W. Virginians are toothless, stoopid, inbred morans? Really?

[cbayer]

Is that what this democratic party has become? Is this the party of inclusion and tolerance or the party or exclusion and hate?

Yes, many people in West Virginia are poor. Yes, many people in West Virginia have not had the privilege of higher education. And some people in West Virginia may hold longstanding prejudices that others find offensive.

But I never thought I would find myself associated with a group who could so blatantly display ignorant bigotry such as I am seeing on this site today.

The hypocrisy is startling.

Another member, "Overseas", said it better than I could:

"It saddens me to see the comments people are making. Yes it has been disheartening to see slanderous comments applied to Democrats in other regions. I have hated the HRC team's racial slurs but also detest the classist slandering done to people in rural states that I've seen here. We don't need your ugly sneering attitudes. Obama could actually win these people over because he has fought to organize disadvantaged people for many years."

[JackORoses]

1. Hussian!!!!

[TahitiNut]

12. The Hussians are coming! The Hussians are coming!

:rofl:

[Kahuna]

38. ...

:thumbsup:
:rofl:

[SoCalDem]

71. All our trees are belong to them

Hessians gave us Christmas trees..Hussians come to steal them

[AtomicKitten]

115. The Hessian?

[AllentownJake]

2. Oh the outrage

yawn

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. I don't think anybody's saying that.

Just that the toothless, stoopid, inbred moran demographic is signficantly larger.

[Shakespeare]

19. !!

:spray:



:applause:

[wvbygod]

87. Larger where? In you own mind?

Perhaps you should check you mirror for its lack of bigotry reflection.

[writes3000]

4. Agreed. I don't like racism but...we should be above some of these comments.

All West Virginians aren't racist.

And those that are can change.

[Name removed]

5. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[writes3000]

11. Yep, that describes all of us. You'd never, ever dismiss entire groups of people. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. LOL

[panader0]

21. B.S.

[Cant trust em]

36. Since when is Alabama a rich, white collar state?

Or for that matter, North Dakota, Missouri, Kansas or many of the other states that he's won?

[FrenchieCat]

6. I don't know.

Do you want to explain this to us?

[YOY]

9. Someone who is not intelligent enough to make a rational decision

I know you want a Hillerite to explain it but it's the first thing that came to mind.

[klook]

10. Wow.

I like her flying saucer pin, too.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Oh fuck me.

My mother-in-law's back from the dead, and she's voting Clinton.

[writes3000]

16. It's one person out of millions - who doesn't know how to spell a certain name. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

25. It's one racist.

In a crowd who apparently condones that sort of thing.

[writes3000]

29. Do we know she's a racist based on that picture? n/t

[Forkboy]

43. Why the emphasis on, and quotes around, the middle name?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

163. Yes, we do.

So quit playing dumb.

[Catherina]

128. It's much more than one person. They have them printed up too

Spend a little time listening to C-Span in the morning right now. The majority of WV calls are very disturbing, on all three lines.

[quakerboy]

149. Michigan state shirt?

odd that.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. is that in a Wal Mart?

it looks like it.

[Moochy]

132. She still gets to use her company credit card maybe?

Walmart Donuts and Coffee for all!

[SwampG8r]

22. we uns is all avotin for hillary

[ileus]

80. that's southern IL speak you have there.

[Guaranteed]

23. Yeah, but how do you know they're inbred? nt

[JVS]

35. "Clean coal" Bwahahahahhahah!

[cbayer]

46. It's as offensive to me as calling a group of people stoopid and inbred.

If I were there, I would confront them as not exhibiting the ideals of the Democratic Party.

[TahitiNut]

58. Sure you would.

Uppity elitist. :eyes:

[cbayer]

62. You don't believe me?

Then you don't know me.

[L0oniX]

100. Potential carney show employees?

[undeterred]

7. Well you must have missed the post in GD

on the woman expecting her 19th child, which is apparently against DU's reproductive policy. It was the most bigoted thread I've seen here, although many of the other anti-religion threads come close. So why would WV be any different? The same kind of people are being looked down on.

[AtomicKitten]

8. No, they are Republicans voting aganist Obama in the Dem primary.

[AllentownJake]

14. Latte sipping prius driving liberals

No less of a slur.

African Americans and Eggheads.

"Hardworking Whites" as others are not hardworking.

