Attention to the "Hillary women" on CNN this morning?

[sasquatch]

I was in the dentist office for 2.5 hours this morning.
x(
I had them put the television on CNN to distract me from the unbearable nightmare of have this man jackhammer away in my mouth. Anyway while I was watching CNN on the television they had a segment about female Hillary voters. They had 6 Hillary voters rangeing in ages from 20's to their 60's. The interviewer asked if Barack Obama was our nominee if they would vote him and only two of the women raised their hands (both of them were the younger women). When they asked the women why they wouldn't vote for Obama they gave answers that just inflamed me. One said she would probably vote for McCain (she seemed to be in her 60's) and another stated she would either not vote or vote for McCain (she seemed to be in her 40's). Their justification was that "it was time for a woman president" and if not her, "why not". Basically these two meatheads are going to destroy our Republic if they don't get their way by allowing McCain to give us a third Bush term. Ladies you thought it was bad before women had the right to vote yoyu outta see what a neo-con dominated supreme court will do.
- McCain will nominate candidates for the courts that will greenlight warrantless stipsearches for women.
- McCain will hamper voter rights.
- McCain will blow more of our treasury and American lives in the deserts of Iraq and eventually Iran.


I know I can't force you to do anything you don't want to do, but please take your nations welfare into account before you throw us into the toilet.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. If they vote for McCain, they're Republicans.

Fuck 'em.

[knixphan]

96. ditto.

[tyne]

2. Why do they

fault...or want to punish Obama, the party, and the country because Hillary didn't win?

I'd like some answers.

[Skip Intro]

15. Obama's supporters pushed me away from him. After all the hate-filled, arrogant bullshit

I have had the displeasure to see here and elsewhere, I want nothing to do with that kind of supposed hope and change. It is not sour grapes - nothing to do with it. It is seeing the ambassadors of the *movement* and their *hope and change* in action. The arrogance and name-calling and insults - and they have no idea what they have done. I do not want any part of it. You can keep my seat on that ride. I will wait for the next train.

[scheming daemons]

19. Fine... go re-register Republican if that's how you feel.... Obama IS the Democratic nominee....

[Skip Intro]

26. Love it or leave it, eh? Yeah, that is so...Democratic? Tell you what, sd,

I will vote my conscience and you vote yours. Heres to Dem super majorities in in the House and Senate!

[Rainbowreflect]

53. I have been disgusted by what some Obama supporters have

said and done, but I have seen just as bad from Clinton supports to Obama supporters. None of those attacks will stop me from voting for the Democratic nominee.
We cannot blame a candidate for everything that one of their supporters has said or done.

[newmajority]

94. "Heres to Dem super majorities in in the House and Senate!"

which will be made possible by all the new voters who signed up to vote for Barack Obama. It's already happening..........

[Arugula Latte]

108. You will have to leave DU in a few weeks, then.

Obama will be the nominee and this crap won't be tolerated. Buh Bye! :hi:

[iconicgnom]

23. oh, it's you again, Kyle. still feeling bitter, I see. n/t

[sasquatch]

25. Mama rules!

:evilgrin:

[PatGund]

82. Fools! They will all suffer the wrath of KYLE!!!

Seriously, one of Jim's best characters to date. :-)

[Skip Intro]

31. another ray of sunshine

no, not bitter, hopeful

you know about hope, right?

I used to think it was a few messengers that were full of shit, but it I have come to realize it is the message itself.

Keep up the good work!

[damntexdem]

28. If we Obama backers would hold our noses and vote for HRC were she the candidate, and yes we can, ..

then Hillary backers can likewise hold their noses and vote for Obama.

To vote for McCain is not only Rethuglican, it's downright idiocy.

If you can't vote for Obama, at least have the decency to not vote at all for president.

[Skip Intro]

35. Never ever said I would vote for McCain. But the top of the ticket is not the only race.

And I really am not in need of being lectured on decency by Obama supporters.

[Beacool]

41. They are way too funny and hypocritical, aren't they?

They have treated Hillary and her supporters like trash for months and now they get all self righteous because some of us refuse to vote for the empty suit.

:eyes:

[Skip Intro]

50. It's mindboggling. I've even seen some proclaim that we should leave the party -

that it's a new party, and Hillary supporters are not welcome.


Funny and sad at once.


