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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:24 PM
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MSNBC: Racism Alarms Obama Backers
Edited on Tue May-13-08 01:35 PM by oldpol
WASHINGTON - Danielle Ross was alone in an empty room at the Obama campaign headquarters in Kokomo, Ind., a cellphone in one hand, a voter call list in the other. She was stretched out on the carpeted floor wearing laceless sky-blue Converses, stories from the trail on her mind. It was the day before Indiana's primary, and she had just been chased by dogs while canvassing in a Kokomo suburb. But that was not the worst thing to occur since she postponed her sophomore year at Middle Tennessee State University, in part to hopscotch America stumping for Barack Obama.

Here's the worst: In Muncie, a factory town in the east-central part of Indiana, Ross and her cohorts were soliciting support for Obama at malls, on street corners and in a Wal-Mart parking lot, and they ran into "a horrible response," as Ross put it, a level of anti-black sentiment that none of them had anticipated.

"The first person I encountered was like, 'I'll never vote for a black person,' " recalled Ross, who is white and just turned 20. "People just weren't receptive."

For all the hope and excitement Obama's candidacy is generating, some of his field workers, phone-bank volunteers and campaign surrogates are encountering a raw racism and hostility that have gone largely unnoticed -- and unreported -- this election season. Doors have been slammed in their faces. They've been called racially derogatory names (including the white volunteers). And they've endured malicious rants and ugly stereotyping from people who can't fathom that the senator from Illinois could become the first African American president.

The contrast between the large, adoring crowds Obama draws at public events and the gritty street-level work to win votes is stark. The candidate is largely insulated from the mean-spiritedness that some of his foot soldiers deal with away from the media spotlight.

Meeting cruel reaction
Victoria Switzer, a retired social studies teacher, was on phone-bank duty one night during the Pennsylvania primary campaign. One night was all she could take: "It wasn't pretty." She made 60 calls to prospective voters in Susquehanna County, her home county, which is 98 percent white. The responses were dispiriting. One caller, Switzer remembers, said he couldn't possibly vote for Obama and concluded: "Hang that darky from a tree!"

Documentary filmmaker Rory Kennedy, the daughter of the late Robert F. Kennedy, said she, too, came across "a lot of racism" when campaigning for Obama in Pennsylvania. One Pittsburgh union organizer told her he would not vote for Obama because he is black, and a white voter, she said, offered this frank reason for not backing Obama: "White people look out for white people, and black people look out for black people."

Obama campaign officials say such incidents are isolated, that the experience of most volunteers and staffers has been overwhelmingly positive.

The campaign released this statement in response to questions about encounters with racism: "After campaigning for 15 months in nearly all 50 states, Barack Obama and our entire campaign have been nothing but impressed and encouraged by the core decency, kindness, and generosity of Americans from all walks of life. The last year has only reinforced Senator Obama's view that this country is not as divided as our politics suggest." Campaign field work can be an exercise in confronting the fears, anxieties and prejudices of voters. Veterans of the civil rights movement know what this feels like, as do those who have been involved in battles over busing, immigration or abortion. But through the Obama campaign, some young people are having their first experience joining a cause and meeting cruel reaction.

On Election Day in Kokomo, a group of black high school students were holding up Obama signs along U.S. 31, a major thoroughfare. As drivers cruised by, a number of them rolled down their windows and yelled out a common racial slur for African Americans, according to Obama campaign staffers.

Frederick Murrell, a black Kokomo High School senior, was not there but heard what happened. He was more disappointed than surprised. During his own canvassing for Obama, Murrell said, he had "a lot of doors slammed" in his face. But taunting teenagers on a busy commercial strip in broad daylight? "I was very shocked at first," Murrell said. "Then again, I wasn't, because we have a lot of racism here."

Vandalism, bomb threats
The bigotry has gone beyond words. In Vincennes, the Obama campaign office was vandalized at 2 a.m. on the eve of the primary, according to police. A large plate-glass window was smashed, an American flag stolen. Other windows were spray-painted with references to Obama's controversial former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and other political messages: "Hamas votes BHO" and "We don't cling to guns or religion. Goddamn Wright."

Ray McCormick was notified of the incident at about 2:45 a.m. A farmer and conservationist, McCormick had erected a giant billboard on a major highway on behalf of Farmers for Obama. He also was housing the Obama campaign worker manning the office. When McCormick arrived at the office, about two hours before he was due out of bed to plant corn, he grabbed his camera and wanted to alert the media. "I thought, this is a big deal." But he was told Obama campaign officials didn't want to make a big deal of the incident. McCormick took photos anyway and distributed some.


