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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:13 AM
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Hillary making people on both sides nervous: "It's not going to be a quiet exit." (updated)
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How to end a presidential campaign

By BEN SMITH | 5/12/08 4:22 AM EST

There are 50 ways to leave your lover, 13 ways of looking at a blackbird, and at least six ways to drop out of a presidential race. With Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign running on empty with little hope of victory, the New York senator's allies and independent observers alike have begun to consider which one she’ll choose.

Clinton is balancing a range of considerations: her bank account; her political future and the party’s; her need to win back Obama’s supporters, particularly African-Americans; and her need to keep faith with voters in her own (nearly) half of the party, many of whom have grown to dislike her rival.

And so her options range from swift and gracious (although time is running out on that one) to the political version of Custer’s last stand: taking a losing hand to the Democratic National Convention in August. Each has its benefits and its drawbacks, but together they’re what’s left of Clinton’s options.

1) Never Say Die: There’s no rule that Clinton has to drop out just because she can’t win. The loser’s road to the August Democratic National Convention is a humiliating, unlikely path — she’d be broke, and she'd have to sit by and watch as her supporters defected, one by one, to the likely winner. On the other hand, the National Weather Service estimates that there’s a 1 in 2.8 million chance that Obama (or anyone else) will be struck by lightning in the next three months.

And hey, it’s working for Ron Paul.

2) Extract a Job: Clinton still has leverage. Every day she’s in the race, she reminds the media of Obama’s weaknesses with some voters and drives what threatens to become a self-fulfilling narrative about his inability to connect to working-class white voters. Bill Clinton, meanwhile, is roaming rural America, stoking the same resentments Republicans hope to use against Obama in the fall.

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updated 12:43 a.m. EDT, Sun May 11, 2008

Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

By Carl Bernstein
CNN Contributor

(CNN) -- Friends and close associates of both Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are now convinced that, assuming she loses the race for the presidential nomination, she is probably going to fight to be the vice presidential nominee on an Obama-for-president ticket.

<...>

A person close to her, with whom her campaign staff has counseled at various points, said this week, "I think the following will happen: Obama will be in a position where the party declares him the nominee by the first week in June. She'll still be fighting with everybody -- the Rules Committee, the party leaders -- and arguing, 'I'm winning these key states; I've got almost half the delegates. I have a whole constituency he hasn't reached. I've got real differences on approach to how we win this election, and I'm going to press the hell out of this guy. ... Relief for the middle class, universal health care, etc.; I'm Ms. Blue Collar, and I'm going to press my fight, because he can't win without my being on the ticket.' "

Another major Democratic Party figure, who supports her for president, agreed: "It's not going to be a quiet exit. ... Obama has got a terrible situation. He marches to a different drummer. He won't want to take her on the ticket. But he might have to, even though the idea of Vice President Hillary with Bill in the background at the White House is not something -- especially after what have thrown at him that he relishes. I believe she'll go for it."

<...>

However, from the perspective of both campaign camps, there is serious concern about the kind of landing she's aiming for and the precarious task of bringing her plane down, especially if she decides to seek the vice presidential nomination. There could be a number of different landings:

  • Smooth and skillful, doing the Obama candidacy no further damage and perhaps restoring to relative health the legacy of and regard for Bill and Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party.

  • Explosive, setting down after the enemy has been carpet-bombed (an "October surprise in May"), something the Obama campaign believes may be less and less likely to come from his Democratic opponent because of the dangers to the party and the Clintons' reputation. Yet the Clinton campaign's search for damaging information and its hope that such information exists continues, according to knowledgeable sources. Strategist Harold Ickes, her premier tactical counselor, warned on the eve of the North Carolina and Indiana that Obama could be vulnerable to an "October surprise" by the McCain campaign.

  • Missing the runway and destroying the Democratic village, as even her advocates outside her immediate campaign apparat fear could happen if the Clinton campaign continues to pursue a harshly negative course.

  • Just bumpy and scary enough to shake the Obama campaign one last time and get her into the hangar as the vice presidential nominee on the Democratic ticket. Increasingly, this is what people in Obama's corner and those who know her well are becoming convinced she will try to do. Part of this assumption is based on her determination to roll up the biggest numbers possible in West Virginia and Kentucky, and Bill Clinton's argument that she may still win a majority of popular votes in non-caucus states.
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Clinton adviser: Clinton 'willing' to lend campaign more money

Posted: 05:08 PM ET

(CNN) — A top Clinton adviser this morning said that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is open to the possibility of loaning her campaign more money to continue in the race.