The thing is some people on the internet might be saying this but none of Obama's surrogates on TV are.

Clinton's are they are lower than low. I look forward to returning them to corporate america where they belong.

[jgraz]

18. "longstanding prejudices that others find offensive"???

Out here, we call that racism. But maybe I'm just being "elitist".

[cbayer]

26. What do you call it when someone pens posts referring to a certain groups teeth?

Over here, I call that bigotry. But maybe I'm just being a Democrat.

[jgraz]

Total non-sequitor

If these people are voting for Hillary Clinton because of her skin color, they deserve anything that's flung at them.

[cbayer]

51. If you knew why they were voting for her, then you could make a decision.

But you don't. The sign is offensive but to assume that it expresses the feelings of a whole group of people and then fling bigoted slurs at that group is ignorant.

[CitizenLeft]

120. OH PLEASE.

Classic reverse racism argument. People with no teeth can GET teeth. People with dark skin have dark skin FOREVER. Don't give me that bullshit - this apologizing for people who "hold longstanding prejudices" makes me sick to my stomach. You enable these people - you give them permission to continue to hate and discriminate and "hold prejudices."

You go, baby. You should be proud with your self-righteous bad self!

So GODDAMN SICK of the rationalizations for racism on this board.

[cbayer]

123. OH PLEASE yourself.

People who are poor can not get dental care. They are probably poor forever, whatever color they are. I'm not apologizing for anyone's prejudice just objecting to those who would ridicule any group for what they are, where they come from, what color skin they have, etc.

The people displaying their ignorant prejudices on this board are the ones being given permission to discriminate. They are being cheered on by equally bigoted and close minded people.

That's right, baby. I am always proud to stand up for people that can't stand up for themselves. Standing up for one group does not mean putting down another. Be sick all you want.

[CitizenLeft]

126. that's funny... I don't recall seeing YOU stand up...

...against the goddamn racism on this board. Your name has been absent as people go on and on and on and on and on and on about Wright this and black that and he can't win. Where the hell were you? But TEETH gets under your skin.

Fuck you and your rationalizations for people with "longstanding prejudices." I suspect you have one, too, don't you? I put all racist and racist-apologizers on ignore, and you just made the list.

[Judge_Mental]

20. Hussian Hussian Hussian

[L0oniX]

105. I am surprised that they spelled Hussian correctly.

[CarbonDate]

157. "Hussian": it's the new "MORANS".

[skipos]

24. They ARE toothless

compared to the rest of the country. I know because I have family and KY, and KY & WV usually duke it out for the title of "most toothless state." We joke about it quite a bit.
http://www.swivel.com/data_columns/spreadsheet/4074912?order_by_direction=DESC

[swishyfeet]

111. You're kidding right?!?!

:rofl:

[OnionPatch]

145. I'm more worried about the square head.

Now there's a problem for Doctor without Borders or someone.

[zabet]

27. I am sure that the many people that work at

the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services data center is in Clarksburg, West Virginia. The nearly 1,000 acre complex houses the FBI's largest division, which operates the National Crime Information Center, Uniform Crime Reporting System, Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System, and the National Incident-Based Reporting System...and the workers at the IRS's main data center is in Martinsburg, West Virginia... Data from every federal tax return filed in the United States is processed and stored at the IRS Martinsburg Computing Center. Your W4, W2, 940, and 1099 filings are processed there, too. Martinsburg also processes information for the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, which monitors large cash and other suspicious transactions and assists law enforcement with money laundering and terrorist funding investigations...

I am sure all of these people love being called 'toothless inbred racists and low information, uneducated voters.

[L0oniX]

107. I'll bet that most of them are not from WV too.

[anonymous171]

28. I can't hear you, I'm kind of busy sipping my latte. I've also misplaced my birkenstocks.

[AllentownJake]

30. LOL

:rofl:

[Bicoastal]

31. Oh blow it out your rear end and get over yourself. SERIOUSLY.

I've been insulted on this board for being young. I've been insulted on this board for having a college degree. I've been insulted on this board for, incredibly, living in Brooklyn. I've been (wrongly) called a Prius-driving, Birkenstock-wearing, Latte-sipping, trust-fund BABY. Why? Because I made the mistake of mentioning bits of information about myself, after it became known that I was an Obama voter.

