Obama will be the next President, and West Virginia will stay Red

[FrenchieCat]

as will Kentucky, and that's all there is to it.

Those who say, like Hillary, that a Democrat has never won the office without winning West Virginia need to keep this in mind; this election year has and will continue to be full of "firsts", so this will just be another one!

The fact that WV is voting for Hillary, far as I know, has more to do with those West Virgina's long standing infatuation with serial adulterer Arkansan Bill Clinton than with racism.

Unfortunately, the media and the Hillary campaign want to turn this vote, that is an affirmative for Hillary, into an issue centering around race. This is for the sake of frightening the Super Delegates as well as Democrats, on the issue of Obama's melanin, because it helps Hillary make her case (although polls show that there are more who will not vote for her due to her sex). Please know that we are helping here at DU contribute to that "set up", with our constant discussions on racism, West Virginia, etc....., instead of understanding that it is what it is, whatever that is, and calling it a day.

The media's job today is to discuss the race issue at length again, because it suits them to bring Obama's prospect down, which they are now still desperately trying to do. That's what they do, and that is what they had done with their circular pastorbating a week back, and a few months ago.

The new tact, since Pastorbating didn't catch on as a fad is to now share a few examples of voters saying that Obama is too Black and such, in order to further feed the false perception that realistically, a Black man still cannot become President. The media and Hillary hope and pray that enough Obama supporters buy into it and hesitate to allow him this win that he has earned.

Personally, I do not believe that the reports of racism are as rampant, and I believe that they are the exception rather than the rule.

I'm not saying that West Virginia doesn't have a large share of racists (and others states do as well), I'm just saying that those people are operating based on fear of the unknown, and that is their right to be that frightened if it helps them "cope". Hillary is a known to them, and that's why they are voting for her. I also read somewhere that some women where voting for Hillary because she is a woman, and although they understand that Obama has won it, they want the experience of being able to feel like they voted for a woman.

To add, I went to the Beauty Salon today, and please know that the Black Obama supporters that I spoke to (we were watching the view on the salon's television in where they were discussing the primary race) said (most of them anyway), that if Hillary got it by hook or crook, they would not be voting for her in November. Two women said that they could "hang" with McCain't, because instead of their vote being taken for granted, maybe their Black vote would be appreciated and maybe even revered and catered to.

So in the end, after everything is said and done, Obama will become the 44th President of the United States, because the bullshit that your read and see, ain't exactly what it is.

America is ready for a President who happens to be Black, because after living through George Bush, we know that we need an extreme change from where we've been, and that a 72 year old warmonging anti choice Senator just isn't gonna do it.

WELCOME TO THE YEAR 2008 IN THE 21ST CENTURY.
THAT'S WHEN AMERICA WILL TELL THE WORLD,
WE'RE BACK

:patriot:

[LisaM]

1. Nice to call Bill a serial adulterer - what does it have to do with Hillary?

What if people referred to Obama's book about his father as being about a serial polygamist? Would you find that a unifying remark?

[democracy1st]

4. Ol Bill should be humble

[FrenchieCat]

6. West Virginians are voting for Bill, not so much Hillary. To think otherwise is foolish.

It is also a documented fact that Bill Clinton is a serial Adulterer, as much as Barack Obama is bi-racial....so why should I leave it out?

It also shows that some folks are willing to support those who are morally bankrupt while opposing someone simply due to their melanin count. that tells us more about those folks' American "values". :shrug:

[rodeodance]

31. YOU and many other Obama fans are OBSESSED with Bill Clinton's penis!!

[democracy1st]

38. that was weak

[rodeodance]

44. then explain why Obama folks keep bringing up the affair just like the RW does??

[Justitia]

61. which one?

[Barrymores Ghost]

66. LOL! n/t

[kikiek]

50. See there you go again talking about your penis.

[Lilith Velkor]

54. !

:spray: :thumbsup:

[lachattefolle]

59. OMFG, LOL!

[DemVet]

70. Weak.....but true.

[JimGinPA]

43. I Think It's Just You Who's Obsessed With His Penis - That Would Explain A Lot

[rodeodance]

45. you have explained nothing.

[JimGinPA]

48. Check Drudge

[Barrymores Ghost]

65. PENIS!!1!!!1!!

Hi. :hi:

I just wanted to say "penis."

Thanks.

EDIT: to add one more exclamation point.

