Second thread I started ever: Probably discussed before Chuck Hagel for VP?

[MikeDJohn]

Vietnam vet, progressive to moderate REPUBLICAN, against war in Iraq, can address vets, white working men and women in all Red states.

I didn't think this up on my own, Chris Matthews just interviewed two consultants who think Hagel with be a winning ticket with Obama.

Now, don't bash me or Hagel too hard. Tell me why this isn't a good idea.

[redqueen]

1. He's a republican. (nt)

[Bensthename]

3. ^^ What she said.

[FrenchieCat]

6. I thought he left the party?

Anyways, I'm gonna let Team O, and specifically Barack decide. Afterall, it was him who beat every odds, and came out the winner.

[Hutzpa]

26. Spot On !!!

:thumbsup:

[TheDebbieDee]

18. Democratic Senator Webb of Virginia would beat Hagel hands down, I think!

And Virginia has a Democratic Governor so Webb's replacement woould be a Democrat, too.

[Overseas]

41. Exactly !! No GOP !! And let's review the old tune

My favorite song.... www.bushflash.com/ihr.html

[prolesunited]

2. Ummm

Probaby because of that R after his name. I'm a Democrat. I want Democrats on my ticket.

[rfranklin]

4. Why, for God's sake? Hagel of the magical voting machines...

that provide Republicans with unexplainable landslides?

[CakeGrrl]

12. Well, at least with him on the ticket, he'd swing 'em for Obama.

KIDDING!

:silly:

[gateley]

5. There's a thread two down:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5939246

My initial questions is how is he on Roe v Wade? The environment? Tax cuts for the wealthy votes? Stuff like that.

[Mass]

9. Except for Iraq, he is more conservative than McCain!

[gateley]

19. Well what on earth are they thinking, then? nt

[bicentennial_baby]

24. Here's a snippet of Hagel on Choice:

* Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
* Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
* Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
* Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
* Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
* Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
* Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
* Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
* Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
* Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
* Rated 100% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-life stance (190 members). (Dec 2006)

[MikeDJohn]

29. OK OK OK I GET THE MESSAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He's not ideal, far from it.................I guess this just proves those folks on my TV set know very little and get paid TOO TOO MUCH!:grr: :grr: :grr:

[PM7nj]

7. He's not a "progressive to moderate REPUBLICAN"

He is anti-war but is really quite conservative on social and economic issues.

[donheld]

8. He's anti-choice, anti-gay, probably very bush like on the economy

Who thought this was a good idea?

[NewHampshireDem]

10. I think we need to run from the left and reach out to the middle

It would be suicide* for Obama to run from the middle and reach out to the left.

*see McCain, John vs. Limbaugh, Coulter, et al.

[anonymous171]

11. It would go along with his unity message. But it would alienate some of his more liberal supporters.

[AlCzervik]

14. how about two democrats, that's unity in my book. Republicans have been fucking this

country up for a very long time and Hagel went along with them.

[AlCzervik]

13. no, no, no and no.

[bicentennial_baby]

15. Seconded!

:puke:

[PBS Poll-435]

16. No Sale. This is going to be a Democratic Ticket.

Also, 'No' to


Jesse Ventura
Joe Lieberman
Bernie Sanders
Kelly Clarkson
Jim Jeffords
Michael Bloomberg
Kinky Friedman
John Tyler
Sam Houston
George Washington
Destiny's Child
Ralph Nader
Ross Perot
Martina McBride


Please make a note of it.

Thanks

[BeyondGeography]

31. No Kinky?

There goes the Jewish hillbilly vote in Texas.

[PBS Poll-435]

35. If they were such a sizable block, then he would have wiped the floor with

Grandma & Gov. Goodhair


:-)

[anonymous171]

17. I would prefer a cabinet position. After all, a repug still is a repug.

[AlCzervik]

20. i prefer no cabinet position to be honest, there are plenty of great democrats to fill those jobs.

[anonymous171]

22. Obama is going to have to do something to back up his unity claims.

A cabinet position would be a good way of showing his commitment to looking past partisanship.

[AlCzervik]

23. not acting like Bush would be unifying, that should be enough.

[bicentennial_baby]

21. Here's why it's a TERRIBLE idea:

* Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
* Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
* Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
* Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
* Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
* Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
* Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
* Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
* Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
* Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
* Rated 100% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-life stance (190 members). (Dec 2006)


* Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
* Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
* Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
* Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
* Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
* Voted YES on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
* Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
* Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
* Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
* Rated 11% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)

[donheld]

32. INDEED! WHAT SHE SAID.

He's right on Iraq and totally wrong on everything else.