So this "dark day in the history of DU" or whatever you want to call it? It's merely the continuation of a series of race-based, age-based, location-based, income-based, education-based insults coming from EACH side, aimed squarely at fellow Democrats. It's tragic, but it's hardly unusual around here since the Primaries started.

And as a person who never once used any of these derogatory remarks you mention, I outright REFUSE to apologize for other assholes making them.

[cbayer]

40. I didn't ask you for any apology nor do I expect one.

I understand that there have been many insulting generalizations during these primaries, but I take particular offense to those that would denigrate a group of people because they are underprivileged.

Majority rule, minority rights.

I'm not sure why I need to blow it out my rear end and get over myself just because I expressed an opinion. I have never personally insulted you.

[Bicoastal]

44. You're in GDP? Get used to seeing Dems behaving in particularly un-Democratic ways.

I don't like it, but neither did I create it. We all did, collectively and we're all paying for it.

I'm sorry the assholes on my side have upset you, but I can no more control them than the assholes on your side.

[cbayer]

53. I don't have a side

other than the Democratic party and the ideals I believe it stands for.

[awoke_in_2003]

61. Well, judging by your username

you can't even pick a coast, why should we let you vote :) (just fuckin with ya)

[last1standing]

32. Some people are definitely saying that - in both camps.

It's easy to stereotype people you've never met but let's not do the same in suggesting that "all" Democrats think this or even that this is coming exclusively from Obama supporters. Hillary, herself, stated that she was the one to could get white working class voters who did not have much education. While she didn't call them inbred the connotation was clear - she was going after those low information voters.

I think you know that most of us don't think that all West Virginians or all southerners meet some stereotypical rendering so let's be mature about this and realize that some people in both camps have these prejudices but many more actively work against them.

[cbayer]

41. Who pinpointed a particular candidate's supporters?

I do know that most people here do not think this way. My objection is that we as a group would tolerate this kind of bigotry. I particularly object when an underprivileged group is being targeted. It goes against everything I believe in .

[last1standing]

65. I can't argue that.

I agree that some people here are using WV and KY as easy targets for their anger and ignorance just as some others would use African Americans or undocumented workers. I have posted some good words about these states as I know from experience how warm hearted they are, in general (my family comes from KY, TN and WV).

That doesn't take away the fact that despair has left some very strong marks on them, however. When people talk about bitterness and desperation, the textbook example could be Appalachia. My family there is hurting, just as their neighbors are and have for generations. When you have generations of the neglect and servitude these people have had to endure you will often find a need for scapegoats. The corporations who use them for fodder are too large and complex to be easy targets so other oppressed groups often have to serve in their place.

By the way, the ugliest sight I've ever seen was a one beautifully forested Kentucky mountain range after it had been strip mined. :mad:

[cbayer]

69. Beautifully said.

I also have family ties in very poor places. These are some of the most susceptible and voiceless people in the country and it is our job to protect their rights.

[last1standing]

95. Wouldn't it be great to bring back the concept of "minority rights"?

So many people have been taught to believe that minority rights is only for people of color, but the reality is that it's there to keep the mob from crushing independent thoughts and creeds. In fact, if we look at minorities as those who have the least power then a majority of us could perhaps understand how the true elites have taken our rights from us.

[Cant trust em]

33. Not having a college education doesn't make you stupid

Being willfully ignorant and believing obvious lies makes you stupid.

[2rth2pwr]

34. This is where you can see the elitism out in the open. They openly laugh at

people like this, including Obama, thinking that they are better people. This is why the label effete, elitist sticks to some in the Dem party.

[Bicoastal]

37. Yeah, how DARE those elite, effete snobs label people with derogatory names!

We're ALL reaping what each side is sowing over here, pal, and don't suppose for one moment that your unfortunate name is free of grime.

[2rth2pwr]

45. A bit touchy on this isssue, aren't you?

[Bicoastal]

49. You better fucking believe I am. Personal attacks on GDP have soared, and I'm sick of apologizing

for shit that isn't my fault, from either side. I'll own up to it, but I won't apologize for it.

I am no longer my Democratic brother's keeper.

[2rth2pwr]

52. You should never apologize for shit that's not your fault.

??

[Bicoastal]

54. Well, what's the point of the OP then?

[AllentownJake]

39. Your one of the worst offenders

So you have no place to talk.

