+++Major Hillary Blowout Tonight Takes Back Popular Vote; Reverses Course of Race+++

[Austinitis]

With her massive victory tonight Hillary has done what the pundits in Obama's pocket have been describing as impossible - she's halted the Obama juggernaut in its tracks and she's now poised to reverse the course of the race. Only a few pundits recognized the potential impact of West Virginia last week, but tonight's results make those impacts obvious.

Here's what Hillary's major win tonight does to the course of this race:

IMPACT:

West Virginia shows Democrats, super-delegates, and all of America that Obama can't finish the job. We've seen this before: in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Texas, where Obama had huge spending advantages, he's consistently fallen short. And this violates all the historical precedents - usually candidates who fall behind run out of money, support, and news coverage; Hillary hasn't done that. And I'll restate my challenge to Obama supporters:

Seriously, here's the challenge I'm posing to Obama supporters:

• Find any primary frontrunner who this late in the race had this small a lead over his nearest competitor.
  
• Find any primary where this late in the race a candidate had this big a financial or organizational advantage and got this little out of it.

And all of this is despite the huge, http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/04/07/hillary/">widely observed, and http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Austinitis/7">undemocratic biases which favor Obama and which Hillary must overcome. If Obama can't wrap up the nomination with the game stacked in his favor, what hope is there for him in the general election?

IMPACT:

West Virginia highlights for super-delegates Obama's critical weaknesses with working class voters. Let's all be clear on this - West Virginia voters aren't any different than the voters who rejected Obama in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan; there are simply more of those voters. We cannot win in November unless we win those votes.



As the map above shows, we struggled to win those states in 2004 and we cannot allow McCain to put us on the defensive in areas where Obama is likely to alienate major segments of our base.

And super-delegates aren't likely to buy the Obama camp's claim that this is just the way these voters behave in a fight between Democrats. Exit polls from today's race reveal that only 44% of the West Virginia electorate would be satisfied if Obama is the nominee. Again, West Virginia voters aren't different from working class voters in PA - there's just a greater concentration of them. This means that the exit polls from today give us a better picture of how that group of voters thinks, and today's results reveal that they don't think much of Obama. Nothing about today's results should be at all comforting to those of us worried about our prospects this November if Obama is the nominee.

IMPACT:

Todays results from West Virginia once again push Hillary into the lead on the popular vote. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/horseraceblog/chooseyourown.html">Next week's contests promise to entrench that lead further. As we've seen before, the popular vote is by far the best indicator of popular will and it's essential to our prospects for November that super-delegates not overturn popular will.

https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/may13.html">---***KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING***---

[democrattotheend]

1. How do you know what the popular vote is?

You can't tell that until they count all the votes. So how can you say she has regained the popular vote lead?

[Liberal Veteran]

4. Better yet, how do we account for the caucus states?

[Oregone]

26. Or for the primary states with bad weather

:)

Team Hillary will never be able to address that one.

[Liberal Veteran]

36. That's a different story altogether, but there are states that don't hold primaries.

[Oregone]

51. It really isn't. Turnout can be supressed despite voting percentage being accurate.

Which is the same as with caucuses. Turnout is the true variable the popular vote tallys do not take into account. Delegate systems equalize the irregularities between states' processes.

[hokies4ever]

130. We're counting caucus states now?

Sheesh! Next we'll be counting the black vote too. :eyes:

[txaslftist]

182. budabump.

No way they'll count the black vote among the "popular" vote. Everyone knows blacks aren't popular.

[Liberal Veteran]

2. Sigh...one more time: THERE IS NO POPULAR VOTE!

Period.

It's political spin.

Some states don't hold primaries so claiming "popular vote" is insanity.

[Maribelle]

Well Donna Brazile said just tonight she will be looking at the popular vote.

And we all know which side of the fence she has been on since 2004.

[Liberal Veteran]

24. The popular vote of what? Are you going to disenfranchise caucus states?

That is what you are asking to happen.

[Texas Hill Country]

32. ummm... FL... MI.... ummmmm *cough* Glass Houses *Cough*

[Liberal Veteran]

39. Hillary agreed to those rules. NO ONE agreed to disenfranchise caucus states.

[bobbert]

88. She only leads in popular vote with FL & MI

we are saying you have to disenfranchise the caucus states in order to make the statement "Clinton leads in popular vote" so you are including yourself and discounting others. How do you plan to include everybody? Oh I know, delegates assigned by previously agreed upon rules.... let's see who has the delegate lead.