"The pictures represent what we are breaking through and overcoming," he said. As McCormick, who is white, sees it, Obama is succeeding despite these incidents. Later, there would be bomb threats to three Obama campaign offices in Indiana, including the one in Vincennes, according to campaign sources.

Obama has not spoken much about racism during this campaign. He has sought to emphasize connections among Americans rather than divisions. He shrugged off safety concerns that led to early Secret Service protection and has told black senior citizens who worry that racists will do him harm: Don't fret. Earlier in the campaign, a 68-year-old woman in Carson City, Nev., voiced concern that the country was not ready to elect an African American president.

"Will there be some folks who probably won't vote for me because I am black? Of course," Obama said, "just like there may be somebody who won't vote for Hillary because she's a woman or wouldn't vote for John Edwards because they don't like his accent. But the question is, 'Can we get a majority of the American people to give us a fair hearing?' "

Skilled at bridging divides
Obama has won 30 of 50 Democratic contests so far, the kind of nationwide electoral triumph no black candidate has ever realized. That he is on the brink of capturing the Democratic nomination, some say, is a testament to how far the country has progressed in overcoming racism and evidence of Obama's skill at bridging divides.

Obama has won five of 12 primaries in which black voters made up less than 10 percent of the electorate, and caucuses in states such as Idaho and Wyoming that are overwhelmingly white. But exit polls show he has struggled to attract white voters who didn't attend college and earn less than $50,000 a year. Today, he and Hillary Clinton square off in West Virginia, a state where she is favored and where the votes of working-class whites will again be closely watched.

For the most part, Obama campaign workers say, the 2008 election cycle has been exhilarating. On the ground, the Obama campaign is being driven by youngsters, many of whom are imbued with an optimism undeterred by racial intolerance. "We've grown up in a different world," says Danielle Ross. Field offices are staffed by 20-somethings who hold positions -- state director, regional field director, field organizer -- that are typically off limits to newcomers to presidential politics.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24588813/
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:27 PM
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1. The Obama campaign doesnt want to bring it to the forefront, but the media has failed here.
They should be covering these stories because they are seen everywhere.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:28 PM
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3. The Obama campaign CAN'T bring it to the forefront.
Edited on Tue May-13-08 01:29 PM by redqueen
It's not like Hillary's campaign decrying sexism ... it wouldn't be just another story. Oh no.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:36 PM
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14. Black folks aren't allowed to talk about racism. White folks just call them oversensitive racists.
And since white folks make the rules, they win.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:10 PM
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78. Yeah. They are accused of playing the
two of diamonds 'race card'.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:10 PM
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79. How soon before the words "race card" are heard?!
How black people can be accused of playing the "race card" (whatever the fuck that is) while white people can comment on any and all aspects of black life in this country is beyond me.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:48 PM
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94. Hear here
Every time I read a Hillary Clinton supporter say 90% of Black folks are voting for a Black candidate AND say it's racism---which is the very reason why whites should not---I think of reverse discrimination.

Look people, if you have the audacity of hope there has to be something in the background to make it audacious.

Surely, we must remember that every time McCain is able to say Hamas support Obama or Clinton says white voters love me, they are picking up the subtext of the people who STRONGLY FEEL that way.

Anytime Buchanan sits on MSNBC and proudly supporting the divide and encouraging Hillary's tactics, Democrats---especially Hillary Democrats---should feel the creeping out.

I am irritated that black people are forced into being referred to as playing a card when we talk about this playing being uneven and filled with contempt. I am amazed BHO has even come this far. It gives me hope in this atmosphere.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:27 PM
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2. Why is this such a shock to people?
Did they think that racism had somehow gone away, or somehow wouldn't come into play during this election?

The white males haven't done such a great job running this country, and I think it's high time we broke that chain, but I'd rather the Dems win this election, and racism and sexism is an issue, like it or not, because of the candidates we've chosen.

Why does this surprise people? Where have they been?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:30 PM
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6. So you're saying we should have stuck with a white guy? nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:35 PM
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12. More like, this is what we signed up for.
So we need to get with the program.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:07 PM
Response to Reply #12
50. ITA. It's a reality we have to deal with. n/t
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:08 PM
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75. I agree
I've experienced more overt racism campaigning for Obama than I ever have before. I had one person ask "don't you think we give blacks in this country enough for free?" and say point blank that he could not pull the lever for a black man. It was discouraging but I just kept going. We're going to face racism and hostility on this campaign and we can't let it deter us.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:20 PM
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54. Someone said that in order for a black guy to win they had to be perfect....
absolutely NO skeletons in their closet, etc.