[2rth2pwr]

42. Prove it.

[AllentownJake]

48. I've had one thread locked

over the Kentucky Derby and all I said is the horse died and Hillary picked it. No joke just facts. It was a mistake in hindsite

You get a thread locked a day.

[2rth2pwr]

50. In all my time here I have had 2 locked. One I disagee with. Are you high?

Or do you just alert my posts and assume they get locked?

[AllentownJake]

60. I found 3 in 5 seconds

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5747370&mesg_id=5747370
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5728842&mesg_id=5728842
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5810571&mesg_id=5810571

Search function is a bitch.

Anyway you have nothing to add to any conversation. Welcome back to Ignore. You aren't coming back off this time.

[Forkboy]

70. Those aren't locked, just archived.

[Beausoir]

72. Uhh....those were not locked. They were archived. Big difference, einstein.

Sheesh. How embarassing for you.

[AllentownJake]

73. Oops

Well Egg on my face. Make some mistakes here and there.

Apologies I still think he's one of the worst offenders and he's still on ignore.

I'm not going back to delete cause when I do something stupid. I let it stand.

[Bicoastal]

74. If it makes you feel any better, some of these are threads that probably SHOULD have been locked...

...or at the least, heavily re-edited.

Negroid and Caucasoid genes? No such thing, dude, no such thing. Race is NOT genetically coded. Neither is favoring the left hand or right, incidentally.

[AllentownJake]

77. I saw the content and saw the lock

and I assumed that they were. Should have scrolled down. Didn't know the lock appeared on archived threads.

[2rth2pwr]

155. Tell that to Rev Wright.

[2rth2pwr]

75. I only checked one of your links and it is not a locked topic. Why lie?

[rodeodance]

152. Its not the OP that is flame-bait but Obama fans who come on flame them with name-calling

rudeness, ect ect ---they are flamers. Very seldom any discussion from most of them any more.

[L0oniX]

109. And now you know why ignored received a life sentence in my ignore dungeon.

:evilgrin:

[L0oniX]

89. Agreed. Ignore will remain in my ignore dungeon with no hope of parole.

[2rth2pwr]

104. And I'm heartbroken.

[Catherina]

130. Better laugh at racist ignorant shits, wherever you find them, than join them n/t

[Jamastiene]

47. Thank you for seeing me as human.

I'll Rec and :kick: this thread although my heart is heavy knowing that I was never really welcomed here on DU or in the party, apparently. :eyes:

[cbayer]

55. Actually, Jamastiene, you are one of the best role models here.

You may have done it, but I have never seen you show any kind of bigotry or hatred. You are what this site needs more of.

[Homer Wells]

56. I have lived in West Virginia for the past 31 years,

a good half of my life, and I am an enthusiastic Obama supporter. (former John Edwards fan). A lot of folks here are supporting Obama, and he may well do better than the pundits expect.

[cbayer]

64. So how do you like people calling West Virginians these names? nt.

[Homer Wells]

112. I personally do not give a rat's ass

what others say about my state. I have made many good friends here, and I enjoy the beauty and slower pace of life this area affords.

That being said, there are many in this region who can be safely called Rednecks, who go beyond the term "ignorant" and go straight to "stupid". (Stupid being what i see as willful ignorance, a trait that many seem to consider a good thing).

I accept this as being part of the human condition, and assume that they will always be this way, or , at the very best, that they will see the errors of their ways eventually.

[harun]

127. I think people here are just afraid Hillary might take the win she is

likely going to get and say things like it is proof she is the best person for the job, or that she has the momentum, or that she is the one who can get white voters, etc. I think people are trying to discredit the voters of WV before HC credits them.

I sure hope BO wins WV. We will see.

[IsItJustMe]

57. I did not say that and most posters here at Du are not saying that. So you take 2% of DU and make a

broad based claim. I call this the ultimate in STEROTYPING.

Get real!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cbayer]

67. You are correct.

On rereading, it does come across as a broad based claim. My point was more the question of why we would tolerate this kind of bigotry on a progressive democratic site. I was not trying to call out the 98% of posters you refer to, just the other 2% that are making this a place of hatred and intolerance.

[mtf80123]

59. Bravo!

"It saddens me to see the comments people are making. Yes it has been disheartening to see slanderous comments applied to Democrats in other regions. I have hated the HRC team's racial slurs but also detest the classist slandering done to people in rural states that I've seen here. We don't need your ugly sneering attitudes. Obama could actually win these people over because he has fought to organize disadvantaged people for many years."