[Leopolds Ghost]

141. She doesn't lead even WITH FL & MI and WV. Don't give them any rope.

[txaslftist]

183. Actually, no. Even w/ FLA and MI counted, she's behind in the pop vote

[verges]

115. Caucus states

didn't break the rules *Cough*

[SwampG8r]

128. mmm ...cough....applesand orages.........cough

mi and fl broke the rules and under the rules cannot claim a disfranchisment
caucus states are not full counts
the "popular vote"is one more hillary fantasy she is "the popular vote" loser anyways

[OnionPatch]

165. Those were not valid elections.

Sorry but a whole hell of a lot of voters stayed home because they knew their vote wouldn't count, plus Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan. I really can't understand how anyone who believes in democracy would think those elections were fair in any way.

[IowaGirl]

149. Speaking as a citizen of a caucus state, they deserve to be disenfranchised!

This nomination proceeding has made me fully aware of how inaccurately the caucus reflects the true will of the majority of the people of a state. I am disgusted that Iowa led people to think that Obama had a chance to win. I feel very sorry for African Americans who got their hopes up. I do believe that America will elect an African American--just not this one. That is, unless things get too ugly in this nomination process.

[redqueen]

168. Enjoy your stay. (nt)

[dionysus]

172. crack is whack yo...

[Leopolds Ghost]

140. "And we all know which side of the fence she has been on since 2004." Admitting Hillary anti-Kerry??

Or are you just saying she's on the "black side of the fence"?

Oops, I think you made a mistake here.

[Texas Hill Country]

3. k & r

[BeyondGeography]

5. Yup...tough night for Barack

[npincus]

41. not so tough- it was expected.

[Road Scholar]

47. 3:00 AM Phone call

Hello, this is Hillary Clinton

Sorry, wrong number

[PoliticalAmazon]

74. It hasn't changed the race at all. Hillary is still irrelevant to moving forward with Obama. n/t

[BeyondGeography]

86. Yeah, I know

Meep, meep.

(Wile E. is destined to fail.)

[GoneOffShore]

91. Good Sig line

And a really good cartoon!!

:rofl:

[jefferson_dem]

6. "Todays results...once again push Hillary into the lead on the popular vote"

Back this assertion up or your whole post is dismissed as bs.

[Occam Bandage]

21. They count FL and MI, and discount actual caucus attendance.

[jefferson_dem]

31. So they discount actual contests but count fictional ones...

in order to butress a metric that doesn't matter anyway?

Hold on...


...


...

:spray:

[txaslftist]

185. That's Hillaryland for ya. You need "IMAGIN_AY_SHUN"

[YDogg]

7. no surprise. no impact.

[Yael]

8. Its. Over.

Really. It is.

[rzemanfl]

9. Horseshit, but fast. n/t

[Oregone]

23. It was prepared. The enthusiasm is timed and rather fake. We all know where its going

[Occam Bandage]

64. Since Austinitis came here talking about how Hillary required a strong astroturfing movement,

I'd be surprised if she didn't have a handful of names with similar levels of enthusiasm across the interwebs.

[Leopolds Ghost]

142. He or she. n/t

[NJSecularist]

10. K&R. With this bigger than expected win, the popular vote argument is back in play. n/t

[LSparkle]

18. Oh yeah, and count Puerto Rico, even though they don't vote in the general ...

Absolutely SPECIOUS argument, but you can waste your hot
air all you want ...

[Occam Bandage]

25. Who was expecting less than 2-1?

[NJSecularist]

27. Hillary was expected to win by 20 points. She has won by almost 35 according to exit polls. n/t

[Occam Bandage]

According to who? Everything I read was in the 30-40 range.

[Faygo Kid]

50. Precisely. Moving the bar - again.

How Hillary handles it from here is going to be something to watch.

[CakeGrrl]

99. Wrong. Newest estimates had her around 35-40%

And Bill was pushing for an 80-20 win.

[scheming daemons]

123. *YOU* posted a poll a week ago showing her up by 43 points.... don't lie, NJS.....