Maybe they were right.... sad.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:35 PM
Response to Reply #54
82. That was from an episode of House.
but still too true.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:43 PM
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85. A black guy has to be twice as good, intelligent, and pristine to even be considered
viable.

Racist double-standards at work.

This is one reason I get so PISSED at people who PROJECT Democrats' "white working-class" problem (and others) onto Obama.

DEMOCRATS have ALWAYS (all of them, including the white ones) had issues getting the 'Bubba' vote. It's not OBAMA's "Bubba" problem, it's the DEMOCRATS "Bubba" problem.

BUT the media, Hillary, et al want to blame Obama for it - project it onto him like it's his PERSONAL fault as a candidate and as if other candidates don't have the SAME issue and haven't for eons.

As a woman, I can tell you I KNOW that type of double-standard when I see it. And I see it being aimed at Obama a LOT.

It's racist bullshit.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:06 PM
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99. Obama And Working Class Whites: The Myth
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/obama-and-worki.html

13 May 2008 06:03 pm

Gary Langer, the director of polling at ABC, sorts through the numbers. Money quote:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenumbers/2008/05/obama-and-worki.html
It’s fair for the Obama camp to point out that he doesn’t do significantly worse against McCain among working-class whites than Clinton does, and that he does better with their upscale counterparts. And Obama’s numbers are nothing like John Kerry’s and Al Gore’s; they lost working-class whites to George W. Bush by 24 points and 17 points, respectively.

I didn't realize that Obama has actually been doing much better than Gore or Kerry in this demographic.


I knew the media was pushing a double standard based on Obama's race. Rev. Wright had it right when he talked about the corporate media pushing a storyline NO MATTER WHAT whether it is guilt by association, flag pin patriotism, the whiny left b.s. or whatever.

It is racial bullshit.

I notice a slant on race and on being a woman I don't care for. If Hillary Clinton expects McCain to be more sensitive to their issues then they are not paying attention to what the media is cooking.
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Triana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:00 PM
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101. boy the comments below that abcnews blog article from people who are supposed to be Democrats..
...are - shall we say - "interesting".

ABC (All About Clinton) certainly attracts some fine specimen viewers and readers - of course they filter/edit their blog comments and apparently only allowed pro-Hillary/McCain and anti-Obama ones.


Lovely. What a bunch of snide, hateful people.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:31 PM
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7. They probably just didn't expect it to be as prevalent
or as "in-your-face" as it is.

Most racists now are careful not to be openly racist. Like Pat Buchanan. He usually tries pretty hard to hide his racism.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #7
17. only b/c he is a public figure
most of your average racists don't hide it so much.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:41 PM
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19. They do here. (nt)
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:58 PM
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42. b/c they know they'll get called on it and their post will
probably get deleted. I'll bet they don't hide it when they're sitting in their backyard drinking a beer with the brother in law or playing a game of poker with they guys.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:07 PM
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48. They hide it in public.
And I was referring to where I live, not the board... sorry for the confusion.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:22 PM
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55. I don't think that a lot of full-fledged racists would be hanging out on Dem Underground.
n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:26 PM
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59. You missed post 48?
Edited on Tue May-13-08 02:26 PM by redqueen
Guess so.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:08 PM
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100. When I've been in Indiana and Pennsylvania (west not Phila)
Those who don't like diversity did not hide anything.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #7
37. yeah, Pat's a good example of the 'iceberg-tip' type racist.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:31 PM
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8. We can't let racism dictate our choices.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:32 PM
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9. sounds to me like most of the worst stuff was confined to Indiana
Edited on Tue May-13-08 02:21 PM by oldpol
Is it a big story if it only happens in one state out of 50 where O should have won anyway? (without fatty blowhard Limbaugh's interference)
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:37 PM
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15. White folks thought they had successfully blockaded all talk of racism.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:44 PM
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28. "I'd rather the Dems win this election." Yep. White guy or defeat.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:30 PM
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4. That's why Obama's win in November is going to be so significant.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:46 PM
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33. exactly - we and the campaign need to learn from this
We know there are racists and we know we probably cannot get them to vote for us. But, truth be told, they probably aren't very likely to vote for a woman or even a Democrat either.

What we don't need is a Clinton campaign stoking those racist thoughts that people have but the people are willing to listen to a message and vote for the best person. Instead, the Clinton campaign has tried to frame Obama as a thug and a beneficiary of affirmative action.