Cbayer, Pay no attention to the Troglodites.

The only thing that matter is that a Dem is elected to the highest office.

The Primaries are (almost) over, and it is obviouse we have a winner.

Your job is to educate the masses to ensure that we move forward.

Trust me... I have seen meany blogs downgrading my own state (Colorado). But we are in a fine possition now. Liberal Governor (2006) and Dems controlling both the House and Senate in only the last 2 years!! Try not to worry so much. Our great country differs from county to county.

I have a feeling the majority of folks in your state will support the Dem nominee no matter who it is. At least I hope so.

I started out supporting Clinton, but now support Obama, but I also know your state supports Clinton overwhelmingly. But that is OK too. The only thing that matters is that "whom ever the final candidate may be" we must "circle the wagons".

Otherwise, we are fucked as a nation and a people. Save the Earth of course.

Chin up!

The Whole World is counting on us all!

Best regards :)

[cbayer]

76. I want to be on your team!

The whole world is counting on us and we can not become the party of hate and intolerance. We just can't.

BTW, I don't live in West Virginia, but I have visited their and other parts of Appalachia many times. I also lived in Louisiana for over 20 years. These are some of the poorest, least represented, most abused people in the country. I can not tolerate my Democratic party victimizing them.

Majority rule, minority rights.

Thanks for your really uplifting reply.

[mtf80123]

97. Namaste!

Hopefully we will not "become the party of hate and intollerance".

I do not think I could bear it if we did.

I have already had my say in the Caucus back in February. Your say happens tomorrow.

Our future depend not on Clinton or Obama. It relies on our vote and support of the Dem nominee in the end.

We cannot afford 4 - 8 years of more of the same.

We will die as a nation if we do nothing positive.

[JuniperLea]

63. Band wagoneers... cheerleaders... yay team!

Yeah, I'm pretty fed up with the nonsense myself. There is nothing liberal or progressive about the WV threads... I felt the need to use the ignore button... I can't tolerate a bigot, and there are dozens on those threads. I don't care who you are voting for or whether I agree with you, if you're a bigot, welcome to IgnoreLand.

[madmom]

66. Bigotry is bigotry no matter who it's against, and it's NOT a dem value!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. I Literally Dated A Coalminer's Daughter And I Never Heard Her Utter A Bigoted Word

For what's it worth...

[Bicoastal]

79. Sang like an angel, though...

[DemocratSinceBirth]

81. She Didn't Sing

The most remarkable thing about her was how quiet she was...

But those folks lead hard scrabble lives...

[Bicoastal]

82. I was going for a Loretta Lynn reference.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. I Know

That was actually a great movie... Great performances from a young Tommy Lee Jones and Sissy Spacek...

Now, I don't care for Loretta Lynn's Republican leanings...She was all buddy buddy with Bush Pere during the 88 race...

[L0oniX]

78. Hillbillies?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0FGfzjf0AHE&feature=related

[pompano]

92. I had always thought....

perhaps it was an unfortunate and unfair connotation with Lindie Englund?

Other than that, everybody of every demographic occasionally gets picked at. I am from the south and nothing tickles me more than a good "redneck" joke from time to time.

Demographic jokes tease people about behavior-thats inbounds.

Ethnic jokes tease people about who they are-thats out of bounds.

My .02's worth. :shrug:

[Ioo]

83. I live here, and I be as smart as me wanted to be...

hehe, no really, we are not all tards... the Eastern Panhandle is full of bright progressive folks

[sniffa]

84. Ow! Oh why are they doing this to me!? Ow! Why are they doing this to me!?

[BlooInBloo]

86. zing.

[cbayer]

90. Not sure where you are coming from Sniffa.

I said nothing about Clinton or Obama or their particular supporters in the OP. I was talking about the prejudice and bigotry that is being displayed on this site. It is prejudice and bigotry towards a particularly underprivileged portion of our country and that is what I object to.

[sniffa]

94. Coming from the self-crucifixion angle

Yes you mentioned none of what you said here, but your angle is clear.

[cbayer]

101. Well, it can't be that clear, because you didn't see it.

What do you suppose my angle is?

[sniffa]

106. The woe is me angle

You post enough of it to know what's coming.