[roguevalley]

134. obama has won a dozen states by 30%+ this is her third. so much for being

more electable.

[graycem]

137. Nuh uh..

even Bill Clinton said it'd be 80/20%. It's a win, no need to make stuff up.

[PermanentRevolution]

109. Wait, weren't you the one...

...predicting a 70% win yesterday? Shouldn't you be upset by her weaker-than-expected performance?

[Leopolds Ghost]

143. Barack did better than polls indicated. You lose.

[dionysus]

173. actually, that argument hasn't been, and never will be in play. you can't change to rules so your

queen can cheat...

[Maribelle]

Congratulations Hillary on this massive victory.

:bounce:


And ouch - the exit polls are pillorying Obama.

[skipos]

11. Ok

# Find any primary frontrunner who this late in the race had this small a lead over his nearest competitor.
What does it matter? This is a unique primary, kind of like 2004. It is a close race, but Obama is leading in the pledged delegates and super delegates. The candidate with the most delegates will be our nominee.

# Find any primary where this late in the race a candidate had this big a financial or organizational advantage and got this little out of it.

Are you talking about Hillary Clinton? Yes, she has had massive sums of money that have mostly gone to polls, research groups and Mark Penn, but I'd say Giulliani was even more wasteful than she was.

[HockeyMom]

12. As we say where I am from,

Wanna buy a bridge??????

[Major Hogwash]

13. Hillary is not a Major. She never even served in the military.

Even though she was "ducking sniper fire" in Bosnia.

[LSparkle]

14. The dying gasps of a desperate campaign ...

Are you dizzy from all the spinning yet?

[dysfunctional press]

15. name me one election where the second-place finisher was given the nomination...

'nuf said.

[Austinitis]

22. Texas, if Obama pulls this out

also Nevada.

[Occam Bandage]

29. Can you name any primary in which the second-place finisher got the nomination? Any?

[roguevalley]

136. one state as opposed to many? the SD's won't buy it. She's history.

[dysfunctional press]

148. i think you misunderstood the question...

i was talking about the overall process, not individual primaries- not too many candidates win every primary contest.

[Leopolds Ghost]

Walter Mondale? Hubert Humphrey? George W. Bush?

McGovern was abandoned in the general election by the "hard hats" who wanted the second place finisher to win on the grounds that blacks and hippies (who they still felt literally deserved to be beaten up or shot, like in 1968) had tainted the nomination process.

[Occam Bandage]

16. No surprises tonight, so no change of course. Sorry.

[Connie_Corleone]

17. Rabid Hillary supporters must have the thickest skulls.

The nominee is chosen by DELEGATES!

IT IS OVER!!

[nxylas]

38. Aww, let Austinitis enjoy the taste of victory while she can

If her delusions make her happy, what harm do they do? I do worry what it's going to do to her when Hillary finally does drop out, though.

[Bucky]

19. Welcome to DU, Mr. McAuliffe!

And ignore those naysayers. West Virginia will be an extra special win for your gal!

[islandmkl]

20. this is really not easy for you, is it?

remind us all of how important W. Va. was to hillary on 02.04.08....

no more important TO HER than it really is now...

[Hawkeye-X]

28. Major?? Man, you are SO delusional.

12 net delegates for Hillary is major? That's a itch on Obama's shoulder that he'll be scratching tomorrow with a few more endorsements.

Oh yeah, lay down the pipe and stop bullshitting us about popular votes - that's what GE is for, not the primaries - it's the delegates that matter.

Hell, Obama could even win WV if the delegates are correctly proportioned to his favor.

Hawkeye-X

[bunnies]

30. This is satire..... right?

:shrug:

[Maribelle]

33. Ha ha ha - - it seems Obama supporters cannot trash this thread often enough.

And we once called wingnuts a freakin bunch of hate mongers.

[Hawkeye-X]

49. Show me where we say we hate Hillary?

Come on, I dare you.

You're just mad because Obama's the presumptive nominee, and Hillary ain't.

That's all I'm saying, and congratulations to your WV win tonight.

Hawkeye-X

[Maribelle]

52. You show me where I said you did, hero.

[Hawkeye-X]

56. Uh. You stated that fact, you gotta back it up, Maribelle.

I don't have to do a thing. I know where we Obama supporters stand.