*you must kneel before Obama, or you are no longer a Democrat*


uh...no thanks.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

46. I don't blame you, McCain and Hillary very similiar on many issues like bombing Iran, Iraq war vote.

Hillary supporters prefer a man who wants to bomb Iran, Hillary threatens to Obliterate Iran.

They shared the same vote for Iraq war.

Neither will bring us health care or change.

[Skip Intro]

52. Does this look like change to you?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5949112&mesg_id=5949112


btw, Obama has had very harsh words for Iran, hell, he threatened to put troops in Pakistan against that country's wishes - onto the *right battlefields* I believe was his terminology. and you can ask Obama about his shifting position on the vote he never had to make, and about war-monger Kerry's vote on the IWR. You can probably find them side by side on some stage somewhere.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

79. Guess you're going to LOVE McCain's supporters then.

:crazy:

[seabeyond]

83. at least i dont want hillary for what hillary has done, not what her supporters have done

i cannot believe any reasonable person would not vote for a person in elective office, regardless of his ability because of posters on a message board.

about blows my mind

[Hieronymus]

99. You'll, no doubt, be pleased with a third Bush term and the right ...

wingnut judges that will be appointed to the Supreme Court.

[LaurenG]

100. What?

"Obama's supporters pushed me away from him" This is utter bullshit!

How about: Clinton supporters pushed me away from her! Sounds really stupid doesn't it?


I am so sick of the victim mentality, whining, immature things that come out of some Hillary supporters that I could scream.

So what, you hate Obama supporters, what the hell does that have to do with him? :nuke:

[Bill McBlueState]

105. But none of Obama's supporters are running for President

Why do you care how people on the internet act? They won't be the ones appointing Supreme Court justices.

I'm going to vote in the GE for the candidate who won't keep us in Iraq for 100 years or appoint anti-choice judges. How a candidate's supporters behave is somewhat less important to me than his or her positions on the issues.

[peacebaby3]

106. I hope you are joking. If you would allow some anonymous posters

on a message board or any other "supporter" of a candidate make you vote against your own self-interest, you have lost your mind.

As a woman, I can't imagine that you would vote McCain or sit-it-out. Do you know what will happen to this country if the SCOTUS moves to the right anymore? As a woman, you should realize what impact that has on women as well as many other segments of our society.

When this primary started, I had already chosen Obama as my candidate. I agreed with him on most issues (other than Kucinich - who I consider unelectable - sorry) and I also agreed with his Lincoln philosophy of defeating your enemy which I have used most of my life and 9 out of 10 times succeed. I also really liked Hillary Clinton, but couldn't support her because she would not apologize for her IWR vote which affected my family personally. Unfortunately, I have lost all respect for Hillary & Bill Clinton now because of the way they have run their campaign in this primary. I also have seen some of the most vile posts from her supporters on this board as well which shows that what you see on this board is all about perspective. Having said that, if Hillary Clinton is the nominee (although it is nearly impossible at this stage), I will absolutely vote for her because to do anything else would be idiotic.

[FrenchieCat]

3. They must be Anti-Choice Neocons, cause that is what McCain't is.

Or I guess they are willing to betray the entire women's movement work that has to date insured a woman's choice. Guess they are more interested in making a point about one woman. How drole!

[Clintonista2]

37. They can choose Mccain (who is anti-abortion) or Obama (who skips abortion votes by voting present)

More of the same from Obama and Mccain.

[cici4691]

80. Abortion is a one issue scare tactic. We didnt like when Repugs use it.

So why are the DEMS now trying to use it against other DEMS. If McCain wins he will have a Democratic congress that will not change RvW nor will they allow Scalias to be confirmed for the SC. McCain will have to moderate his stand if he wants to get anything done at all.

We didn't like it when Republicans used abortion as a way to manipulate it's voters into choosing candidates so why are we doing the same thing now?

BTW, I'm pro-choice and not supporting McCain.

[still_one]

4. Those women who said they would vote for mccain obviously are liars about voting for Hillary,

are voting for Hillary ONLY because she is a woman, or are complete idiots who have no idea what the issues are

I suspect it is the first option, they are lying, because I do NOT see any Hillary supporters voting for mccain if she doesn't get the nomination. However, I do see them not voting

[rucky]

89. I personally know several who fall into that category.

and got the marching orders from Rush.

I wouldn't be surprised if this was a Luntz focus-group trick.