You're not the only one, and you're not the only one who is now going to get this reply until the primary ends at the earliest. Granted, you tend to come from a different starting point but you're still gunning for the same end point.

[cbayer]

124. You are so off base.

It has always been my goal to stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves. I believe in the rights of the minority and challenge prejudice and bigotry where I see it. There is no self pity here and I do not sit in either of these ridiculous DU camps.

[lumpy]

131. Why in the name of God do you continue to attack

Clinton supporters? You say Obama has it in the bag, yet you continue to make threats like: "... you're not the only one who is now going to get this reply until the primary ends at the earliest". Some of us are not the enemy, most of us have already cast our votes in the primaries, so this BS wil not change the primary outcome. Do you get some vicarious thrill out of stirring the pot?

[sniffa]

158. Well

because it's fucking tiresome. It's not like this is some new shit - it's been going on for weeks if not months with some people, the constant self-flagellation and victimhood.

And yes, that's a threat. :eyes:

[lumpy]

125. Misogyny is not a true progressive ideal, nor is religious

bigotry.

[lumpy]

121. That cartoon is offensive and clearly misogynistic. Clinton is

not playing the martyr, no way. This would certainly not appeal to Obama's religious base either. Some of you Obamaites are going way out in RIGHT field with your thoughtless crap ahainst Clinton. Not funny and ineffective and unappropriate to post crap like this on DU forum. Shitty thing to do.

[rodeodance]

151. Your post is typical of school-yard bully behavior from so many Obama folk here on DU.

[indimuse]

156. what?

[BlooInBloo]

88. "prejudices that others find offensive" - Those negroes are SOOO SENSITIVE!!!

[cbayer]

91. I made no reference to particular kinds of prejudice.

I was acknowledging that prejudice exists. I have spent time in W. Virginia. Most of the people I have met are not racist. They have more prejudice against privileged white people in my experience. If you are trying to imply that I am a racist because I made that statement, I take offense.

[BlooInBloo]

93. Hush. You were exemplary in avoiding saying anything that meant anything.

[cbayer]

102. You've really made an art out of insulting people, haven't you?

I guess everyone has their talents.

[spoony]

150. You give them far too much credit

Frequency and talent aren't necessarily the same thing, after all. What they are adept at, though, is conjuring racist epithets from thin air. Maybe a projection thing, some kind of inner struggle. In any case, your OP was good. People just hate being called on their crap.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

96. Obama is the only one who is sincerely fighting for the 'have nots'

note the word sincerely

[McCamy Taylor]

98. You help the poor by embracing them. Read the liberation theologists. You become one with

them. You empower them to help themselves. So much of the problem is that they feel ashamed and shit upon and ignored and reviled. Ignoring them does not make the problem better. Every person who has ever done any kind of social work with an under privileged group knows that you do not toss money down from above. You work with the group, helping it to find its strength, giving it gentle nudges while it comes up with its own solutions.

Obama turned his face away from West Virginia. Jesse Jackson did not do that in 1988, even though the polls said that he would lose. I voted for Jesse Jackson in the 1988 Democratic Primary without any reservation. He was exactly the kind of man I wanted to have as president. I had no reservations about his commitment to social justice.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

108. Obama has been campaigining in west Virginia and has done social work for many years

he has also spent many years in social work, community work, helping to empower have nots. He has worked with the groups from the bottom up. Make no mistake.

[cbayer]

114. Exactly it.

That is where I have come from. My father is a liberation theologian and it is so deeply embedded in me. I make the false assumption that others understand this.

Your article today was really good. I applaud your work.

[Butch350]

99. I support Obama

And I agree with you.

However I would feel really insulted if a candidate continued to say that they are
popular with a group of people who are a non-degree, uneducated, working class.

[PretzelWarrior]

103. in our modern world, I think ignorant racist types should be

discriminated against. but that's me. I feel our world is swimming in opportunities to widen our horizons. Those same computers that many are getting off with porn at are the computers that could connect them to other people of all colors, religions, backgrounds, etc.

The fact that people DON'T do so shows their laziness and ignorance. Does the fact that people are SO COMPLETELY overwhelmingly for Hillary despite the fact that she has no chance to beat this black guy in the primary mean they are racist? No, but it does give one pause. Why is this state so overwhelmingly for Hillary when even North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama, etc. are not? Because take the southern man's racism and subtract the black people from the equation and you have an unreconstructed view of the world that is isolated in the back woods.