Hawkeye-X

[Maribelle]

68. Wrong. I said we once called wingnuts freakin hate mongers.

Give it up, hero.

[Occam Bandage]

76. Why the past tense? Do you believe that wingnuts are no longer hate mongers?

[juajen]

107. I believe that's "presumptious nominee" isn't it?

[Austinitis]

118. He is that...

[dionysus]

175. you need a nap and your banky... it's over...

[SteelPenguin]

176. I like Clinton

I didn't vote for Obama (or Clinton).

I still think the concept is ridiculous and paints the supporters of it in a bad light. It was said better upthread. Hillary supporters now are discounting valid elections (the caucuses) and counting invalid ones (florida and michigan) to buttress support of a metric (the popular vote) which has no meaning.

Make your argument for Hillary Clinton in a rational, reasonable way. Obama doesn't have the nomination 100% sewn up. The superdelegates, even the pledged ones, can vote any which way they want come the convention.

I don't see the game as being over, but if you want to make up your own rules and bullshit metrics along the way you're gonna lose rational thinkers who smell the spin.

[AllexxisF1]

34. Urghh..

THE POPULAR VOTE DOES NOT MEAN SHIT. PLEDGE DELEGATES DO.


Good God people, the popular vote matters to the nomination as much as tampons are important to an elephant.

[Fox Mulder]

35. Everyone knew Hillary was going to win this state for weeks.

How can there be a change of course?

Nothing new came out of tonight.

[Maribelle]

63. Everyone knew Hillary was going to win Florida for week. That's why Kerry proclaimed on election eve

Florida's votes would not count. Kerry was trying to dissuade voters from voting. But Florida's votes did count. And if the election were held today in Florida, Obama would once again be defeated by huge numbers, I would bet.

[Fox Mulder]

66. We could get into this, but I won't.

Florida broke the rules. They don't count.

[Occam Bandage]

72. Keep in mind that Hillary agreed FL and MI votes wouldn't count, too.

[Maribelle]

75. She never did.

[Occam Bandage]

81. "Well, you know, It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything"

[rox63]

112. WTF are you talking about? Kerry had absolutely nothing to do with whether FL votes counted or not

Delusional much? :crazy:

[chknltl]

37. BEETLEJUICE! BEETLEJUICE! BEETLEJUICE!

There all better now.

[SeattleGirl]

40. In other words, "West Virginia decides it all and all the other votes

cast before, all the pledged delegates, all the SuperDel's going with Obama don't count a whit." :eyes:

[phrigndumass]

42. .

mmmmm, thick

[maddiejoan]

54. I drink your milkshake!

GOMAMA!

[phrigndumass]

92. Damn, I shoulda brought two straws!

:D

[maddiejoan]

95. Thanks for laughing!

:toast:

[phrigndumass]

101. Look, I found us a rainbow straw

I don't know how the hell they plan on sucking that pineapple through the straw, though.

:toast:

[RichardRay]

43. Uhhhh, no, actually... n/t

[cali]

44. Sorry. Hill is still crispy toast. And Obama has the SDs he needs

to get to 2025. He won more delegates this week than Hilly despite her blowout win in VA. And Obama is now leading by 20 in Oregon. And please don't make crap up. Hilly never led in the popular vote and she still doesn't. It's delusional at this point to think Hilly has a chance to be the nominee.

[Faygo Kid]

45. All that, and Heaven, too. And celestial choirs will sing . . .

Her campaign tactics did what they were intended to do.

Watch for more superdelegates to go to Obama tomorrow.

This post is breathless hyperbole.

[chknltl]

46. dupe. sorry

[LSparkle]

48. Does anyone remember the POTOMAC PRIMARIES?

Talk about BLOWOUTS ... So she wins ONE CONTEST by this
margin; he had several such wins in ONE NIGHT.

[Major Hogwash]

53. There is no correlation between the General election and the Primary election.

You guys knew that, didn't you?

[Austinitis]

61. Tonight shows that a major part of the Dem base rejects Obama. We can't win without them.

So there's a pretty strong correlation.

[Occam Bandage]

73. She's indeed strengthened her argument for the VP slot. However, there are certainly

Democrats with higher blue-collar appeal than Ms. Clinton.

