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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:34 AM
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Poll question: Hillary for Veep? Poll votes, thoughts and nominees welcome
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:45 AM
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1. No, No, No, No, No, No, No, No, NO
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:46 AM
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2. She's not fit to be president, now or at any time.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:49 AM
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3. no no no no no no
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:52 AM
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4. I said no
Not out of hostility, I like her, but I don't think she's the best choice. I like people who are out of the Senate for a few reasons. We don't have to worry about losing a seat and they can add a little to the "we're not Washington insiders" type of stuff. Even though, just about every politician has a bit of status quo in them, it is always fun to rail against Washington all the time. Easy points really.

But my top choices are, in order.
(not including Kurovski, who is my top choice, but that's a given)

1. Bill Richardson
2. Wesley Clark
3. Brian Schweitzer
4/5. Janet Napolitano
4/5. Kathleen Sebelius

Sleeper picks? Possibility of Ted Strickland or maybe even Ed Rendell. Two swing state governors.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:59 AM
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5. So, why those "nominees"?
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:53 AM
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9. right
Richardson has a wealth of experience, in congress,as UN Ambassador, as Energy Secretary, and as a governor. He has viable credentials in national security and as an executive. He's solid all-around on that stuff. Also, he's Hispanic, and he'll bring New Mexico -Kerry barely lost - with him, probably Nevada and Colorado as well, by virtue of his popularity with Hispanics. He's solid on the campaign trail, not a world-beater, but he's smart and disciplined.

Wes Clark because his national security credentials trump McCain's any day. McCain won't be able to paint a presidential candidate as weak on security when he's not only smart, in line with the American people on Iraq, but he also has a 4-Star General as his VP nominee. And Clark is solid on the campaign trail too, pretty disciplined as well. Not an overly charismatic guy, but he has appeal. Plus, he's a Clinton ally, and can help the healing process there as well.

Brian Schweitzer. He has broad appeal, he's the popular (70 percent approval rating) governor of Red State Montana. He's a dynamic guy, people like him, he's pro-gun (everybody in MT is), rides horses, is a real farmer and rancher and not a fake one like Bush. Not only that, he's a trained agronomist who lived in Saudi Arabia for seven years and speaks fluent Arabic. He also started one of the biggest farms in the Middle East, and knows how to manage projects on a level that augments his leadership style. He's tough too, he's had MT Republicans on the run the second he stepped in office. They are so scared of Schweitzer that one reporter said that the state GOP whines so much you'd think Schweitzer doles out knuckle sandwiches to them in his office whenever they meet. He's also pro-environment, very pro-environment. Obama and Schweitzer on the campaign trail would be a sight to see, interesting and eclectic.

Janet Napolitano and Kathleen Sebelius. Napolitano is my governor. She's fantastic. She does well in a GOP dominated state, she's popular enough that she probably could beat McCain for his Senate seat in 2010, she has to reach across the aisle somewhat, but she's still a solid Dem. She's smart and would appeal well to women voters who might feel scorned after Hillary lost. Napolitano is also a former state AG who has a good reputation on crime and security issues, however, she is mixed in some ways with Hispanics. For the most part they like her, but in compromising with the state Lege she's run afoul of some people who are pro-immigration. It's not alot though. As a western governor, she could help with some of the Western states too. Sebelius is good for many of the same reasons. She's a woman, could help heal some wounds there again. She's a well-respected governor, but like Napolitano and Schweitzer, she might not be able to bring her state in the win column. But being from the Midwest, she does help with those and Western states. I don't necessarily think VPs make a whole lot of difference in regional voting, Edwards sure didn't 4 years ago, but in Western states the demographics could work where some of these choices might make a small but crucial difference. Sebelius fits into that pretty well. One thing I quibble at, she seemed a bit wooden in her SOTU response this year, so I wonder how she is on the campaign trail, especially compared to someone as good as Obama.
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:56 PM
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14. Great analysis! Thanks a lot! n/t
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Wetzelbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:30 PM
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15. yeah I kind of blacked out like Will Ferrell in "Old School" while writing that...
:) You're welcome.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:16 AM
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6. um...NO. Let me repeat: NO
Have I seen this poll before???
Oh well, likely preaching to the choir but, all forgiveness aside, Senator Obama can do far better. Senator Clinton brings little that Senator Obama needs in defeating Senator mCcain and arguably any votes she may bring may likely be canceled out by the anti-Clinton folks in the Republican party who are sitting this one out because they have little belly for mCcain. Energizing THAT bit of the Republican base may actually do more harm than good as many of those who are sitting out are actually thinking of voting FOR Senator Obama.