SOrry. I calls them as I sees them.

[Wetzelbill]

117. I cannot sit by and let you insult porn like that

Porn single-handedly -poor word choice - taught me how to utilize a computer and the internet. If it wasn't for the allure of free porn I may not have ever broadened my horizons and entered this century. So have some respect. :)

[smalll]

118. "I feel our world is swimming in opportunities to widen our horizons."

"The fact that people DON'T do so shows their laziness and ignorance."

Why are so many Obama supporters sounding like up-by-your-own-bootstraps Republicans? Seems to me, all it would take would be for Rush to start wearing Birkenstocks and using the Grateful Dead for bumper music, and he could have a whole new audience of dittoheads.

[thatsrightimirish]

110. I'm sorry you're offended

But I just read an article and the reporter was talking to a person who voted for Gore and Kerry, but is not voting for Obama because his dad is from Nigeria. If you hate people from Africa at least get the country right. Another article said that a man was voting for Clinton because Michelle Obama is an atheist. Do these people reflect all West Virginians? No. But some people are predicting a 90-10/80-20 victory there, which I believe has not happened in any other state. Certainly in no state this late in the election.

[smoogatz]

113. I grew up in SE Ohio, about a half-hour drive from Parkersburg, WV.

Even though the county I grew up in was (and remains) the third poorest in Ohio, it was a paradise of affluence, education and progressivism compared to pretty much anything on the other side of the Ohio river. While all the classist name-calling is despicable, it's true that much of Appalachia is stuck in a kind of cultural, political and economic vortex from which there's no easily evident means of escape. Wherever white poverty is rampant, racism tends to follow—it's all about economic competition, and the sense that many poor, rural whites have that programs like affirmative action stack the deck even more thoroughly against them. WV and KY also have two of the worst public school systems in the U.S., not because their citizens wouldn't like better schools, but because their median incomes and property values are so low. It's easy to sneer and stereotype, especially if you're the kind of classist creep that's given to sneering at and stereotyping the rural poor, but the rest of us should try to remember that Appalachia isn't some third world nation: the system that perpetuates the poverty, lack of education and lack of opportunity there is the same corporatist system most of us despise. If you want to be a real progressive, fight mountaintop removal and the literal destruction of what's left of Appalachia's environment, culture and economy. If you want to play a snide, sneering, elitist douchebag posing as a progressive on the internets, keep up the inbreeding jokes, by all means.

[Wetzelbill]

116. Wetzel County

I am a freaking legend there. If I can't win W.Va then I might have to pull out of this race.

Vote Wetzelbill/Kurovski '08

[VotesForWomen]

119. Bottom line is: if Obamites keep this stuff up, O will definitely lose the GE if he gets the nom. pe

people don't like to be threatened with being called a racist if they don't vote for a particular candidate. that shit may have worked in the dem primary, but it will not work in the GE.

[thewiseguy]

135. Bottom line is that you STFU and dont call Obama supporters names

People do not like to be called names.

[cbayer]

139. You understood my OP perfectly.

People do not like to be called names. Whether you meant to or not, you got it because you know it to be true.

[Buzz Clik]

122. So. Some idiot makes this wrong-headed comment, and you assign it to all at DU?

Or all Obama supporters?

I suggest you go after the idiot who said it.

[cbayer]

129. I did not assign it to all DU or all Obama supporters.

I object to the fact that this kind of bigotry is found here at all, let alone tolerated and even cheered. I said absolutely nothing about the culprits being a part of one camp or another. And it was a lot more than one person. Just look at this thread. It's rampant. Should I go after them all individually?

[Buzz Clik]

159. Yes, you should go after them individually.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

133. Yes, really.

All of them.

Because I've met them all.

Stoopid and inbred every last one of them, including my cousin/sister/aunt.

[gabby garcia]

134. see Occam's razor

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[Goodnevil]

154. Correction: ALOT of them are from Arkansas

I should know - I live there.
Point is, I live there. Needless to say if I live there, there absolutely MUST be intelligent people somewhere in the aforementioned states, no?

LOL

[PurityOfEssence]

137. The Old and Southerners: fair game for the cognoscenti

Many of our Southern brothers and sisters have pointed it out repeatedly in the seven years I've been a habitue of this august and stimulating hell-hole: they're the group that seems to be universally dismissable by the smug, cosmopolitan lefty choir. There's a lot of truth to that, and it's not good.