We need to be sure that Obama is framed as the great candidate that he is - an inspirational leader that has shown good judgment. A calm and rational person that is willing to listen to all points of view and reach the most intelligent decisions.

We also need to focus on registering voters that don't hold race against a candidate and turn them out to vote.

We can win despite the racists and despite the Clinton Primary strategy.

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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:58 PM
Response to Reply #33
70. well said
both by you and the post you responded to.
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panAmerican Donating Member (864 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #33
84. And this is exactly why Clinton on the ticket is anathema to what Obama represents.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:30 PM
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5. No one really wants to talk about this ugly and dark side to America.
Some of the stories sound familiar. It's hard to keep going, but I personally used the bad (racist) encounters I had as motivation to work that much harder, to knock on that many more doors.

Some of these people won't change and that's a sad fact. Nothing you could say or do will change their minds because their views are so entrenched, it's almost like their prejudice has become part of their genetic makeup.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:32 PM
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10. This election will be so good for America- The cancer of racism will be exposed
and dealt with in a major way.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:34 PM
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11. As far as the sign burning goes..
we had Kerry signs burned twice. It's not race it's right wing ignorance. If you don't like the opposition then you obliterate them on every level. Why do Obama signs get stolen? If you don't' have a good candidate then you have to work on minimizing the exposer the opposition gets.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:35 PM
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13. But sexism is ok?
Young women working for Obama are still to young to have experienced it. How nice for them that Clinton's candidacy will pave the way for women of their generation to run for higher office.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:38 PM
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16. Any stories like this from Hillary's supporters?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #13
21. You know, it's not a Who-is-more-oppressed contest, OzarkDem.
It's possible to acknowledge that there is both sexism and racism in the world, and that, more often than not, they intersect.

What's really troubling to me is that you probably consider yourself to be a feminist. Yet you are so blind to your privilege as a white woman (and though I don't know you I'm guessing that's what you are), that you cannot comprehend why the events depicted in this article are so disturbing. I sense that you take some sort of satisfaction in knowing that racial epithets are being hurled at Obama volunteers. Sorry, I really do.

As for Clinton paving the way, I do appreciate it. I just don't think she was "owed" the Presidency, that's all.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:56 PM
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41. Then lets not use a double standard
and show our outrage against all forms of discrimination that are being shown in this campaign year.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:03 PM
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45. I am outraged at all forms of discrimination.
I just try to demonstrate it where it's appropriate to the circumstance.

For example, I would never jump into a thread about sexism against Hillary with "But people are being racist to Obama, what about that?" It would be unnecessary, divisive, and would suggest that I'm pretty dismissive of the issue of sexism, wouldn't it?

That's what you were doing in this thread. Please, by all means, start a thread about sexism. There can never be enough discussions about the harm it does to humanity. But don't use it to disparage and minimize discussions of other types of oppression.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:12 PM
Response to Reply #45
53. Then lets practice what we preach
Edited on Tue May-13-08 02:13 PM by OzarkDem
be it opposing racism or sexism. And lets call out the news media for only focusing on one form of discrimination in this campaign while practicing another.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:27 PM
Response to Reply #53
60. How about let's you get off your ass and do something about it!
Instead of whining that other people aren't "focusing" enough on what you want them to.

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #60
63. Obama supporters are such a poor example
of what the Democratic Party stands for.

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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:42 PM
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64. Yeah, what with our....whaddyacall it? Oh yeah, grassroots activism.
We're so tedious with our phone call making, canvassing, and small contribution donating for our candidate, aren't we?

We should be more like the Clintons and their supporters, right? Assume the nomination is "inevitable" and throw a fit because another candidate has the nerve to get more people to vote for him. It's her turn dammit! Now, THAT'S what I call "embodying what the Democratic Party stands for"!

:sarcasm:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 05:31 PM
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89. .if it was up to hillary foster would`t be my rep today
i`d have a neo nazi republican who wants to hunt down illegal mexicans in his helicopter. but it was obama who cut video`s for foster,it was obama who put his name out there to help foster win.

hillary has`t done jack shit to help the city,county,and state democratic parties...it`s dean and obama that is showing the way....
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:34 PM
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92. Unfortunately, she can't help them even if she wanted to.
Hillary Clinton is coattails poison in many areas. It sucks, and it's not fair or right, but there you have it. No one running for Congress here in AZ would dare show up at a rally with her, unless they were in a really safe seat, like Rep. Ed Pastor. Bill is OK but not Hillary.
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:33 PM
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102. I associate myself with the intersection of race and gender POV
I also want to say that calling women out on their own double standard is important to feminism. The entire idea that focusing on racism means that sexism isn't also a problem denies the focus.