[Major Hogwash]

79. There's absolutely no correlation. None whatsoever. Nil, zip, zero, as in nada.

You understand English, don't you?

[gorekerrydreamticket]

146. West Virginia shows that a major part of the Dem base rejects Obama?

:rofl:

[backscatter712]

55. Reverses my ass.

Go back on your antipsychotics.

The math has been against her for months, and this week, she's fallen so far behind with the recent superdelegate endorsements that she's literally mathematically unable to win.

Enjoy your laurels today, but reality will kick in soon enough.

[Occam Bandage]

60. Everyone saw this one coming. She'll win KY, too. And that won't matter, either.

[Austinitis]

62. Something doesn't have to be surprising to matter

Obama's caucus victories in Feb were expected, but he still insists those matter.

[Occam Bandage]

70. They matter inasmuch as they give delegates, yes. But an expected result does nothing

to change the perception of the race. Obama's been trotting out four SDs per day--do you think they didn't see this coming? Do you think SDs don't have access to the same polling we do? He'll continue to keep the SD faucets on, he'll crush her in the final three states, and he'll keep on rolling to victory.

[Justitia]

57. LOL - you're funny.

[BlooInBloo]

58. I assume you're kidding.

[Patsy Stone]

59. Puff, Puff, Give

Share your drugs with the rest of the class. Don't bogart.

[cyndensco]

65. Goodness, they really are predictable, huh?

:boring:

[jaysunb]

67. Congrats to Sen Clinton & supporters !

Remedial math class begins at midnight. Try not to miss it. Chuck Todd is guest lecturer. :evilgrin:

[nadinbrzezinski]

69. Did she get 75%

Not so far.. will see

She needs to repeat this in every other contest by the way

[gort]

71. Hillary was supposed to close the "Deal" on Super Tuesday

She lost.


Obama 08

[Life Long Dem]

77. Your living in a dream world.

The races, so far, in terms of margins. Obama won them all except the two in italics and now it sounds like Clinton can add WV.

1. Virgin Islands (84.4%)

2. Idaho (64.4%)

3. Hawaii (52.6%)

4. District of Columbia (52.0%)

5. Alaska (50.6%)

6. Kansas (48.4%)

7. Washington (36.8%)

8. Georgia (36.2%)

9. Nebraska (35.4%)

10. Colorado (34.6%)

11. Minnesota (34.6%)

12. Dems Abroad (34.0%)

13. Illinois (32.8%)

14. South Carolina (29.1%)

15. Oklahoma (27.4%)

16. Arkansas (27.1%)

17. Maryland (25.8%)

18. North Dakota (25.2%)

19. Mississippi (25.0%)

20. Wyoming (23.8%)

21. Lousiana (23.8%)

22. Vermont (23.4%)

23. Maine (19.3%)

24. Utah (18.4%)

[Heather MC]

78. Obama can conceed WVA. Let Hillary have some dignity and go out on a big win!

The numbers overall don't change.
Obama still has a lead
in
Pledged delegates (the only true determination in who gets the nomination)
Most states won 32 to 16
Popular Vote 16 mill to about 15.3 mill

There are a lot of teams who win playoffs but not the superbowl
Way to go Hillary!!
Now go away!! LOL

[YDogg]

98. dignity?

:rofl:

she lost than when she hopped on the "stand in the schoolhouse door" train, if not before.

[Heather MC]

105. I am not good at being humble, stop laughing people will know I am faking!

:rofl:

[DearAbby]

80. Changes nothing really....

like scoring points in a Basketball game, after the buzzer goes off. Popular vote? this is a primary dearie...Delegates not Popular votes count...how do you factor in the Caucus states? Or should I not bother to vote in Novemeber since my Caucus state doesn't count?

[Shakespeare]

82. You're nutty. n/t

[Maribelle]

83. The DNC and the superdelegates need to take a good hard look at why Obama did so poorly tonight.

[Occam Bandage]

87. Why? WV is not a state that Democrats are going to win in November. Why does it matter to SDs

which candidate they prefer?

[Austinitis]

104. Because WV, being a relatively pure sample of working-class white voters, is our best evidence

for what those voters will do in states like PA, OH, and MI come fall. So maybe you don't care about WV, but you should care about what it tells us.