There's a sanctimonious streak to the human critter, and it seems to be pretty broad and quite an equal-opportunity affliction. Witness all the "Mcthuselah" and "Grampa McLame" posts, too: it's perfectly fine to slag and humiliate our seniors, even though there's a deep and obvious cruelty to doing so, as well as an arrogant dismissal of the value of experience.

The sad dynamic of the downtrodden is that they tend to grant themselves a moral waiver from the comportment they demand of others. This manifests itself in the many japes and dismissals of the pigment-challenged waspyfolk and in many other snide and backhanded rejoinders along the way.

Identifying oneself as an unfairly trampled victim is a sure-fire fast-track to sanctimoniousness for many, when it should be a calm path to understanding and pluralism.

Fuck that crap, though, people who don't like my candidate are subhuman, and even if some unsavory sorts love my hero, they're really not all that bad and it's not their fault anyway, you unmitigated so-and-so.

The beat goes on.

Rest assured: this all comes back to haunt us in the end, and for a party that's supposed to be about inclusion, flailing accusations against vast groups is not only counterproductive, it's deeply hypocritical and just plain obvious.

Sigh. What a mess.

[cbayer]

138. I stay here because there are people like you.

I guess it is the nature of the internet forum that prohibits leadership. The strong and clear voices like yours are rarely heard. Here you have posted one of the most compelling thoughts I have read on this site, and it will be buried. Few will see it and many will miss the opportunity to be inspired. The leaders on this board are bullies. The true leaders are merely watching.

What a mess indeed.

[mtf80123]

142. cbayer

Remember what I told you about "Troglodites"?

Both Obamatons and Clintonista's are going to fiercly attack you tonight for your vote tomorrow. You don't have to explain anything to anyone.

Just vote your heart and support "Whom Ever" the Dem nominee will be in June.

[PurityOfEssence]

144. Same back at ya

Amid the din, it's often hard to keep in mind that we're not all alone.

That was very nice, and you're right: the shadow world is very alive. Many of the most sentient of the beings around here ARE actually around here right now; they're just so jostled by the immediate prospects that they seem to merely watch more than post.

It promises to be a very eventful year, so take it as it comes and take care.

[Carrieyazel]

140. They can't spell Barack Hussein Obama right.

[Alcibiades]

141. BTW, yachting is hyper-elitist

Just so you know.

I can make fun of these folks because they are my folks, the way you can make fun of your folks for mishandling rope on the boat or whatever it is your class of people do.

[cbayer]

143. You bet it is.

It's a totally alternative lifestyle that not many have the opportunity to experience. I am extraordinarily lucky and thankful to live on my boat and live so simply.

You are also right about this: I can make fun of boaters, but not people who live in trailer parks.

[Alcibiades]

146. My one of my college roommates lived on a boat

Family owned a boat dealership, so I know those people a little. I was amused by the disdain he showed for motorboat (OK, I don't even remember if they called them motorboats, but you know what I mean--boats with motors rather than sails) people--from where I stood, they had a lot more in common with the sailing people than they did with my people, who are strictly bass-boat types.

Happy sailing! :toast:

[cbayer]

147. We call them POWER boats and we do indeed have disdain for them.

Bass boats are cool too. We do indeed have more in common than we have differences.

:toast: cheers

[southlandshari]

148. My friend....

this Alabama DUer feels your pain.

:hug:



This is nothing new. Just do a search on threads about the red and blue states during the last quarter of 2004.

:yoiks:

[iamthebandfanman]

153. i dont think anybodys making fun of under educated people

merely suggesting that being under educated could be a reason there is so much bigotry...

id imagine there is a strong relationship between the two... wonder if theres been a study done?

[OzarkDem]

160. Imagine the outrage

if similar comments were made about other minority groups. Given that sexism seems to flower here also, I'd say many of the Obama supporters, who cry "racism" at every opportunity are actually rather selective in their bigotry. Its a sign of poor upbringing and low thinking.

Real Democrats don't think this way.

[Bentcorner]

161. It's one of the prices people have to pay when they choose

not to support Obama.

[Freedom Train]

162. It shows you who the real bigots are, for sure.

Hint: Obama supporters.

:puke: