Massive votes for Hillary and Massive votes for Obama.. Ted Devine says a joint ticket is unbeatable

[Bensthename]

Massive votes for Hillary and Massive votes for Obama.. Ted Devine says a joint ticket is unbeatabl...

The more I think about it the more this ticket makes sense..
They both have blown away republicans in votes and and money..
They both have very loyal supporters that arent going anywhere..

Put them together and they dont even need to gain any more voters to beat McCain..

Could be..

[GarbagemanLB]

1. The best of both worlds? Yeah...also the worst of both. What state does Hillary bring to the ticket?

[tyne]

3. The state

of the past? Sounds great.

[Genevieve]

The State Of Denial. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

31. half the party

[PoliticalAmazon]

44. "Want to take a swim, Barak? Here, have an anvil.".....

(quote from another DU poster)

Selecting Hillary as VP would be the worst thing Obama could do. Here's 14 reasons why.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5935549&mesg_id=5935963

[MercutioATC]

2. Would YOU run with a VP who spent 18 months saying you weren't qualified for the job?

How would you explain that n the GE.

An Obama/Clinton ticket would be an abomination...and the most direct path to Dems once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[Bensthename]

6. Bad blood has been brought together for a win

the math putting the two together makes sense..
But I know what you are saying.

[bowens43]

4. HIllary on the ticket defeats the purpose.

[griffi94]

16. i thought the purpose was a win in november

if hillarys supporters don't turn out for obama in november, he won't win.
it's not a dream scenario for sure, but plenty of tickets have had candidates who didn't personally like each other.
wasn't there some friction between gore and bill clinton, and reagan didn't like poppy bush, but put him on the ticket to strengthen it.

[bigdarryl]

5. Michell Obama said hell no to Hillary

[EFerrari]

7. Does he have a history of drug abuse? n/t

[griffi94]

8. i don't know how probable it is

but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
i wonder if obama will get pressure from party leaders to make hillary his veep.
they can't be happy with the split in the party, and if she were to accept, it would repair the rift.
that may be why she doesn't drop out. the longer she stays in and the more divided the voters are, the more she's in a position
to bargain.

[BlooInBloo]

9. God that's stupid.

[Cha]

17. Thank you...and whomever

Ted Devine is..he obviously doesn't know that much about hilary.


All this work getting hilary defeated and she sneaks in as VP.. NO FUCKING WAY.

[BlooInBloo]

21. I like chocolate! I like crab legs! They must be AWESOME TOGETHER!!!

:rofl:

We're a stupid, stupid country.

[redqueen]

23. Hahaahahahahahaha

*sigh*

:)

[Cha]

39. True enough but we're so close

to getting smarter.. and two major step in that direction is just saying NO to hilary and mccain.

I'm betting Obama knows this even more than we do and we know it so well.

[high density]

10. Hillary as VP defeats everything Obama has stood for in this campaign

He complains about Washington insiders at every stop, so I can't see him putting somebody like Clinton as VP. It doesn't mesh with the race he has been running.

[mystieus]

14. So true. and you have bill clinton walking around in the white house..."where's my wife"

[redstate_democrat]

11. I would rather Obama not even run, let Hillary have it, see her get beat by double digits

and then he can run again in 2012.

That ticket is not gonna happen. If Obama is not the nominee, forget about Philly, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, hell all of Illinois, St. Louis, Kansas City, Cleveland, Virginia, North Carolina, all of the Southern States, and even Florida because you will not have a black vote there to depend on. Forget Tennessee, New Mexico, Arizona, Colorado, Minnesota, Oregon, Washington, etc.

But Clinton wins W.Va and KY. Yippee!

[anonymous171]

12. Obama doesn't get just the black vote, you know.

[redstate_democrat]

15. Obviously

[Lucky 13]

13. Everyday there is a post like this and everyday I reply with....

NO NO NO NO NO and HELL FUCKING NO.

She's walking away from this with nothing.

[griffi94]

32. and i'll say

that won't be up to you.
i realize the anti clinton feelings run deep on this forum, but the party isn't going to publicly dress hillary down or punish her no matter how much some of ya'll here would like to see it. if the party leadership deems it in the best interest of the party they'll make some concession to hillary. if her supporters won't turn out for obama he won't win.
i laugh at all the posts on here proclaiming what hillary will and won't get. the worst thing obama could do is get in a pissing match with the clintons just to show em who's boss. love em or hate em, the clintons are talented capable politicians, and i'm not expecting that to change just because hillary lost a primary bid. obama will have to have her support to win in november.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Obama should consider it..have a good laugh..then forget about it.