It is one thing to say go Hillary. It is another thing to say if you don't agree with Hillary on the tactics and management of the campaign AND are a woman, then you don't understand sexism. There is a conflation on the minds of these women that shows up in a lot of the historical divides between women, so much so that some women decided womanism was a better way to talk about sexism.

Hey, it is possible to be assaulted because you are a woman and you are black. To suggest that commenting on the obvious fire these campaign workers are experiencing in the field, means that Hillary hasn't gotten a sufficient amount of air time just underscores the level of denial, rage, and angst Hillary supporters are feeling at the end of this campaign.

If you can read that story and not remember the unbelievable stories of the freedom rides through the 1960s and desegregating lunch counters, then perhaps you can't see the role of the Democratic party in historical context. If you can't see it and you poo poo the person who pointing it out, then you have to know the denial dog whistle of race, class and gender has been blown.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 11:34 PM
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103. Thank you. That is so very well put.
I can't imagine having people come in to the Feminists and Women's Rights Forums to lecture us about how we're not discussing the problem of racism enough, and being well received. It would be absurdly offensive. Yet Clinton supporters have no qualms about coopting every conversation about race in this election, and refusing to even consider that their candidate's behavior may be exascerbating it.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:44 PM
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27. Why aren't you addressing the article? It's not about sexism vs. racism.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:04 PM
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46. She's using a distraction so that she doesn't have to.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:55 PM
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40. we are discussing an article written about the experiences of the Obama volunteers..
Edited on Tue May-13-08 02:02 PM by Heather MC
If tomorrow someone writes and article about Hillary volunteers. I am sure we will give that article equal attention.

However as a BLACK FEMALE, trust me perceived as a "N*GGER" is a lot worse in an all white Area than being a "B!tch"
So please put a sock in it!
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:32 PM
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62. If there were such an article
I seriously doubt that several Obama supporters would interject into a thread about with demands that everyone address the racism against Obama. It's undeniable to anyone the barest progressive sensibilities that both racism and misogyny are a problem in society. So when Clinton supporters attempt to hijack discussions about racism it only serves to distract and shut down dialogue.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:48 PM
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66. Clinton supporters are free to contribute as long as they acknowledge their candidate dangerously..
Edited on Tue May-13-08 03:00 PM by Heather MC
contributes to the racism in this country with her ignorant speeches about "Us and Them"
and "Take back our country" and all the other Ignorant racist codes that have been spitting out of her mouth while in West VA and her little comment after the Indiana Primaries about "sticking with our own" that's right out of the Klan talking points.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:53 PM
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68. They won't. They will defend it to the end. Cognitive dissonance of the most extreme kind.
I suppose the same could be true of Obama supporters if he were making constant veiled references to her gender in his speeches, but he's not. There've been a couple comments he's made that were kind of on the edge, like the "you're likable enough" and "occasionally when my opponent is feeling down..." but I'd characterize them more as lapses than what I perceive to be a concerted strategy by Clinton where race is concerned.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:50 PM
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95. touche, Heather
as a Black woman raised in the fifties, I just shake my head in disgust when Hillbots dare to compare sexism to racism. THERE IS NO COMPARISON! So yes, they should put a sock in it... a big, filthy, stinky one.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:40 PM
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18. Obama doesn't really identify with discrimnated-against blacks.
His life was basically sheltered from this. His grandmother may have said a few things that alarmed him but, in truth, he rarely had to experience what most black males experience in this country.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:42 PM
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20. I take it he said as much?
If he didn't say so, how could you presume to say such a thing?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:42 PM
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22. Obama is a discriminated-against black.
What do you think "I won't vote for a black person" means?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:43 PM
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23. So now he's not black enough again?
I'm getting confused.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:43 PM
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25. How in the world could you possibly know this? Please explain yourself. n/t
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:43 PM
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26. It's always fun to watch white folks talk about how not-black black people are.
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cyndensco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:11 PM
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52. In all fairness,
I think we are more guilty of claiming someone is not black enough.

I do find it amazing, though, that anyone would be surprised that Obama's volunteers are facing such hatred. Or, that Obama himself had somehow been shielded from discrimination; afterall, he even heard it at home when his grandmother made insensitive statements.

This is America. Racism is alive. It is only going to get worse through this election, at least in terms of visibility.

My family and friends are prepared for a bumpy ride....


