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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:09 AM
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Ron Paul's forces quietly plot GOP convention revolt against McCain
LA Times

Virtually all the nation's political attention in recent weeks has focused on the compelling state-by-state presidential nomination struggle between two Democrats and the potential for party-splitting strife over there.

But in the mTexas Rep. Ron Paul and his libertarian-minded GOP backers are collecting delegates at the local level and planning a revolt against Sen. John McCain at the Republican National Convention in St. Paul in Septembereantime, quietly, largely under the radar of most people, the forces of Rep. Ron Paul have been organizing across the country to stage an embarrassing public revolt against Sen. John McCain when Republicans gather for their national convention in St. Paul at the beginning of September.

Paul's presidential candidacy has been correctly dismissed all along in terms of winning the nomination. He was even excluded as irrelevant by Fox News from a nationally-televised GOP debate in New Hampshire.

But what's been largely overlooked is Paul's candidacy as a reflection of a powerful lingering dissatisfaction with the Arizona senator among the party's most conservative conservatives. As anticipated a month ago in The Ticket, that situation could be exacerbated by today's expected announcement from former Republican Rep. Bob Barr of Georgia for the Libertarian Party's presidential nod, a slot held by Paul in 1988.

Nevermind Ralph Nader, Republican and Democratic parties both face....

...potentially damaging internal splits that could cripple their chances for victory in a narrow vote on Nov. 4.

Just take a look at recent Republican primary results, largely overlooked because McCain locked up the necessary 1,191 delegates long ago. In Indiana, McCain got 77% of the recent Republican primary vote, Mike Huckabee and Mitt Romney, who've each long ago quit and endorsed McCain, still got 10% and 5% respectively, while Paul took 8%.

On the same May 6 in North Carolina, McCain received less than three-quarters of Republican votes (74%), while Huckabee got 12%, Paul 7% and Alan Keyes and No Preference took a total of 7%.

Pennsylvania was even slightly worse for the GOP's presumptive nominee, who got only 73% to a combined 27% for Paul (16%) and Huckabee (11%).

As Politico.com's Jonathan Martin noted recently, at least some of these results are temporary protest votes in meaningless primaries built on lingering affection for Huckabee and suspicion of McCain.

Given the long-since settled GOP race, thousands of other Republicans in these states, who might have put up with a McCain vote, crossed over to vote in the more exciting Democratic primaries, on their own for Sen. Barack Obama or at the urging of talk-show host Rush Limbaugh who sought to support Hillary Clinton and prolong Democratic bloodletting.

According to a recent Boston Globe tally, Paul has a grand total of 19 Republican delegates to Romney's 260, Huckabee's 286 and McCain's 1,413.

The last three months Paul's forces, who donated $34.5 million to his White House effort and upwards of one million total votes, have, as The Ticket has noted, been fighting a series of guerrilla battles with party establishment officials at county and state conventions from Washington and Missouri to Maine and Mississippi. Their goal: to take control of local committees, boost their delegate totals and influence platform debates..............

Be great if the Convention that has the Blow up is the Republican Convention.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:16 AM
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1. Poor Johnny. The front page of the Wa Post nails him on the environment
this morning and Novak says that Huckabee is plotting behind his back with the fundies.


At least he can be sure that W will vote for him. Or will he.......

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pompano Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:21 AM
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2. LOL....
It looks like Leiberman and Lindsey's "golden gramp" will be dealing with Siphon Central in November.

McDimbuld will have his own Nader-taters to contend with this GE. :rofl:
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:38 AM
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3. Time for DU to start going after McCain ....... n/t
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nxylas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:21 AM
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4. A hypothetical question
Suppose a talk show host on Air America or Pacifica were to start an Operation Chaos and urge their listeners to vote Paul, and then threaten to start a riot at the Republican convention. Do you think they'd get away with it scott free the way Rush did? I somehow doubt it very much.
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kevinmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:25 AM
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5. I have a feeling that the FBI .....
would be hauling them off.
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Froward69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 08:48 AM
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6. rec #7 Tak for instance the Nevada
rethug state convention. the party elites canceled the vote tallies. rather than acknowledge Ron Paul's delegates were the only ones to show up. The under current in the republican party is indeed Ron Paul.

as far as i know they (ron Paul's supporters)are indeed planning to have their say at the national rethug convention. :popcorn: :rofl: :popcorn:
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:23 AM
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7. If the Dems were smart
they would be sending money to the Paulites. We could call it "Operation Mayhem in Minneapolis"
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:32 AM
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8. Paul signs and stickers all over the place here.
Less than Obama, but still signifigant in that there are NO McCain stickers, signs etc.

We still have people driving cars with freaking BUSH stickers and no McCain.

His supporters are loud and enthusiastic...nuttier than a pack of squirrels, but out in people's faces. I hope they split the repubs...we can have our own Operation Chaos. It's yours if you want it....;)
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:03 AM
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9. they have their nader now.
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juno jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:11 PM
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18. And all I can do is smile .
:)

Warms my heart a little. Hell what with Barr, we could have dueling Naders.


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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:59 AM
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10. "Presumptive Nominee"....uh huh...just remember that's what he's being called....
and ask yourself what exactly does that mean?? I keep saying McCain is being played...and so are we...until we nominate...we won't know what they are going to do, or who their nominee is going to be...or who they will put on the ticket with him as VP, IF he becomes their nominee, remember he's 71 yrs old...easy for him to fall, have a stroke, heart attack, reoccurring bout with cancer....wb
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:08 PM
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11. The RNC isn't going to dump money behind a candidate they have no intention of supporting. This ...
is the libertarian arm of the repugs looking for attention. This isn't about 2008, this is about pushing the rethugs further to the libertarian side.
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windbreeze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:34 PM
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17. I understand what you are saying....
what I'm saying is...with this bunch, we should not take anything at face value...put nothing past them..it's possible that they fully intended to lose this election, on purpose(to Clinton) and that's why McCain is their "presumptive nominee"...I don't believe they counted on Obama getting as far as he has...so now, perhaps IF they felt that they had someone who could take on our nominee, and possible give us a real run for the WH...they just might arrange for it...a lot could happen before this is over...wb (iow never underestimate your opponent)
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:10 PM
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12. This would be most excelent
It needs to be done the pukes really need to take a hard look at themselves. This election is lost to them. They know it.

If they dont go back to acting like real republicans instead of the clowns they have become they will be finished for a decade.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:12 PM
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13. On second thought maybe not
There is the possibility that a really nasty floor fight outs the fake republican platform and they reject what they have become and actually form a better party becuase of it....

Hmm either way America is better off I guess.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:19 PM
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15. Boy the DC MSM would be SHOCKED when it turns out the GOP is split
that...why that .... (screaming at someone off camera) I DON'T HAVE A SCRIPT ON THAT!!!!!!!!!!!! :grr::mad:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:16 PM
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14. Hey, they could always vote for BOB BARR! LOL. n/t
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:27 PM
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16. This country gets closer to being a 4 party country every day.
Leftists, Democrats, Republicans, and Rightists
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:17 PM
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19. See if we could finally get OUR stuff together
Edited on Mon May-12-08 07:17 PM by 4themind
these clowns would implode on them selves IMO. The best way for us to lose this is to destroy our selves by not coming together before it's too late (as for when that is, I guess people will be talking about that only in hindsight unfortunately...)
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