Terry McAuliffe, the Clinton campaign chairman, told Tim Russert on “Meet the Press” that he spoke to Clinton about the possibility of contributing more money and “she said that she would be willing to do it.” However, McAuliffe insists, “We haven’t needed it.”

Russert pressed the issue, asking McAuliffe if the Clintons will be able to repay all debts after the campaign is over. “We plan on it,” he replied.

The Clintons have contributed a sizeable amount to Hillary’s campaign, loaning $6.4 million in just the last few weeks. The total amount loaned is estimated to be around $11 million, with the campaign $20 million in debt.

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Bob Herbert: The Clintons have never understood how to exit the stage gracefully.

Look at what Hillary has become. Sad and scary.



Updated to add this from Hillary's site:

HUBdate: Strongest at the Top of the Ticket

Bizarre!




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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:16 AM
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1. Look at what she has become? Become? hmmm.
I'm afraid that is who she was all along. I was deluded into buying this myth that somehow she was not a monster.

I defended them both throughout the travails of the 1990s only to see the mask pulled back to reveal the delusional self-aggrandizing egomaniacs they both really are.
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Citizen_Penn Donating Member (359 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:44 AM
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9. Billie Carr - the late great Texan who lead the Harris County
Democratic Party for years. She knew Bill and Hillary before they were ever elected to an office.

When they campaigned in Texas for McGovern, she met them - and continued a friendship for years.

Even though she supported his election campaign, it seemed she didn't feel he was truly a liberal.

And when he got caught, she shook her finger in his face and said shame on you.

Well, lately, I feel something like shame that I bought the Clintons, defended them for over a decade.

And they repaid that loyalty with the most brutal and devastating narcissism I've ever seen.

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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:51 PM
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20. Welcome To DU
Great post!
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:23 PM
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27. Billie Carr!!
You just proved your Texas liberal bona fides to this old Texas yellow dog.

I suppose if I said Sissy Farenthold, you'd say "Dirty Thirty!"

Or maybe "Texas passes."
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:45 AM
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10. Become hell - she's ALWAYS been a shrew. I trust her as far as I can throw her.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:17 AM
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2. The selfish politics of party destruction!
Edited on Mon May-12-08 09:18 AM by BlueJac
:kick:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:37 AM
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3. 0.0000028% chance of lightning striking.
Hang tough!
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:39 AM
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4. Actually there is only one way
She can drop out and help the party as well as her and Bill's reputation. She needs to do as Edwards did, and bow out gracefully. No threats, no temper tantrum, and not demands that she be the VP. Any ticket with Hillary on it will be a loser in November. Everything she has thrown at Obama will come back as ads by the republicans showing why Obama should not be president. She also represents the very thins Obams wants to change, the things the will bring in independents and even republicans that are fed up with the way Bush has taken this country! Put Hillary as VP, and the democrats lose the GE.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:55 AM
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11. A tough balance
On one hand, it is over. Obama does not need make a deal with anyone to secure the nomination. On the other the second place candidate has not gone away and can continue holding a bloc together for her interests right to the Convention. Therefore it will be interesting. People of good will are trying to project the goodwill solution and shine lights pointing the way to a graceful exit.

There are several huge reasons greater than party rivalries why Hillary is not a classic good choice for the VP slot and in past administrations where rivals were included none of them brought actual campaign negatives and interference in with such inevitable danger. Yet unless she transforms here rival bloc into something wonderful for the whole party what tangible prize is worth it other than the VP nomination?
If not all positive or nothing but the VP nomination then it is all sour and small and divisive for nothing.

Only Hillary knows, but she can(will) end up losing twice this year in some way damaging to everyone. She really needs to think what she can win and for once this year she has to change the fated direction taken so far.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 09:44 AM
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5. Reason 86 to vote for Hillary because lightning is going to strike Obama soon.
:evilgrin:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:14 AM
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6. Super-Del Tom Allen Announces Support For Obama; Calls On Race To End

Super-Del Tom Allen Announces Support For Obama; Calls On Race To End

By Greg Sargent - May 12, 2008, 11:05AM

Super-delegate and Congressman Tom Allen of Maine just announced in a release that he's backing Barack Obama.