[Justitia]

5. Since they are past reproductive age, maybe they'll give a shit when he privatizes their Soc Sec!

Obviously, they don't give a shit how many are being slaughtered in Iraq (on either side of the conflict).

[murielm99]

11. Sexist stereotyping bullshit. n/t

[Justitia]

27. Huh? Wasn't this post about 2 women voting for the anti-choicer???

:crazy:

[murielm99]

72. Huh? Wasn't your post mocking them for being past

reproductive age and ready for retirement?

I don't like the idea of anyone voting for McCain. But you are just plain nasty.

[Justitia]

73. No, actually I wasn't. But you go ahead and champion the McCain voters. I think they suck. -eom

[JVS]

16. I hope they like the taste of cat food.

:evilgrin:

[damntexdem]

30. And in the meantime, they will be hurt when he destroys employer-based health insurance ...

without replacing it with anything any better.

[Barack_America]

6. She ran a horrible campaign. Get over it.

Not you, of course. Them.

[high density]

7. Have they voted for men in the past?

If so, what is different this time? The woman candidate ran and lost because of reasons beyond her gender. Now we move on to a different phase.

[NorthernSpy]

8. So in the end, they're just going to be dogs in the manger...

Figures.

[Peregrine Took]

9. And no "Obie-bots" said they would vote for McNasty if their Messiah didn't

get the nomination??? Hmmmmmm.....

[sasquatch]

13. I sure as hell didn't

I don't like Hillary because she's DLC, she endorsed the Republican over Democrat, and she's always willing to give the neo-cons whatever their little hearts disire. But she's 1 billion times better than grammpy McSame.

[democrattotheend]

29. Actually, I haven't met any who said they would, or seen any in the blogosphere

I have seen plenty of Obama supporters who say they would vote third party, write in Obama, or leave the box blank. But I don't think I have met a single Obama supporter in the blogosphere or in real life who said they would vote for McCain.

[murielm99]

10. Instead of picking on the ladies, do some asking around on

your own.

I was shocked. My uncle, a reliable Democrat and a DFLer, is voting for Al Franken AND McSame if Obama is the nominee. Nothing will budge him.

I have spoken to some of the men in my precinct, all older gentlemen. I found a retired navy man who will vote for Clinton or McSame, and a couple of others in their fifties who will not vote for Obama under any circumstances.

[Binka]

18. Your Precinct Is 95% WHITE Muriel

We KNOW why they aren't supporting Obama. For the same reason you won't. Disgusting. Shame on you. Shame.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

87. Then they're Republicans.

[truebrit71]

12. To Clinton women that vote for McCain "all your womb are belong to us"...

...it's that fucking simple...

[JVS]

14. Let those dumbfucks do their thing. Register more voters with brains.

[K Gardner]

17. Hillary has single-handedly set the "women's movement" back 100 years.

[Texas Hill Country]

21. ridiculous.

[sasquatch]

22. Sexist pig

:silly:

[indimuse]

32. Why do you Hate Hillary so much K???

really..?

[GarbagemanLB]

33. because of insane followers like yourself?

[Justitia]

34. I think she has a bit of a point there. -eom

[Starbucks Anarchist]

58. Why do you hate Obama so much?

[ShortnFiery]

97. Don't you wonder, just a little, that there may be valid reasons to NOT like HRC when so MANY people

express such sentiments? Or are we all just DISMISSED AS Clinton/Hillary/Women - HATERS?

It must be nice to live in such a simplistic and self-righteous world - Hillaryland. :(

[Beacool]

54. That's utter nonsense!!! n/t

[EFerrari]

56. No kidding. n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

85. Couldn't agree more

[Texas Hill Country]

20. warrantless strip searches?

[sasquatch]

24. Alito ok'd those as a judge in the past

[2rth2pwr]

63. Twisting cases to scare people hurts the cause.

[sasquatch]

64. What is there to twist, he fucking did it, that's the truth

[2rth2pwr]

66. Where's the truth here- "McCain will nominate candidates for the courts that will greenlight

warrantless strip searches"?

[sasquatch]

67. McCain said he will put more Alitos on the court

[2rth2pwr]

68. Let me get this straight, you would support drug dealers being able to use children to hide illegal

drugs on because they know that they can't be searched?