[DemVet]

69. What an utterly ridiculous post.

[Name removed]

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[PurityOfEssence]

56. Anything to personally hurt or embarrass Hillary is fair game, doncha know she's eeeeevil?

Asking her to her face in public what she thought of Spitzer right after his idiocy came to light is not only fair, it's fun sport.

To the terminally mean and small-minded, any assault is fair. Her personal frustration is twisted by the sanctimonious into her having condoned or even engineered Bill's infidelities.

NEVER get between an acolyte and that person's messiah; that way brings unendurable pain.

Obama's morally better in every way, after all. How do we know? Because his followers say so, that's why; what more do you need?

These poisonous snits in the parlor should snipe down to City Hall so Ron Dellums can set 'em straight; there's a guy who "gets" life.

[Catchawave]

58. The RW's been trying to destroy Bill's legacy

since 1992. Sigh.

[Justitia]

62. He's done a pretty good job of that, all by himself.

[Crunchy Frog]

2. I hope that President Obama will be able to do something

to improve the situation in those states. To help drag those people out of their poverty, misery, and ignorance, and make them into genuinely productive citizens.

[The Great Escape]

11. Oh Please...Bring Me Along Too...

I desperately want to be a productive citizen! :eyes:

[democracy1st]

3. It's funny to see the Clinton's act like these voters have voted solidly democrat

but now that Barack Obama is running all of a sudden he's the problem

[lumberjack_jeff]

5. One person's "serial adulterer" is anothers "ex president"

I guess it's all a matter of perspective. Democrats have some well-deserved pride in the guy.

[LisaM]

8. That remark was so uncalled for

It reminds me of my caucus in Washington state last February. Someone actually got up and said we shouldn't vote for Hillary because her relatives (in Georgia) remembered the blue dress.

Obama's father being a polygamist likewise really has nothing to do with him or his mother, but I think I will be sure to always qualify references to Obama's family that way. Why not?!

[FrenchieCat]

15. You pick your pastor, and you pick your husband. You don't pick your father or your mother....

Ask Chelsea, she'll tell you!

[LisaM]

17. OK, then I'll insult Obama's mother

Is that what you're saying I should do? Since she picked her "husband"?




P.S. - on edit, please note that I am being facetious. I am just trying to illustrate a point, not insult Obama's mother.

[FrenchieCat]

19. Why? Did she wag a finger at us while lying or something during the time that we were paying her

a salary? :shrug:

[LisaM]

20. I'm sure you are much pleasanter in life than you are on DU

But I wouldn't want to watch a sporting event with you if we were rooting for different teams.

[FrenchieCat]

21. I don't do sporting events.

But I don't really care what you think of me personally. That is not why I have been posting here at DU for the last 5 years....that's for sure.

[LisaM]

25. Figures.

To watch a sporting event does, after all, involve sportsmanship.

However, I think that if you want to represent your candidate well, you don't need to branch off into gratuitous insults. You could have done your entire OP without calling Bill a serial adulterer.

I'll also mention something interesting about DU. After 9/11, there were scores of posts about the Big Dog, and how much people missed him. He wasn't called the serial adulterer Big Dog. When he had his heart surgery, there was a big get well card from DU. What the hell happened? This resentment towards the Clintons seems manufactured and perhaps rooted in jealousy or resentment. What do you resent so much?

I made the statements about Obama's father simply to make a point. You can't qualify references to Bill Clinton unless you do so with everyone who's cheated. Do you say serial adulterer FDR? Do you say serial adulterer Martin Luther King? Do you say plagiarist Martin Luther King? Do you say serial adulterer JFK?

No, the venom (and it's certainly not just you) towards the Clintons has spiralled because people see them now as obstacles to Obama and are framing references to them accordingly.

[democracy1st]

35. Everybody here has taken up for the Clinton's over the years,

but the truth be told they did a piss poor job for the democratic party

[Maddy McCall]

28. Four years ago, you were rational.

These days, you're a venomous, spiteful, nasty poster.

[democracy1st]

34. Republicans stole 2 elections and Clinton supporters are pissed and will not vote for Obama?

[lastliberalintexas]

77. No, she wasn't

Sorry Maddy, but you probably just didn't notice back then because you guys were on the same team then, even though you and most other Clark supporters acted far differently. This one has merely switched candidates is all.