GO OBAMA!!!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:45 PM
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30. So he's back to non-black.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:46 PM
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34. I can;t believe you are saying this.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:53 PM
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67. You know all of Obama's life experiences
How do you know what he's been through?
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:09 PM
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77. It's impossible to shelter a child who does not have
white skin from racism in this country.

No one could protect him from the other kids who saw him as different. In this area, the kids who attend the 'elite' schools experience more racism than the kids who attend the public schools.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 07:05 PM
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98. Sheltered? Really?
I wasn't under the impression that Obama was raised in a bubble, located in a tower, that was built in an uninhabited forest in the middle of nowhere.

Do you really think that any amount of sheltering by one's parents can keep a child from knowing that his/her skin color sets him/her apart from the rest of the children in the class?

It damn sure didn't take me long to learn that and my mother, like any parent, tried to shelter me from prejudice and bigotry.

Regards
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:43 PM
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24. One day, god willing, it'll alarm Clinton backers.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:45 PM
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32. It does alarm them. But on DU, they're busy defending themselves because...
of the "all or nothing" framing that's making them feel like we're saying all Clinton supporters are racist.

That's not fair or correct.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:49 PM
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35. Then it's ironic that by choosing the "nothing" side, they open themselves up to the criticism. lol!
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:52 PM
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38. Again, I don't think the criticism is fair.
I don't appreciate being told I'm a homophobe because I support Obama.

It's the same sort of thing here.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:01 PM
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43. It's only the same thing if Obama campaigned specifically on that...
in states who's populations virtually spoke in unison "I would never vote for a gay person".

Then it would be comparable.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #24
39. maybe this will stop the Big Dog from giving divisive stump speeches
Edited on Tue May-13-08 02:46 PM by oldpol
while he thinks he is under the political radar in Appalachia
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:02 PM
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44. I'll be curious to see how/whether the Clitnons ever even attempt to make up with....
The rest of Democrats.
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:10 PM
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51. i wonder how much people are paying attention to the behind the scenes
Edited on Tue May-13-08 02:23 PM by oldpol
Hillary & Bill's race baiting hasn't gotten that much play in the national media after South Carolina, imo
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:07 PM
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47. That's the thing! It's not the Clinton's fault that some people are racist.
If it were John Edwards vs. Obama right now the racists would be going for him. But it IS their fault when they exploit racism.
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cyndensco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:30 PM
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61. I so agree with you.
The Clintons are not responsible for the hatred Obama supporters are experiencing, though they did add fuel to the fire with some of their statements.

No, this IMO was bound to happen as Obama gained strength. I think some people at first were intrigued by this unknown man - "their" America would entertain his candidacy. But, now that he is the presumptive nominee, some, I'd bet, are fearful of actually having a black president.

Outward racists don't like black people, period. Some who consider themselves open-minded and race-sensitive have problems with blacks in power. Obama is in power, and as that grows, I think we will see more hatred.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:44 PM
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29. That is so horrible.
Very scary.
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dtotire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:45 PM
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31. I Hope These People Are A Small Minority n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 01:51 PM
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36. Good. Racism exists and we should be alarmed by it.
But should we overturn our primaries and run a candidate more appealing to racists?

No. Hell no.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:24 PM
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56. I completely agree with you.
Even up here in oh-so-white NH, racism exists. I was a volunteer in Obama's phonebank before the Primary and I was sometimes shocked at what some people had to say. I phonebanked at least four hours every week from May to January. Every racist comment came from an "undecided" (Independent) voter. Not one Democrat ever uttered a slur against Obama's race. And the people who were racist were in the 70-80 year-old range. I guess it really wasn't that bad when I consider than the number of people who came out and said racist things for all that time was probably about ten.

My favorite racist encounter came when I was attending a conservation rally on my town's main street. I had to go to a bar to get a coffee to go. There was a drunk slob in there (at 10:00 in the morning) who saw my Obama T-shirt and said the words "That Hussein nigger". I said "Well, you don't have to vote for the man, but don't be a racist asshole". He got off his seat and started walking toward me! Somebody yelled "Get out! Quick!" (Oh, did I mention I was using a walker)? HAH! Good times.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:07 PM
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73. .
Somehow I am reminded of the Seinfeld Rascal scooter chase.

Thanks for the story. I got a laugh out of that one.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:48 PM
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87. I saw the Rascal scooter chase last night!
I think I was a little faster than that, though I spilled my coffee.
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:04 PM
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71. Indeed we should not!
I know there is a lot of racism out there, but chances are those people with that mindset were already firmly in the Republican camp anyway. That's why it was so easy for them to jump on the Iraq bandwagon because all brown people in the ME are the same to them. Cultural ignorance and bigotry are classic signs of a Republican.