One reason I am personally against a VP Clinton:
I can't imagine having the likes of ex-President Bill Clinton looking over a President Obama's shoulder when the work gets started. It seems to me that between an ex-President Clinton and a Vice President Clinton, overwhelming pressures could be brought to bear on a President Obama. I for one would prefer to see him not so influenced, I for one want to see an "out with the old and in with the new".

Another reason I am against seeing Senator Clinton as VP:
Many of us want to see accountability in some fashion, Senator Obama has promised that he will direct his AG to investigate the bfee to see if crimes were indeed committed.* President Clinton has already shown a predilection for pardoning these sorts of crooks. I hope that a President Obama will choose to not seek out Clinton's council when it comes to forgiving the bush crime family. I am an angry citizen of this world who wants to see the crimes of the bfee brought out into the light of day for everyone to see. I say this not from anger though, instead I say this because I know that in the end, this will be an important measure of healing for our nation and our world. It will also be preventative medicine for our ailing democracy if done right....we are a nation of laws after all is said and done.

*(I hope that this is no hollow campaign promise...that's all I really have is HOPE regarding this. We shall see what we shall see!)
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funflower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:23 AM
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7. Sorry if it's a repeat. I don't spend enough time on DU to see everything that gets posted.
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 04:37 AM
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10. If a repeat poll, it doesn't bother me...
Gives me a chance to say my piece again, or be a blowhard again, depending on ones point of view. I don't think Senator Obama will be asking Senator Clinton anyway and there is a fair chance that Senator Clinton would not be interested in the job either.

I am a DU junkie, I get my daily news and entertainment here as well as my politics....I suppose one could do worse. No worries funflower, :pals: I don't mind this poll, it will I suspect, be quite lopsided though.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 03:30 AM
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8. he does not need a backstabber undermining his presidency 24/7, plotting against him
DUH -- if you and another employee are being considered for promotion, and the other employee spread sfalse rumors about you, has "friends" falsely kiss up to you only so they can learn some "dirt," spends all his/her time talking about you behind your back, ridiculing and belittling you, and generally does everything he or she can do to make you look bad, are you going to choose that person to work immediately under you? you'd have to be a damn fool to do so.

there is nothing extraordinary, highly electable, or eminently qualified about HRC for veep, and high high disapproval means she would be a serious mistake that would cost Obama at least one vote: mine.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 05:48 AM
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11. It would just be nice to have someone with a few accomplishments in there...
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 05:51 AM
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12. How many times are we going to poll this dead shark question? n/t
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 06:42 AM
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13. Can we PLEASE have some new blood?
I oppose Clinton on the ticket because the country has had a BUSH in either the Presidency or Vice-Presidency from 1980-1992, then 8 years of Clinton, and then 8 MORE years of BUSH. And so now we are talking about potentially 8 more years with a Clinton.

I opposed Hillary for the nomination because it's time the Presidency was opened up to someone outside of the Bush-Clinton circle; and I oppose her on the ticket as VP for the same reason.

We are already in the iron grip of a two party system that cannot be challenged. Now we are getting into a two party system where only certain FAMILIES have access to the Presidency within that system.

This nneds to end and it needs to end now.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:31 PM
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16. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:37 PM
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17. Present!
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