Yes, I know this will probably be deleted but I really don't care. I've seen some incredibly hideous and insulting posts from le chat francais and have never understood how they have been allowed to stand without being deleted. :shrug:

[DemBones DemBones]

64. OK, let me explain this to you. What Bill Clinton said was

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."

I saw that news conference live and I knew what he meant and what he didn't mean. He was NOT lying.

According to Monica's sworn testimony, and her taped phone complaints to her false friend, Linda Trapp, er, Tripp, they did not have sexual relations. She wanted to but he wouldn't.

Sexual relations means intercourse, penis in vagina, to us heterosexual white Southern people of Bill Clinton's generation.

It means that according to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary, too:


sexual relations
One entry found.

sexual relations

Main Entry:
sexual relations
Function:
noun plural
Date:
1909

: sexual intercourse

Maybe we all learned the term from the dictionary and from medical books in the library, I don't recall, and maybe you never heard it used that way but I did and I went to high school maybe 100 miles from where Bill Clinton did, at the same time he did.

Bill and Monica didn't have intercourse, unless she perjured herself in front of the grand jury and lied to her "friend" Linda, and I don't see why she'd do either one.

Sexual activity other than intercourse is NOT sexual relations, by definition. Everything else is usually regarded as foreplay but in this case they never had intercourse.

Because he specifically said "sexual relations" and not "sex," I knew he was saying they didn't have intercourse but they did mess around somehow. He was being lawyerly, careful what he said, even though he was annoyed with the press bugging him all the time.

Again, he was NOT LYING. He was not telling everything about their relationship because it was private and he obviously would have preferred for his wife and daughter not to know what he had done. I think it's unfortunate for Monica that all the details were revealed because she will always be known for what she did in a few hours of her life. I think he was trying to protect her as much as his own hide. I think they had some romantic feelings for each other as well as sexual ones.

I do NOT think he should have been involved with a woman other than his wife but I know that both men and women commit adultery pretty regularly. It's been shown by surveys that many men are serial adulterers so Bill Clinton is not that unusual in that respect.

Considering that you are supporting a male candidate, I wouldn't be throwing stones at Bill; you may find out that Barack has a glass house, too.

[Justitia]

67. OMG, you have actually reduced yourself to parsing blowjobs. -eom

[democracy1st]

39. dayum it hurts to play like the GOP doesn't it

[FrenchieCat]

13. Based on what, exactly?

THE RISE OF THE DLC

its mission was far more confrontational. With few resources, and taking heavy flak from the big guns of the Democratic left, the DLC proclaimed its intention, Mighty Mouse-style, to rescue the Democratic Party from the influence of 1960s-era activists and the AFL-CIO, to ease its identification with hot-button social issues, and, perhaps most centrally, to reinvent the party as one pledged to fiscal restraint, less government, and a pro business, pro-free market outlook.
http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/1/24/16457/4867

Hence the DLC via Bill Clinton's Presidency gave us among other things.......

NAFTA

Clinton Signs NAFTA
12/8/93"I do want to say, also, a special word of thanks to all the citizens who helped us -- the business leaders, the labor folks, the environmental people who came out and worked through this; many of them at great criticism, particularly in the environmental movement and some of the working people who helped it. And a group that was quite pivotal to our success that I want to acknowledge specifically are the small business people, many of whom got themselves organized and came forward and tried to help us. They made a real difference. " Bill Clinton at NAFTA signing Ceremony
http://www.clintonfoundation.org/legacy/120893-speech-b...

1996 TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT

Clinton Signs The Telecommunications Act of 1996
The Telecommunications Act of 1996 is the first major overhaul of telecommunications law in almost 62 years. The goal of this new law is to let anyone enter any communications business -- to let any communications business compete in any market against any other.

The Telecommunications Act of 1996 has the potential to change the way we work, live and learn. It will affect telephone service -- local and long distance, cable programming and other video services, broadcast services and services provided to schools.
http://www.fcc.gov/telecom.html

WELFARE REFORM ACT

1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act
On August 22, President Clinton signed the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996 Conference Report to accompany H.R. 3734, the controversial legislation which repeals the 60 year old social safety net for the poor and requires welfare recipients to work. The legislation is very much like H.R. 4, the previous welfare bill that the President vetoed at the urging of NOW and other advocacy organizations. And, like the previous bill, the President received severe criticism from community activists, women's rights, social service advocacy, labor, minority, and religious groups in embracing this Republican-led effort to change the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=1996_Welfare...