"Most of the primary voters across the nation have now spoken," Allen said today, according to a release sent out by his campaign to unseat Maine GOP Senator Susan Collins.

"It is time to bring a graceful end to the primary campaign," said Allen, whose campaign to unseat Collins has netroots and establishment support, though he's trailing in polls. "We now need to unify the Democratic Party and focus on electing Senator Obama and a working majority in the United States Senate."



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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:36 AM
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7. She's Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:38 AM
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8. Flash: Several members of Congress caught spiking the kool aid with LSD ....again.
:evilgrin:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:57 AM
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12. she's beyond the pale. she might be sawing off her new york limb.
i hope they boot her.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:47 AM
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13. "I'm Ms. Blue Collar" -- totally hilarious. Hillary as the champion of the blue collar worker.
Desperation is a most effective catalyst.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:53 AM
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15. Ivy League Grad, former 2 time first lady from Arkansas , 2 time first lady of the US and
twice elected US senator from NY..worth 109Mil.. Yep when I hear "Blue Collar", that's what I sure think of :eyes:..

If SHE'S blue collar what are hairdressers, lunch ladies, daycare workers?
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:41 AM
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24. Yep. Sad thing is ... some people buy it.
Whaddya gonna do?
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gorekerrydreamticket Donating Member (422 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:47 AM
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25. and former Wal-Mart Board of Directors...n/m
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:50 AM
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14. Hillary ought to be concerned about holding her Senate seat
after her sorry run for president.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 11:56 AM
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16. I don't think she cares.. My impression is that the reason she even RAN , was to embellish
Edited on Mon May-12-08 11:57 AM by SoCalDem
he resume for a run in '04...but the war thing and Bush's command of scare tactics probably meant that she might lose and then would have trouble getting re-elected in '06, and she would NEED to be in the Senate to have the gravitas to try in '08..

I do not think she enjoys being the "junior senator" from NY..1 of 100..
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:16 PM
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17. And now the end is near...
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:20 PM
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18. "I won't be IGNORED, Dan..."
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 12:45 PM
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19. K & R
:thumbsup:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 02:43 PM
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21. Mayor Hillary (too funny)
May 12, 2008

Mayor Hillary?

So yes, this primary has gotten a little slow, and here's a trial balloon to keep us amused:

A prominent New York City politico suggested to me just now that Hillary run for Mayor of New York next year. It's not the presidency, but it's a big executive job, comes with a media spotlight and a mansion.

I called Ed Koch to ask him about this, and after yelling at me for wasting his time, he said: "She’s not going to run for mayor of New York City, and if she did, I don’t think she could win." (He added that he's still backing her in the primary, and thinks she has a chance.)

I wouldn't quibble with him on his first point, though my original source and I both think that if she ran, she'd probably clear the field and walk into the office.

(emphasis added)

Koch is an asshole, but this is hilarious.



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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 10:24 PM
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22. How would her hard-working people, uh, white people comment
work with NYC voters?

What is the demographic breakdown there?

80% Ethnic white
20% Everyone else?

I doubt it.

I'll be surprised if she is able to retain her Senate seat after she left that quote looming over the primary and refused to PERSONALLY come out and handle it.

Shame on her.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 08:18 AM
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23. Obama gets IN Congressman and pledged delegate switch from Hillary

Delegates, pledged and un-

Indiana Congressman Joe Donnelly goes with Obama.

And -- in a particularly bad sign for Clinton -- a pledged delegate of hers says he's going to vote for Obama at the convention. (Wasn't so long ago when it was Hillary's camp swearing they wouldn't go poaching pledged delegates.)



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:12 PM
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26. AFSCME Head Meets With Clinton About Her Intentions

AFSCME Head Meets With Clinton About Her Intentions

The Swamp: The New York Senator’s top union supporter Gerald McEntee met with Clinton one-on-one Tuesday to see what her post-West Virginia plans are.

Sources says he didn’t pressure Clinton to exit the race, but he’s concerned about her chances and lack of a clear endgame.



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