[sfam]

25. I think his Pro-Life position sort of dooms him, but I'd love to see him in the cabinet...

If not for the Pro-Life thing, I think Hagel is a great choice. And he's a terrific guy - just the sort of person Obama is attracting from the right.

[bicentennial_baby]

27. Explain to me how someone who's anti-choice and anti-gay can be

"a terrific guy", please. :crazy:

[anonymous171]

28. Yep. Republicans who understand what foreign policy should look like.

[MikeDJohn]

37. That's about what I think now!

A great choice, and hope he campaigns for Barack in midwestern states

[BlooInBloo]

30. Gotta love new DUers and their preference for non-Democrats.

[RainDog]

33. His name has been brought up repeatedly. my answer is NO

not just no, but hell no.

let him to fix his own party and quit trying to take over mine.

republicans, including Hagel, are responsible for the mess this nation is in now. why reward incompetence?

I will not vote for any ticket that has a republican on it.

[rucky]

34. Again it will show the Democratic party selling itself short...

as if we can't appeal to the majority with our own candidates and platform.

[Barking Spider]

36. I don't want a F'ing Repub having the inside track in 2016

I liked this pick a few weeks ago, but then someone pointed out the obvious.

[newmajority]

38. Chuck Hagel: One of the inventors of electro-fraud voting systems.

Fuck him, fuck his machines, and fuck what Tweety Matthews thinks.

[OzarkDem]

39. Democrats only

Why would Democrats want a white, male Republican on the ticket?

Obama folks need to make up their mind. One group sounds right wing conservative, the other claims to be ultra liberal.

It would be interesting to get all of you in a room together.. :rofl:

[gmudem]

40. Republicans are about as unpopular as they are ever going to be

Why in the hell would Democrats think this is a good time to put one on the ticket?

This isn't gonna happen.

[Yanez Houston Jordan]

42. Which of the following political topics reflects the issues where you agree with Chuckle?

He's rated 0% by NARAL and rated 100% by the NRLC, indicating an extremist anti-choice voting record.

He voted to ban D&X procedures even when the mother's life was in danger.

He voted to ban enlisted women from full access to reproductive health care on military bases.

He voted against sex education which would include education about contraceptives.

He voted against stem cell research.

He's rated 11% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action record.

He's rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights record.

He voted against hate crimes legislation to include sexual orientation.

He favors teacher-led prayer in public schools.

He's rated 100% by the Christian Coalition and rated 0% by the AU, indicating radical opposition to the constitutional separation of church and state.

He's rated 12% by APHA, indicating an extreme anti-public health voting record.

He voted for Medicare means-testing.

He voted for limiting the self-employment health deduction.

He voted for Bush's pharmaceutical boondoggle Medicare prescription drug ripoff.

He voted against negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drugs.

He voted to offer legal immunity to reckless hospitals, nursing homes, and HMOs for liability beyond $250,000.

He voted against adding 2 to 4 million children to SCHIP eligibility.

He's rated 22% by the ARA, indicating an anti-senior record.

He favors privatizing Social Security.

He favors de-funding public schools via private school vouchers.

He voted against funding smaller classes.

He's pro-death penalty and pro three-strikes mandatory criminal sentencing laws without consideration of any possible mitigating facts.

He voted against $1.15 billion per year to continue the COPS program.

He's rated A by the NRA because he opposes requiring guns to be sold with trigger locks and he favors loosening license requirements and eliminating background checks at gun shows.

He's rated 0% by the CTJ, indicating opposition to progressive taxation.

He believes that reducing the national debt is less important than tax cuts for the super-wealthy.

He voted to extend the investor class's tax cuts on capital gains and dividends.

He voted to permanently repealing the estate tax for millionaires.

He voted to build a fence along the Mexican border.

He voted to declare English as our official language.

He's rated 92% by CATO, indicating an extremist anti-fair-trade record, based on his votes for implementing CAFTA, fast track authority for the Bush, permanent normal trade relations with China, removing common goods from national security export rules, granting normal trade relations status to Vietnam, extending worker-exploitation-based trade to Andean nations, Singapore, Chile, Central America, Oman, and Peru.

He voted against preserving habeus corpus for Guantanamo detainees.

He voted against requiring CIA reports on detainees & interrogation methods.

He voted for warrantless wiretapping under FISA.

He voted against creating the Senate Office of Public Integrity.

He voted to allow lobbyist gifts to Congress.

He's rated 0% by the LCV, indicating a radical anti-environment record.

He voted in favor of drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

He voted against factoring global warming into federal project planning.

He voted against removing oil & gas exploration subsidies when oil companies were already reporting world record profits.

[niyad]

43. he's a repuke. what the HELL would we want him on a dem ticket for?

please see the thread about him