are pushing forward. Here's their statement on tonight's results.
HAROLD FORD, JR. ENDORSES UNITY TICKET
Obama Calls for Unity, Opens Door to Idea

WASHINGTON, DC--Democratic Leadership Council chairman and former Tennessee congressman Harold E. Ford, Jr. tonight endorsed a “Dream Team” ticket with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Speaking on MSNBC, Ford said, “I think it's something that this party is going to have to think very seriously about in the next few weeks.”

Senator Barack Obama left open the door to sharing the general election ballot with Senator Hillary Clinton as he spoke this evening to supporters in Raleigh, NC, and addressed the unity the Democrat Party needs, saying:
“Tonight, many of the pundits have suggested that this party is inalterably divided – that Senator Clinton’s supporters will not support me, and that my supporters will not support her. Well I’m here tonight to tell you that I don’t believe it. ...This fall, we intend to march forward as one Democratic Party, united by a common vision for this country. Because we all agree that at this defining moment in history – a moment when we’re facing two wars, an economy in turmoil, a planet in peril – we can’t afford to give John McCain the chance to serve out George Bush’s third term.”

VoteBoth founder Adam Parkhomenko responded to the growing support for a unity ticket, saying today, “Instead of nominating the candidate with 50.1% of the vote, we need to consider a ticket with both Obama and Clinton that has won 100% of the vote.”

-snip
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/voteboth_folks_ramp_up.php

[powergirl]

25. That email "error" is hilarious!

I like how she says it has something to do with technology. I would never accidentally send a [e-mail] email b/c I wouldn't be on said list! She's not getting the silliness of her argument!

[ObamaWebb]

30. Klinton's Keystone Kops

Sam Arora, a Clinton aide for three years, made the goof Tuesday in a press release for VoteBoth, which is pressing for a ticket that would bring the two Democratic rivals together.

The release said "[e-mail]," but linked to the Clinton campaign's generic media e-mail address.

Arora said it was a simple mistake caused by his using an old Microsoft document to make the new one.

"I didn't realize that, when you do this in Microsoft Word, you have to look at what the html says," he said. "This was just me being technically unadvanced."

So let's see now. Hillary can't operate a coffee machine...chief strategist Penn didn't know that California wasn't winner-take-all...and this clown can't use Microsoft Word.

Yep, these folks certainly seem like they'd be perfect replacements for Dubya & Gang.

A seamless transition of incompetence.

[stillcool]

26. these people are insane...

[powergirl]

27. The VoteBoth Website on the Homepage - states it was formed by Clinton supporters

They also have links to support their cause at Fox News and George Stephanapolous


"Big Tent Democrat: VoteBoth (Talk Left)
I support this idea:

"On Tuesday a bunch of Hillaryites launched "Voteboth.com" to push the idea of a "Dream Ticket" of both Clinton and Obama … again. "We figure why have a nominee who has won 51.1 percent of the vote when you can have a ticket of both of them who have won 100 percent of the Democratic vote?" Voteboth.com spokesman Sam Arora said."

http://www.voteboth.com/

They sell stupid T-Shirts and Bumperstickers with Clinton/Obama and Obama/Clinton and they copy Obama's T-Shirts with a slogan shirt that states "Want Both?" instead of "Want Hope?"

Who is going to buy these items. If I were to buy these, I wouldn't have very long to wear them. It is not lost on me that each sticker/T-shirt has two samples: The First Sample is ALWAYS Clinton/Obama.

[powergirl]

28. kick

n/t

[ObamaWebb]

29. Who Does She Think She's Kidding???

Think I'll start my own 527 to counter this VoteBoth nonsense.

Ooohhh...I sure hope DitchTheWitch isn't already registered with the FEC.

[MagickMuffin]

32. Adam Parkhomenko, was only 17 when he started his Draft Hillary in '03

More articles here: http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/ReferencesView.aspx?PersonID=373022731


:kick: & RRRRRRRR

[hokies4ever]

34. They just talked about voteboth.com on CNN's morning news show

They might have some credibility if they hadn't started so late into the primary season when it was obvious that Hillary couldn't win the nomination with a superdelegate coup without also having Obama on the ticket.

[powergirl]

35. They registered their group on April 8, 2008

AFTER it was clear that Obama was going to win it. It was in the Dallas Morning News today.


"WASHINGTON – A group called VoteBoth has been leading the charge for Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama to team up on the Democratic ticket.

"The Associated Press
Hillary Rodham Clinton's campaign went full steam ahead Sunday as she appeared in Eleanor, W.Va. But the people behind it come from just one of those camps – Mrs. Clinton's.

"VoteBoth first filed with the Federal Election Commission on April 8. The group's original mission promoted the idea of Mrs. Clinton as the nominee with Mr. Obama as her running mate.

"On May 1, two days after Mr. Obama's renouncement of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, VoteBoth amended its mission: a joint ticket in either order."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/politics/national/stories/DN-voteboth_12pol.ART.State.Edition1.4677c1b.html