That last straw of the Hillary campaign is waterlogged and sinking fast.

[SoCalDem]

19. HRC people would be okay with it, but maybe not Obama's

Here's why..

her people might be okay with it because second place on the ticket , to them, might be better than nothing, and many of them seem to still be hoping for that "catastrophe"..:(

Will African Americans really be OKAY with him bringing her and Bill onboard after the resounding shunning they have given both of them?

Will young "inspired" people turn off when they see the "old style" politics of H & B being infused into Obama's campaign?

Will people who were so happy to finally be rid of the astounding negatives & drama of the Clintons, be Okay to make Obama shoulder them?

I don't see any upsides to having BC looking over Obama's shoulder, and having the press ask Bill "what he would have done" ..every time Obama makes a decision..

Short of making Bill ambassador to Mongolia and handcuffing Hillary to the Senate president chair & sewing her mouth shut , I don't see any way he can do it :)

[RoadRage]

20. I can just see the ads the Repugs would run...

McCain wouldn't even need to spend $$$ on his own - he'd just run the "VP'S" ad's against the "DEM Nominee" for 3 months.

"I don't even need to say anything negative about Sen. Obama - i'm going to let his VP running mate just go ahead and do it for me." I'm John McCain, and I approve of Hillary Clinton's message.

[MattBaggins]

29. Those ads will be run anyway

Even if she were not on the ticket every time such an ad runs there will be a Fox-Jazeera reporter smacking Hillary in the face with a microphone demanding a comment. She will be forced to explain and repudiate every word she has said anyway.

[RoadRage]

33. Absolutely... but

It doesn't make Obama look nearly as "weak" if he doesn't choose the person who's been slamming him in the back with a sledge hammer as his VP running mate. They can't question how they will work well together after tearing each other apart for the past 18 months.

Frankly - they can't wonder why the Nominee picked a VP who said he was less experienced then the guy that they'd both be running against. Yes- that ad will run.. but it's not AS damaging if she's not sitting on the ticket.

I feel that if Hillary wanted to be on the ticket, she should have kept the Kitchen Sink in the Kitchen back in Feb/March. Now it's a bit to late.

[calmblueocean]

22. Hillary would undermine Obama if she forces her way into the VP spot.

Having Hillary as his VP undercuts his stature as a presidential candidate, as if he wasn't strong enough to continue on his own.

It also undermines his message of pursuing a new politics by aligning himself with someone he himself has characterized as part of the old politics.

Worst, it turns the Obama Administration into a beast with 3 heads. Who's running the show -- Barack? Hillary? Bill? Hillary becomes a Democratic Cheney figure, with the Clintons functioning as shadow presidents. There's just so much wrong with that, it's hard to know where to begin.

If Hillary had shown herself willing to keep Bill in check, and had withdrawn earlier and given Obama her support, I think most of these concerns could've been mitigated. But now? I just don't think so.

[DearAbby]

24. HELL NO!

[marions ghost]

25. I'll say it again...

good in theory, not good in reality.

Especially after this primary we need a fresh start.

[Erin Elizabeth]

LOL, yeah put them together and piss EVERYONE off!

It'll be unprecedented levels of pissed-offness!

Very very bad idea. Obama needs to pick someone other than Clinton, I think it looks desperate for her campaign to even be floating this idea. He cannot trust her, period.

[Erin Elizabeth]

26. LOL, yeah put them together and piss EVERYONE off!

It'll be unprecedented levels of pissed-offness!

Very very bad idea. Obama needs to pick someone other than Clinton, I think it looks desperate for her campaign to even be floating this idea. He cannot trust her, period.

[Imagevision]

27. Obama would have no probs beating McCain - none whatsoever! doesn't need Billary...

[murielm99]

28. I'd love to see it,

just to watch the heads of the more hateful Obama supporters here all explode in unison.

[VolcanoJen]

30. Obama would need to hire a food taster

I'M TOTALLY KIDDING!

kinda.

[RoadRage]

35. No you're not...

And you aren't to far off. That would be my concern too... with Hillary as VP - you'd always have to have one eye looking forward, and one eye on your own back wondering what else she would do to get into the Presidents seat.

[CakeGrrl]

38. He'll have enough challenges without the Clintons at his back

They're wishing and hoping that "anything can happen" to him to knock him out of the race right now.

Does anyone really think they'll be content to live in the VP's residence? Putting her one heartbeat from the Presidency would be like giving an alcoholic the keys to a liquor store and asking them to keep an eye on it.

:scared:

[enid602]

34. operation chaos

Axelrod did too good of a job in proving the Clintons to be monsters, and his efforts can be seen in websites like these. The Republicans are lovin' it.

[THUNDER HANDS]

36. an Obama-McCain ticket would be unbeatable too

doesn't mean it's going to happen.

[Inuca]

37. Devine and all the others

that sing the praise of such a ticket use old paradigms. They are old time political operatives and/or media political analysts that try to apply what they have learned from the past to the present situation. I think/hope they are completely wrong. One thing that distinguishes Obama from the rest of most of the political pack is his ability to think and act outside the box. He has been consistent in this, as far as I can tell, in the high moments, and well as in the low ones. Most people find this different approach difficult to grasp and even more difficult to analyze and therefore predict what his next move is going to be.

As others have said, chosing Clinton as VP will be against some of the core principles that the Obama campaign has stood for. It may happen, I don't know, I intensly hope it won't... it may be imposed on him in some way or another, but I am almost sure that he will fight it tooth and nail (and Michelle will probably provide much of the nail :-)). No matter what the many rational arguments for it, it is not the RIGHT THING to do, at least IMHO.

[rock]

40. Two gallons of milk, two gallons of popcorn

makes a real mess.

[Jane Austin]

41. Tad Devine maybe? ..............eom

[Cha]

51. Is it Tad Devine? 'Cause that would make

more sense. Wasn't he a pol in Gore's operation for Prez in 2000?

I do know of a Ted Devine and he's an actor on the Monk series..I was hoping it wasn't him spouting this crap 'cause I like him in the comedy.

[Jane Austin]

57. Seems like Tad Devine was John Kerry's spokesman

in 2004.

[Cha]

58. Oh, and he was a spokesman

for Gore, too..thanks.

"Tad Devine, a Gore strategist, said the campaign would use questions about Mr. Bush's Social Security plan to raise doubts about Mr. Bush's qualifications to be president. ''There are some serious doubts about whether he is up to the job,'' Mr. Devine said, adding that Social Security ''focuses those doubts.''"

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C03E5DB1F3EF931A15753C1A9669C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2

[AZBlue]

42. NO WAY. Clinton will ensure a McCain victory.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5922436

[PBS Poll-435]

43. Why?

I would think alienating 48% of the party would do more for a McCain victory...

[AZBlue]

48. The GOP has too much dirt on her - why do you think they wanted her as the nominee?

She's McCain's only chance.

Plus, as divisive as this primary has been, it puts both Clinton and Obama in the absurd and obviously phony position of playing nice now. That kind of hypocrisy is just what Americans don't want any more of - and just hands the GOP ammunition. They'll use her words about Obama against her and it will be ugly.

And, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, will vitalize the GOP like a Clinton on the ticket.

That 48% of the party (and that's an inflated number) will vote for Obama - if they won't, they weren't really Democrats to begin with and their idiots. There will be two choices in the fall: Obama and McCain. Anyone who chooses McCain is a fool.

[PBS Poll-435]

52. I swear I read that as "The GDP has too much dirt on her..."

Why do you think they want her as the nominee? I don't think that they do.

Any "assistance" from Limbaugh was not to make her the nominee, but to keep the primary season going. To keep the in-fighting continue.

[AZBlue]

61. LOL..yeah, that too.

I know that's what Limbaugh admitted to, but the primary race wouldn't be as close as it is if not for him and he could have actually given her the lead if the GOP had listened to him more. The GOP's only chance is Hillary and they know that - they are too good at this not to know. The hatred in the GOP for the Clintons is extreme - nothing on DU or anywhere else in the Dem party has ever come close to it. I used to work for a Republican during the Clinton administration and their feelings for them are beyond all logic and sense. And this was early on in the administration - they didn't even have Monica yet. He used to almost foam at the mouth if the name Clinton was mentioned - and he was one of the milder ones. Every Republican in America will come out and vote against her. And, she's so polarizing they'll have a lot of company from Independents and some Democrats.

