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Hawkeye-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:40 PM
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Who's the real US Citizen: Barack Obama or John McCain?
Edited on Mon May-12-08 07:42 PM by HawkeyeX
Both of their citizenships were recently under question - Barack born in Honolulu Hawaii to an American mother and a Kenyan father - to me, that's a US citizen.

But I know nothing of John McCain who was actually born in the Panama Canal Zone. For all I know, he could be an illegal Panamanian residing in the US, masquerading as an American.

:sarcasm: firmly set.

If you don't know your history about PCZ - you need to review it - it was a U.S. territory until, I believe, 1999.

ON EDIT. Interesting factoid here:

Almost from the inception of the Canal Zone, questions arose as to whether the Zone was considered part of the United States for constitutional purposes, or, in the phrase of the day, whether the Constitution followed the flag. On July 28, 1904, Controller of the Treasury Robert Tracewell stated, "While the general spirit and purpose of the Constitution is applicable to the zone, that domain is not a part of the United States within the full meaning of the Constitution and laws of the country.<4> In 1953, Congress passed legislation to specify the status of Americans born in the Canal Zone--and to exclude non-Americans born there from citizenship. Title 8, Section 1403 of the United States Code grants citizenship to those born in the Canal Zone with at least one parent who is a United States citizen. This differs from the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment which grants citizenship to all born in the United States, regardless of parental nationality.


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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:44 PM
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1. As they are BOTH U.S. Senators, it's a moot point.

Being a U.S. citizen is a requirement to be elected to the Senate. As they are both Senators, they must both be U.S. citizens.

That's pretty much the only thing you need to answer people with who come up with this crap.
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:48 PM
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3. Yes but they have to be natural born to become president.
Edited on Mon May-12-08 07:50 PM by stratomagi
I am a US citizen but I attained citizenship in 1989 because I was born in Romania, therefore I could be a senator someday but never a president. There was some question a few months back as to whether Panama Canal zone counts as born in the US.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:47 PM
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2. They're both Americans. Obama can handle himself. Leave Grandpa Simpson alone! nt
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-12-08 07:49 PM
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4. Can't be a Senator unless you're a citizen...
What we really need to ask is where the hell is Mrs. McCain's tax returns?

They made damn sure both Clintons released theirs! And what about Mrs. Kerry?
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