[sasquatch]

70. You want to give poplice a blank check to strip search children?

[2rth2pwr]

71. Why can't you answer the question?

[sasquatch]

74. I already answered it and nice right wing talking points by the way

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

90. wants police to strip search a child, doesn't want police to interfere with rape of child

have you noticed this with the right.

for a cop to strip search a child it is totally ok. for a cop to stop a bunch of old fart men from raping our children (flds) they are up in arms about cop interference

really saying something about the right wing pig male

[sasquatch]

91. Exactly and this person thinks that this is a valid political position

[seabeyond]

93. no he doesnt. just has a thing for young girls.... and trying to justify it by

women are things to men like these.

[sasquatch]

95. "He treats objects like women man!"

:rofl:
Random thought that popped up in my mind when I read your post.

[eleny]

36. Turning their backs on the younger generations of women

Just about insuring the loss of the right to choose if they voted McCain or not at all.

I watched this report and btw I'm 61. It was appalling. But in the end I called "bullshit". Those women are desperate for Clinton to win the nom and are talking out of their asses at this point.

The two young women in the back row who said they'd vote for Obama in the general? I was thinking they ought to roll up some newspapers and start whacking heads left and right.

[sasquatch]

38. Yeah, it's M.A.D. for our country is what they're doing

If Hillary doesn't get it then they mutually assured us that they'll destroy our country just to get back at us.

[eleny]

43. Destroy all the things they worked hard to achieve

It doesn't make any sense. That's why I think they'll vote for our nominee whoever it is.

Making it about gender at this point with the SCOTUS so close to the tipping edge makes this election as serious as it gets for women's rights. So there's a disconnect in their thinking as they've stated it. They'll vote Dem.

[Beacool]

39. Sorry, still can't vote for the smoke and mirrors guy.

:shrug:

[Avalux]

42. Do you have any daughters?

Or any sons for that matter? McCain would realistically send your sons to war and stack the supreme court to take away the right to choose.

I am sure anything I have to say is pointless though; seems you've already decided this is the best way to go.

[Beacool]

45. We've had this conversation before.

The only way that I could bring myself to vote for Obama is if Hillary was also on the ticket. Otherwise, I'll either abstain or write-in her name. I will, though, vote for the other Dems. on the ballot.

[eleny]

44. You're promoting a right wing Supreme Court?

I don't believe it for a second. Good try but no sale.

[Beacool]

47. I'm not promoting anything.

I'm only answering honestly how I plan to vote, or not vote, come November.

[eleny]

51. One thing leads to another - you know that

If you sit on your hands and not vote for the Dem or if you vote for McCain, you'll be insuring the loss of choice.

Blood will be on your hands when women die from unsafe, illegal abortions as they did before abortion rights were set in place. There's no whitewashing it over.

I'm not letting you off the hook. Live with it.

[burythehatchet]

60. Don't do it. Vote for McCain. We will have the president we deserve, and we are indeed

a nation of idiots.

[TexasObserver]

40. No doubt women who seldom vote for the Democratic nominee will vote for McCain

Of Hillary's voters, about one fourth of them will vote for McCain - some of whom are really Republicans, and some of whom are nominally Democrats who vote Republican in the fall.

There are going to be some old women who will vote for McCain, but it's mainly because they're old and white, and fall into that group of old white racists who get their granny panties in a bunch thinking about a black man as president. They will be offset by indies and Republicans who vote for Obama.

I have no doubt that there are women who will shoot themselves in the foot by voting for McCain, because when grandma gets her Mad On, rational thinking does not prevail.

[Beacool]

48. Oh, please........

I'm Obama's age and I know plenty of other women who are younger than myself who have no intention of voting for Obama if he's the nominee.

[GarbagemanLB]

57. So you surround yourself with Republicans?

Fuck Roe v. Wade! Hillary lost fairly, but my EGO is too bruised to care about the issues! It is all about revenge!!!

You either have some really stupid friends or they have been Republicans all along.

[Beacool]

103. Stupid friends?

I'm talking about campaign people, many supporters and plenty of highly educated people who can see right through the empty suit candidate. You picked him, you vote for him. I don't feel obligated to do so.

[eleny]

49. I do agree that they were probably never Dems to begin with

It makes me wonder why they bother supporting Clinton, then. If not Hillary, because she's a woman, then important women's issues can be trashed and it's fine with them.

Like I said above, there's a disconnect. No wonder we had lots of fights in the women's movement back in the day. Petulance and ego remain a constant to our detriment.

[TexasObserver]

55. It's weird, because Hillary's candidacy sends the wrong message:

And that message is "Who you married is who you are!"

