If Obama had no probs handling Hillary and Bill - why would he have a problem with McCain?

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Lately too many people have said to me that Obama will have a tough time defeating John Mccain. I would appreciate some input to what others think about Obama vs, Mccain. (personally I believe Obama will bring McCain to his knee's.)

[LiberalAndProud]

1. I think Barrack has faced down his strongest opponent.

I've said before and will say again that either of our candiates have the ability and the potential to defeat McCain. I, for one, am glad that it's been no cake walk up to this point, because we can't expect one going forward.

[Texas Hill Country]

9. wow, do you even remember the last 2 elections? seriously.

[LiberalAndProud]

12. I remember.

I'm not saying it's a certainty, I'm saying it can be done. McCain is eminently beatable.

[Cant trust em]

2. Your premise is a little off.

He did have problems handling Hillary and Bill. This has been a tough fought contest throughout.

[stray cat]

3. Because the primaries are democratic voters and the GE is plus everyone else

[griffi94]

4. ok here's some input

mccain enjoys the reputation of being a maverick (whether or not he's a maverick i have no idea but that's his reputation) he'll appeal to the same independents that he's always appealed to.
he's been in the senate about 100 years and his record can be construed as not being hard right. he voted against the bush taxcuts.
compared to the gop idiots that are currently in charge he's a moderate so he'll pull some of the more conservative democrats that are uncomfortable with obama.
the rightwing really hates him which in my opinion really helps him with the moderates.

he doesn't appear to the public to be a bush republican, in fact he has publicly disagreed with bush on a number of occasions.


i know it's not a popular opinion here, but obama has a few negatives of his own.
he turns off many older voters who aren't comfortable with a message of change. his race will come into play in some states (that said those voters wouldn't have voted for hillary either) there are a lot more people like that than you would think. they're not sheet wearing crossburners but they will consider obamas race in their decision.

obama doesn't have much of a track record, and i don't just mean his voting record. the dust-up with rev. wright caught a lot of people by surprise. what other surprises might be lurking out there. plenty of people here say that doesn't matter, but polling data showed differently.

mccain is already well known. the people that hate him are going to always hate him, but to a lot of voters he's a reasonable moderate fiscal conservative.

obama isn't as well known and it remains to be seen how he'll hold up once he's running against mccain. imo he'll be forced to move to the center and the younger obama supporters are untested. will they turn out if he starts looking like a moderate as opposed to a liberal. will they stay on when he starts making compromises, and he will.

and lastly, the media is going to show mccain as a reasonable moderate. anything they say about him that's contentious will be to the effect that the hard right doesn't like him, and so it will actually help him with indies and conservative democrats.
i'm expecting the media to ride obama as hard as they can. everything and everyone connected to him will be under a microscope.
the rev wright type smears will be constant, as well as any questionable statements by michelle obama.

[doc03]

5. Obama may win among Democrats since

a very large portion of Democrats are black and he gets 90%+ of their votes. In the GE the Democrat gets the vast majority of the black vote anyway so there is no plus there at all for the GE. At best the Democrats haven't received better than 38% of the white male vote since LBJ and Obama will do much worse than usual IMHO. I doubt if Obama can win any traditional Red state. He will not win Ohio, WV, FL or PA. I think he may carry some of the usual solid blue states and that's it even if he wins the popular vote he can't win the Electoral College. Of course there is a good chance McCain will go bat shit crazy or get sick then Obama could pull it off.

[griffi94]

6. do you really not think

obama will win pa.
i'm not expecting him to win any deep red states, and i don't think he'll carry ohio. he might could turn va, but that will be tough with the military population there given that mccain is a war hero. that helped webb in 2006.
i don't see obama winning any state that kerry or gore lost, and i don't think he'll carry anything in the deep south.

[doc03]

13. You got Pittsburgh in the west and Philadelphia in

the east, in the middle you have a very rural state, just the people Obama insulted for clinging to guns and God. I pretty much agree with you on the rest, it just makes me sick at the mess this election has become. Somehow I think the Democratic party has turned a certain win into a loss. I know the Obama supporters don't want to believe it but the Rev. Wright, Rizko and Ayers thing is going to finish off Obama. I live in an area where Democrats outnumber Republicans 2-1 and I have yet to talk to anyone that will vote for Obama. Just today I read a column in Time magazine about Oprah distancing herself from Rev. Wright more than 10 years ago. She recognized that he could be a problem for her I don't understand why Obama didn't realize that long ago unless he really believes his rhetoric.

[madmunchie]

7. Not McCain, but the 529s and the RNC establishment and the Christian Fundamentalists

McCain is a blow out alone

[Texas Hill Country]

8. because the republicans dont care what the nytimes thinks about them...

[Bensthename]

10. Agreed.. He beat HILLARY and BILL..

Not just Hillary... Bill was campaigning just as hard as she was.. He beat two big named dem talents.. He will do the same to the one grandpa candidate..

[N4457S]

11. Because...

...Ohio and Pennsylvania are the last two places I know of where the N word is still used on a regular basis.

Look at what's happening in West Virginia. NE Ohio is loaded with hillbillies who migrated north in the fifties and sixties to work in the factories. They settled in places called Barberton and Mogadore and Wadsworth and Strongsville and Parma, and they'll never vote for Obama for President. EVER.

Gore could have won.