[Occam Bandage]

106. It's rather silly to claim that they're better evidence than actual polling taken of those voters.

[Austinitis]

114. As I said on the other thread, where are those polls?

[Phillycat]

162. WV went blue in 92 and 96.

[verges]

116. Poorly?

Didn't he do what was about to be expected? And didn't he keep Sen Clinton's victory to well below 80% (which, I believe is what she really needed)?
Yes, it's a victory for Sen Clinton, technically. But, insofar as she didn't achieve her necessary goals, it's also a huge failure. And since Sen Obama matched expectations, he technically lost; but by achieving his goal, he, in a small way won.

[JasonHill]

124. im sure they will

and they will look at where all the candidates did poor/well overall, the political viability of their choice, etc. In the end this is all moot because, barring complete collapse, Obama will retain the lead in all important metrics - DNC sanctioned or otherwise - and become the nominee.

[Undercurrent]

84. Huh?

I live in a caucus state. We went for Obama. The OP is telling me that my state doesn't count.

Sad, crazy talk. :crazy:

[NeedleCast]

85. Hillary Score Touchdown with 20 seconds left on the clock

Unfortunately the score is now 28-7.

[PseudoIntellect]

89. Obama +736,579 +2.2%

Do you think a state with 28 delegates will have a large enough turnout to overturn the popular vote.

And if it does, what would that imply? Popular vote doesn't decide the primaries, nor should it.

[emilyg]

90. k/r

[gcomeau]

93. Well?

I'm waiting for the punchline here... no way was that OP title serious obviously.

[GoneOffShore]

94. Maybe the mods will let you change your handle - Diverticulitis

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

96. Translation: Also ran scores minor victory in irrelevant contest.

[zulchzulu]

97. No matter how much lipstick you put on a pig, it's still a pig

The nomination is based on delegates.

Obama is going to be the nominee. Clinton has about a 2% chance of being the nominee...unless she tries to cheat and somehow gets others to go along with her ploy.

What will that do? Destroy the Democratic party. Period. Game. Set. Match.

Is that what the Clintons want? They don't care. For them, it's all about them. Oddly, they vote like Republicans.

Who was voted for Obama in the primary season? Everyone. Unions. Teachers. White. Blacks. Hispanics and Latinos. Gays. Catholics. Independents. Republicans. The meme that whites don't vote for Obama is utterly without fact:



I congratulate the Clinton team on their West Virginia vote, however meaningless it is in the full scheme of things.

[bvar22]

100. ?

!

[Oilwellian]

119. ROFL

That cartoon is hysterical. :D

[AtomicKitten]

102. And she'll huff and she'll puff and she'll blow those convention doors down!

:silly:

Gawd, we'll miss all this when Barack takes the nomination in the next couple weeks.

Really, I mean it.

[JeffR]

103. Keep pitchin' there, sport.

But remember that reality has a real fondness for a hanging fastball right over the plate. Be prepared to watch that baby sail right over the left field fence.

[milkyway]

108. You're right! You should go to hillaryclinton.com and donate your next paycheck.

[RBInMaine]

110. In your dreams maybe.

[yourguide]

111. weren't you the same guy that said guam was an indicator

of how poorly he would do in NC and Indiana?

[Austinitis]

113. That was explicitly a joke. Go check the thread

[Elspeth]

117. kick

:kick:

Even though this forum is such a cess pool

[Johnny__Motown]

120. Sock puppet spin... please.... nobody is buying this crap

[TBF]

121. Oh for gods sake, she can't beat Obama but she's supposed to be able to beat McCain.

Give it a rest already. Better yet, work on your math. You obviously skipped a few decades of it.

[Edgewater_Joe]

122. Out On A Hill, Sang A Lonely Goat -

YodeLAYhe, YodeLAYhe, YodaLAY - HEE- HOO!

Translation (coursesy of Sam Seder): Stop living in a fantasyland, Hillbot, and either start coping with the fact that she lost or go to FreeRepublic.com and just openly shill for McSameAsBush - the candidate you help with these delusions.

P.S.: Your facts are wrong. Obama will NOT lose the popular vote no matter how many dreamy dreams you dream.

[donheld]

125. again

[Orangepeel]

126. thanks, Terry

but didn't Bill say she'd win 80%?