It's the opposite of a feminist message, which would applaud the many women who have climbed up through the ranks in politics the past 30 years, on their own. When your biggest selling point is who you're married to, that's evidence that you're not getting there on your own steam.

Her candidacy is an insult to the Barbara Boxers, the Nancy Pelosis, and all the others who have labored to ascend the ranks of politicians through service.

[eleny]

59. Did you see the E.J. Dionne article posted around here this morning?

He talked about her candidacy taking a leap when Bill was put more into the background and she came forward as a champion of the working class. It was after the disaster of South Carolina where Bill made a mess.

I think she was emerged from his shadow too late.

Perhaps that was all adjusting message as the campaign spiraled downward after Super Tuesday. I'm a cynic. But his article touches the issue you raise. In fact, your thoughts seem to be be a good response to his article. In the final analysis, her path to office was paved by his successes. She'll never know her own strengths because of their historic pact.

[VotesForWomen]

61. yeah it's a sheme, because O and his folks have already done enough damage. and he's going

to lose, whether those two vote for him or not.

[sasquatch]

62. If he loses its cause she kneecapped him

[rodeodance]

65. It was O. himself who came up with that VIOLENT analogy. He sucks for doing that.

[Beacool]

104. No, if he loses is due to his gigantic ego.

He's a rookie with a wafer thin record who should have waited until he had an actual resume before he decided to run for the highest office in the land. As it is, he does not deserve the presidency.

[barack the house]

69. The supreme court thing won't work.It's all about ego appeal to their ego bolster their ego.

It's all we can do.

[sasquatch]

76. How do you do that though?

:shrug:

[Independent-Voter]

75. The "Vaginas for Victory" crowd are a real riot. They're out of their fucking minds.

[sasquatch]

77. I think that's part of the reason why they're upset with us

They somehow think they're entitled to have a female leader and if they don't get on they will destroy our Republic just to get back at us.

[GarbagemanLB]

84. BINGO. It is almost like they want ANY woman to be president! How about Condi? Or Laura Bush??

[flpoljunkie]

78. Hillary and Bill have a lot of work to do to repair the damage they have done to our party

They have worked very hard to undermine Obama--unlike the other Democratic candidates no longer in the race--notably John Edwards. Perhaps he can be used effectively to woo the white, working class voters that the Clintons have so effectively poisoned in states like West Virginia--altho Bill's work in North Carolina in the rural counties fell flat when the votes were counted there.

There may not be much hope, though, for states like West Virginia which Bush carried in 2000 by 6 points and in 2004 by 13 points--52%-46%.

It is sad, indeed to see the Clintons put their own ambitions above the good of the party.

[Beacool]

102. Oh, please..........

It's the Clintons fault that Obama can win the working class folks to save his life????

Mighty delusional if you believe that.....

[graycem]

81. They're only following her lead..

if she can't have it, why let him, since he "didn't wait his turn." I think he can make it up in new votes. I hope. If not, they deserve everything they get from John McCain. And they will have helped her become a pariah to her own party. It won't be forgotten.

[NashVegas]

86. I'm Sorry, But the So-Called Liberal Elite Asked for This

When it allowed the crazy gender-based attacks and women-against-Hillary shit to have a happy home in the media.

On edit: post #75 is a wonderful demonstration of the phenomena.

[rucky]

88. You should've just stuck with the jackhammer.

Was this a Luntz focus group by any chance?

[sasquatch]

92. I don't know

[Catherina]

98. Let it go sasquatch. The party's redefining itself

Instead of focusing on all the people silly enough to walk out, let's focus on all the people we lost who are smart enough to come back to the Democratic Party now.

I'd rather have the Greens and Independents back than the entire DLC wing.


It'll be easier to unite around principles, like no unjust wars, that way.

[sasquatch]

107. It seems like Obama is bringing in voters like never before

So I think we'll be ok after this process is over.

[Auntie Bush]

101. I was well ahead of ya.

"Ladies you thought it was bad before women had the right to vote yoyu outta see what a neo-con domina"

I worried about that and it's why I didn't vote for Obama. I felt it was too important to elect someone who could accomplish the changes Obama talks about...as if Hillary and her supporters don't want change too and she knows how to do it...not just talk about it...which is all he's done so far. He has no idea how's it going to get done...but it makes a good campaign slogan which gullible people eat up.