I happen to believe that there are more decent people in this country than racists. He will win, and maybe he will change a few perceptions. The worst is probably yet to come when all the Republican racists get really into the mix in the GE, but being aware of it, shouldn't make us afraid of it, just ready to do battle with it. Stories like this actually encourage many people to work harder, donate more, and have an overall firmer resolve to prove these jackasses wrong.
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:07 PM
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49. Serious question for the Hillbots.... Do you really WANT the vote of some sheep fucking inbred
who says "Hang that darky from a tree!"?

If you do, you have no right to call yourself a Democrat. Much less a Liberal. :puke:
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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:25 PM
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57. "Hang that darky from a tree!" :(
Edited on Tue May-13-08 02:34 PM by oldpol
aren't we past all of this in the 21st century, it's just so discouraging to hear that anyone would say such a hateful thing.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:26 PM
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58. This election is for America's future.
The M$M and Anti-Obama crowd will turn the election into a debate on racial issues.

This is nothing but more distraction to elect McShame.

If Obama is going to be elected it will be because of who he is, and not because of a racial debate.

Things will improve ten fold if we keep our eyes on the prize, and not lose our message.
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Cosmocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:05 PM
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72. YEP ...
It exists, no doubt, but not an a scale that it should be too prohibitive for BO to win the presidency ...

AND, that particular group of people are overwhelmingly tucked away in in the rightward extremes of the republican party, and they aren't voting D either way ...

The battle is for BO to cull together the bulk of the Ds, to draw in new voters on the left, to not enflame the the right, and to battle for the middle votes ... He knows this if no one else does ...

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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:44 PM
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65. luckily, overt racists who actually vote are a small minority.
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 02:54 PM
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69. It is hard for me to believe
Edited on Tue May-13-08 03:01 PM by DeschutesRiver
that anyone, anywhere, could possibly believe that racism no longer exists. It is been around since I was born - it is like a cockroach and will probably survive TEOTWAWKI, as the survivalists call it. White v. black, white v. hispanic, black v. hispanic, asian v. black, blah, blah, and on and on they go.

Some places have lots of racism, others less, others not so much at all. I feel for these people, having to experience that, because it is nasty stuff - but the answer is to keep doing what you do, and forget about these losers. I think as a society we have gotten these bastards down to the last filthy holdouts, and that makes me happy. I don't think I will ever see a day when there is no racism, as I don't think it is in the human condition NOT to have that exist.

However, people who are resistant to changing those beliefs can have the hell marginalized out of them - they can and are becoming irrelevent (unless, of course, you live in an enclave filled with them, which would be hell on earth).

It is a progression. So you gotta move forward on this issue. But yeah, knowing some people with those beliefs, I can say it both turns my stomach, and makes me want to put a fork in them. But mostly, their words/beliefs sound so freaking dumb when I hear them, that it is hard to believe they take themselves as seriously as I know they do.

Total waste of the life a person is given to be that way.

ETA: And for the shocked Obama supporters that are young, then I say good life lesson to them about the raw fact that sometimes you need to fight for what is right. A lesson in a way that is necessary for kids who were born to late to see the absolute hell hole of racist crap that existed openly and with lynching force before the whole Civil Rights era. It isn't just something written on the pages of history books, nor something that can be compared to the mild expression of race hate today - if they think it is bad today, they need to pick up a f'g book or talk to older people in their communities, and let their words and stories of simply horrific cruelty upon cruelty really sink in. Let the kids then imagine how it would be to grow up in that world... And then go back out there and realize that "yes we can" and "change" are not just uplifting words said for fun. And get determined to win.

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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:09 PM
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76. i think a lot of it is stupid small town teens with too much time on their hands
I grew up in Central Ill and know some are just about as racist as the ones in Indiana
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:46 PM
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86. I'm a lifelong Oregonian
Growing up, I heard stuff like this within my own family - in fact, one of the most memorable experiences was having my parents suddenly realize that the fellow 8th grade student that I was acting as "campaign manager" for in our student elections, and who lived down the street, was black. Well into that effort, I was pulled off that duty by them, upbraided roundly, and I raised hell about it for weeks at home. I don't even like to relate what happened to me because of telling off my parents like that or the utter shame I felt when I had to tell my friend that I couldn't work on her campaign. Or how she looked at me, or how I looked at my parents after that. Lots of stuff about my childhood sucked, but this was one of those unpleasant defining events that life is all about. For whatever it is worth, my background was working class, and I was the first in my immediate family to attend college (and I added law school later). I worked to pay for it myself, rather than accept $$ from parents who intended to control my class choices, because I had no faith in their ability to direct my life, and by that age, I realized I could make my own choices about such issues, so long as I was willing to pay the freight, unlike when I was a kid in 8th grade. Felt like a very small price to pay.