Plus, we've only scratched the surface on the Clinton baggage - they were saving it up in case she was the nominee and they'll use it quickly and effectively if she's the VP candidate.

[donheld]

45. The more I think about it the more this ticket makes NO sense..

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

[Thrill]

46. If he names Kathleen Sibelius as VP. Hillary will be an after thought

[mod mom]

47. LOOK WHO IS BEHIND THIS MOVEMENT:

May 7, 2008
Ex-Clintonite makes press-release goof
Posted: 03:30 PM ET

A former Clinton staffer is now pushing a unity ticket.

WASHINGTON (CNN) — Old habits die hard, a long-time Hillary Clinton supporter proved this week when he sent out a press release from his new organization with [e-mail] as the contact address.

Sam Arora, a Clinton aide for three years, made the goof Tuesday in a press release for VoteBoth, which is pressing for a ticket that would bring the two Democratic rivals together.

The release said "[e-mail]," but linked to the Clinton campaign's generic media e-mail address.

Arora said it was a simple mistake caused by his using an old Microsoft document to make the new one.

"I didn't realize that, when you do this in Microsoft Word, you have to look at what the html says," he said. "This was just me being technically unadvanced."

-snip

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/07/ex-clintonite-makes-press-release-goof/?eref=ib_politicalticker


VoteBoth Folks Ramp Up
06 May 2008 10:32 pm
The Hillaryites who founded VoteBoth are pushing forward. Here's their statement on tonight's results.
HAROLD FORD, JR. ENDORSES UNITY TICKET
Obama Calls for Unity, Opens Door to Idea

WASHINGTON, DC--Democratic Leadership Council chairman and former Tennessee congressman Harold E. Ford, Jr. tonight endorsed a “Dream Team” ticket with both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Speaking on MSNBC, Ford said, “I think it's something that this party is going to have to think very seriously about in the next few weeks.”

Senator Barack Obama left open the door to sharing the general election ballot with Senator Hillary Clinton as he spoke this evening to supporters in Raleigh, NC, and addressed the unity the Democrat Party needs, saying:
“Tonight, many of the pundits have suggested that this party is inalterably divided – that Senator Clinton’s supporters will not support me, and that my supporters will not support her. Well I’m here tonight to tell you that I don’t believe it. ...This fall, we intend to march forward as one Democratic Party, united by a common vision for this country. Because we all agree that at this defining moment in history – a moment when we’re facing two wars, an economy in turmoil, a planet in peril – we can’t afford to give John McCain the chance to serve out George Bush’s third term.”
VoteBoth founder Adam Parkhomenko responded to the growing support for a unity ticket, saying today, “Instead of nominating the candidate with 50.1% of the vote, we need to consider a ticket with both Obama and Clinton that has won 100% of the vote.”
-snip
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/05/voteboth_folks_ramp_up.php

[anamnua]

49. Hillary is a woman of integrity

and there is no way that she will diminish herself by sharing a ticket with that narcissist/conman.

[Catherina]

53. Talking about conmen

[frylock]

56. best laugh of the day!

pure comedy gold!!

[Tommy_Carcetti]

50. .

[Catherina]

54. Is the purpose to win with an unworkable ticket or to change?

What excites me about Obama's victory is that for the first time in my lifetime, I think people are taking charge of the party. He's going to have a hard enough time. If we shackle him to the DLC, not only won't there be any change but we won't be able to hold his feet to the fire.

We need a politician WE the people own more than the corporations do.

This is our one shot. The DLC can't come along for the ride; they proved over and over again their goals don't match ours.

[Bensthename]

55. Us cranky DU peeps are too divided.. Most Americans are for it..

Just sayin. If pressure is on from Hillary wanting it and the majority of dems are for it, it may happen..

[barack the house]

59. It just doesn't work. They just want us to think it does...

[flpoljunkie]

60. McCain is having a hard time raising money, plus there's Bob Barr. Putting Hillary on the ticket

with Obama is, sadly, just what McCain and the Republicans are praying for...