BANKING REFORM BILL

Clinton signs banking overhaul measure
November 12, 1999
The biggest change in the nation's banking system since the Great Depression became law Friday, when President Bill Clinton signed a measure overhauling federal rules governing the way financial institutions operate.

Congress passed the bipartisan measure November 5, opening the way for a blossoming of financial "supermarkets" selling loans, investments and insurance. Proponents had pushed the legislation in Congress for two decades, and Wall Street and the banking and insurance industries had poured millions of dollars into lobbying for it in the past few years.

"The world changes, and Congress and the laws have to change with it," said Senate Banking Committee Chairman Phil Gramm (R-Texas), who has fought for years for the overhaul. Gramm said the bill would improve banking competition and stability.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/11/12/banki...

DOMA

Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)
President Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) -- HR 3396 or Public Law No. 104-199 -- on 21 September 2000. It defines marriage as an act between heterosexuals and frees one state from being required to honor the same-sex marriage conducted in another state. As of this writing, 39 states have laws based on DOMA; 18 of those are amendments to the state constitution.

On Friday, September 20, prior to signing the Defense of Marriage Act, President Clinton released the following statement:

I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position. The Act confirms the right of each state to determine its own policy with respect to same gender marriage and clarifies for purposes of federal law the operative meaning of the terms "marriage" and "spouse".
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/gaymarriage/a/DOMA.htm

CHINA TRADE DEAL

Clinton signs China trade bill
October 10, 2000
he measure is considered the most important U.S. trade legislation since passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1993. But it faced a long campaign of opposition from labor, human rights and conservative groups who wanted to retain the annual review of trade relations with China.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/10/... /

Talking about Hard Working White rural Americans:
"Screw 'em," she told her husband. "You don't owe them a thing, Bill. They're doing nothing for you; you don't have to do anything for them."
http://www.americablog.com/2008/04/hillary-clinton-on-w...

(ACTUAL LINKS AVAILABLE HERE: http

[thunder rising]

23. Yes, he single handedly lost the entire government to the Republicans ... a feat never before

accomplished. But he will not be alone ... Baby Bush gave it back to us after war and pillage of the treasury.

[lumberjack_jeff]

46. That chapter is yet to be written.

My observation is that there are all too many who seem unwilling to accept that gift.

[JVS]

29. He's both to me

[mitchleary]

7. That is why Hillary's arguments are BS

A dem winning KY and WV, not likely, so what if she takes them in the primary? It would be like her bragging about winning UT.

And her BS about winning CA and NY, like Obama would lose those?

[FrenchieCat]

22. Yep....these are irrational arguments that Hillary has hoped would stick.....

because frankly, I believe that she underestimates the intelligence of voters.

[PBS Poll-435]

9. West Virginia, please take your rightful place,

Under the bus.

Thanks.

[Jamastiene]

75. Yup.

Lucky for them though, those of us who have been under here for a while already have made it not quite as uncomfortable for them.

[yardwork]

10. Take a look at the electoral map for 1976. History isn't always a good precedent.

Here's the map - note which states voted for Republican Jerry Ford, and which supported Democrat Jimmy Carter in 1976. Times change. The United States population has changed. If West Virginia can't bring itself to vote for a black man, the rest of the country will lead the way.

http://www.presidentelect.org/e1976.html

[onehandle]

12. So Obama is just getting elected because he's an "extreme change?"

I'm beginning to think that I like Obama more that you do.

And take your fucking "serial adulterer" comment back to Free Republic.

[FrenchieCat]

18. I believe that the entire Obama campaign is about change......

It will be "extreme" because things have been so fucked up, they will get extremely better.

What we experience is Americans unsafe in America and overseas to terrorists attacks that might kill our citizens; Iran's strength has grown in the ME; that our leadership has served as recruiters for Al Qaeta; Hamas has taken control of the palestinian Goverment; our civil liberties have been taken away from us; the United States founders' intent of a balance of power has been placed in jeopardy; our constitution has been ignored; we have been lied into a war; our taxpayer's money has been given away to others in foreign lands; the price of the oil we buy has risen to astronomical height, our Country is bankrupted; Countries who were our friends are now our enemies, and we find find ourselves indebted to the Chinese Communist regime while our jobs are given to them and taken from us......

so yeah....I'd say extreme change would be good.