More recently - I showed horses for years - with some pretty upper income people, and those of lesser incomes who "catered" to them. There it was adults, with some younger people, who said things exactly like what these Obama supporters were hearing, and much worse as well.

And despite that, we really don't have a ton of militantly racist freaks here in Oregon, not like other places. At least, you probably wouldn't see a WV sort of thing here even though whites are in the majority, and Oregon's history on this stinks.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:07 PM
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74. the best thing about Obama winning
will be knowing that a sizeable portion of America will wake up the next day and go "what the fuck?"
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:23 PM
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80. They kept their racism on the QT until they realized he may win.

I have seen a drastic change in a few regulars where I hang out after work. A few weeks ago one guy made an ass out of himself when, asked why he did not believe Obama had done any of the things I told him about, he shouted, "because no nigger never did anything good in his life".

A month ago I "won" that argument simply because he made the mistake of blurting out his true feelings. That wouldn't happen today. In the past month a number of them have begun embracing their inner bigot. Today that statement would be received with applause.

It is going to be a long year. And I figure on losing a lot of friends as they reveal this about themselves that I never knew.


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oldpol Donating Member (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:33 PM
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81. we may see a lot more suprises from the Fox News types going ballistic before the election
Hannity, Coulter going nuts etc
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 05:37 PM
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91. yup...i noticed that also...
some people just can`t grow up..hopefully enough young kids will off set the racists in this country.
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truebrit71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:37 PM
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83. And yet the HIlltards around here say that there is no racism and that we're just a bunch of sexist.
..crybabies...

:eyes:
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:36 PM
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93. They'd have some credibility if they'd denounce the behavior in the article.
Yes, sexism is a huge and pervasive problem in the world, but you don't answer every charge of bigotry, no matter what, by pointing that out and ignoring the other forms.
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michaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 03:57 PM
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88. Racism should "alarm" every person in this country!
It is detestable! In today's world this should be well gone. I am sorry, but I cannot for the life of me understand why we still allow racism to exist. Apparently we are not the great country that we think we are. We are not tolerant of others, be them poor, rich, white, black or yellow. It seems so easy for us to go to other countries and tell them how they should be dealing with their people and the lives of people and yet we can't, won't and don't deal with these things ourselves. The basis of this is not about Obama or Clinton, it is about what a sorry bunch of people we are!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 05:33 PM
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90. i am not shocked, but i am disappointed.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:52 PM
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96. i really think this campaign
has been and will be an eye opener about race relations in our country... i only fear that the only people who learn anything and take it to heart from this exposure will be the rest of the world.
thats unfortunate.

you would think wed be at a point in our history that we could start to move past things of this nature.

if this is what it takes to bring this out, then so be it... even if it costs us the presidency. racism must continue to be exposed in america.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 06:56 PM
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97. I'm confused. Is he electable or not?
If he's electable, (which I think he is) then 'catapulting' this kind of conventional wisdom does democrats a huge disservice.

Should we ignore racism? No, but this is an inopportune time to try to convince everyone how racist everyone else is.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:19 AM
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104. We want Senator Obama to be our next president
but we also must shine the light into the darker corners of our national psyche. To let this problem continue in order to reap short term gain would be wrong.

Also, we can multitask. ^_^
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 05:52 AM
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105. It is both-Obama is ELECTABLE and will not get the racist vote
Democrats don't get the bigot's vote ANYWAY.

It has been true since the Voting Rights Act was passed. Lyndon Johnson was last election 1964 where Democrats were competitive in that 'bigots love me' way.

Please don't confuse the discussion over a racist ideology being in its last throes 'Segregation Now, Segregation Forever' type of way and the belief that he will win. I like what Chuck from MSNBC said through polls that most voters, huh hard working people, don't want to discuss race AND it is a losing issue if it is on the discussion table.

The desire not to talk about it allows the subtle and overt racist not to be challenged. If we are at the point where we REFUSE to challenge it, then I'd say we are in silly season of a politically correct era. The reason why the PC movement exists is to allow people to comfortably move past the crap people feel and change the subject.

Here, I don't think you can change the discussion just because there is a large degree of discomfort. If the subject matter is racism, PC stuff doesn't work.
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