[kikiek]

26. And they were at the best under Clinton. Once again your ignorant attacks on him

mimic the right wing. Posted to stir up shit only. Really does your candidate good. I am sure the campaign appreciates the hate you're spreading.

[democracy1st]

36. cut your bs ,you know who's running GOP tactics

[kikiek]

49. Yeah I sure do..and the initilals are FC. Your attempt at defending is amusing.

[Tellurian]

55. She couldn't even relate "The Change" Obama talks about...nobody can..

because he's never laid out a plan to accomplish a so called "Change"...

[democracy1st]

37. you goto Freerepublic with that bs

[ananda]

14. Right now the red state blue state divide is used..

.. manipulatively by Bushinc.

This goes for red and blue cities too.
Look at what happened to NOLA after Katrina.

I wouldn't be surprised if gas prices are
lower in red states, either.

What I'm driving at is that I'd like us to
get past the partisan divide and just all be
humans together.

I would like the next White House to treat
all cities, states, and people like full and
equal members of society.. with all rights
and expectations.

Sue

[Jamastiene]

72. It is $3.933 a gallon here in NC.

Is that cheap?

[Jamastiene]

73. It is $3.933 a gallon here in NC.

It that cheap enough for ya, sport? We also take days upon days off work just to drive all over the place saying Yeeeee Hawwwww with our four teeth and our dirt cheap, almost practically free, gas. Yup, we got it easy, I tell ya.

[invictus]

24. K & R

[Lannigan]

27. I'm 100% behind having a black man (or woman) for president...

...just not this one.

See, I'm not a racist either.

[AtomicKitten]

30. Correct on both counts.

[LulaMay]

32. Serial adulterer? The way Obama 'sweetie pies' women, and shows his crotch to photogs, that's nerve

But I'm sure he'd NEVER have an affair with a woman EVER.....ESPECIALLY in the White House!!!!!


Even the Obama supporter men on this board know what a load of hooey that is.

[LulaMay]

33. It's such a rude and cruel thing to slam at Hillary. A woman to woman disgrace. Got friends?

[Catchawave]

40. Divisive poopycock ramblings that is feeding

the politics of hate. Nice going, again.

You need to read this:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/obamicans_pile_on_clinton_at_o.html

[jazzjunkysue]

41. "Hillary is a known to them, and that's why they are voting for her. "

Agreed. Period. That's how this works in most states, folks. That state doesn't have black people, regardless of how they feel about them. He's not like them. Period.

[eleny]

42. And hopefully his policies will help West Viriginians

Helping to create opportunity for its residents and natural resources before each is razed to bits.

[kikiek]

60. Yeah he has talked so much about that. HAH

[rodeodance]

47. I would be happy to vote for a Black man for president--just not this one!!

[kikiek]

51. Right on!

[jillan]

53. Amen!!

[Voltaire]

74. I feel the same way about your candidate

so there we are

[jillan]

52. Serial adulterer??? You resort to using Rovarian terms to describe a very popular Dem President

that won 2 terms? One that had something like a 60% approval rating during his impeachment?

Maybe you better stay away from the booze, or whatever else you may be on.

[rodeodance]

57. the OP lives in sewer RW politics

[ShortnFiery]

80. Sex Addict?

Does that sound better? Seriously, I hope Bill is getting counseling in order to stay on his "woman diet." :shrug:

[Jamastiene]

63. Give it up, Frenchie. Re: "I went to the Beauty Salon today"

Might wanna stick to your blow up doll. The Revered One doesn't even know you exist. :eyes:

[Patsy Stone]

68. Didn't Huckabee win WV?

I wonder how many of them will stay home and choose not vote for McCain.

ed: correction

[Catchawave]

71. Back atcha'.....

[ShortnFiery]

76. Bill and Hill were taken to court by the NAACP after their first election to Gov of AK.

That's a FACT. Truth is: Bill and Hill have always been good at "the southern strategy."

Hillary: 'SPADE WORK' (Clintons' Racist Code Words)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRwZQLdhEw

[amelia]

78. BO won't be the next pres. no matter how many times you say it. There's a huge Oct. surprise waiting

for him. It doesn't just involve Sinclair anymore. The repugs know this and they will spring it on him after the convention IF he wins. BO hasn't been vetted and he has many skeletons in his closet. Let's see how many delegates he will keep when this story keeps leaking.

[FrenchieCat]

79. Freeper should get ready to vote for the AntiChoice NeoCon......

cause will be what's on the menu for you.