[ElsewheresDaughter]

127. the will of the people

[Quixote1818]

129. LOL! I wouldn't get your hopes up. nt

[crimsonblue]

131. Hey, I've got some swamp land in Dumbfuckistan if you'd like to buy it...

It's reallll nice, and reality exists only as you want it to...

[Austinitis]

132. I wouldn't want to make you move out of your house there

I hear your family's been living there for generations...

[crimsonblue]

133. nah, we lived in Elitistan...

where reality exists as it really is, and the goalposts are cemented to the ground.

[crimsonblue]

135. It's fitting that the site that "gives" Clinton the lead

has the address ending with "Choose your own." Nice try, dumbass.

[ElkHunter]

138. Austinitis sounds like the Stalinist true believers of the 1930's...

...who also spouting the party line with enthusiasm and conviction no matter how ridiculous the premise.

:rofl:

Hillaryism should be now be given official cult status because it's clearly obvious that Hillaroids have become detached from reality.

[papapi]

139. HA! HA! HA! In your dreams.

Obama leads in popular, superdelegate and states won. Dems need to get behind him now and help him sweep the repugnatcans out of Washington. He WILL change history so quit thinking in the past, help us all win our future.

[workinclasszero]

144. Posting on DU and smoking crack don't mix

Just sayin...

Obama will take back all of Hillary's gains in Oregon. And tonight at this moment he is far ahead of Hillary.

[Mz Pip]

145. Sorry but

there aren't that many people in WV.

[aquarius dawning]

147. If Obama can't wrap up the nomination with the game stacked in his favor, what hope is there for him

in the general election?

K&R for that.

[ImpeechBush]

150. 41% margin certainly give you pause

The theme we've been hearing all week is that the decision is made, it's over, time to turn it into a consensus. And now the party leader has lost every county in W.Va. and is behind in the popular vote by 41% with 90% in. This is little difficult to shrug off as no big deal.

[rg302200]

151. WV is not the same as Ohio

Because unless Strickland is on the ticket no dem will win this time around (I know I live here) besides your posting is doing nothing more than making me pee my pants with laughter. If you think WV is an impact state then you need to stop puffing on what ever it is your smoking. Obama destroyed her in traditionally red states by WAY bigger %. It's sad to see the fantasy world Hillary's supporters are now living in!

[ImpeechBush]

152. "Obama destroyed her in traditionally red states by WAY bigger %"

Hmmm. I think that's exactly the point that Clinton is trying to make. Obama won the states unlikely to go to Democrats in the fall. It sounds like you are confirming that.

[rg302200]

188. WV is a red state

I was simply saying that a big win in WV is no more important than any other win of Hillary's because she has not won a state that she wasn't supposed to win. The point being is that Obama appeals to more votes than Hillary does, remember Independents and moderate Republicans have not voted in these primaries and will play a large part in Obama's win...

To quote my local Republican County Chair....."If Hillary wins the primary I will vote for McCain because I despise her so much, but of Obama wins I probably wouldn't vote or would vote for Obama because I am not fond of McCain and at least Obama is not Clinton....."

Bye bye now Hillary!

[Anderson Perez]

153. Kentucky has more people than Oregon

So i assume, though I'm not 100% sure, that more people will vote in the Kentucky contest than in Oregon. Added to that the fact that Clinton will win KY with a larger margin than Obama will win OR, I conclude that once those states have voted, Clinton will have inched closer to the popular vote lead, or surpassed Obama.

[NewHampshireDem]

155. Some numbers

There are officially 1,629,845 registered Democratic voters in KY.

http://www.wnky.net/news/local/18582684.html

The count for the same is 826,984 in Oregon.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2008/04/surge_in_democratic_voter_regi.html

Both are closed primaries and the deadline to register or change party affiliation has passed.

[democrattotheend]

160. But Oregon has more Democrats

So there will probably be more votes cast in Oregon, especially since I read somewhere that people who wanted to vote in the Kentucky Democratic primary who were registered with another party had to switch their registration by January to be eligible to vote in the primary.

[NewHampshireDem]

154. Do you get tired of being wrong every time we have a primary?

Just askin' ...

[FatDave]

156. Damn, that's a lot of hoopla for a net gain of what, 10 delegates?

A temporary net gain at that? A net gain already made irrelevant by superdelegate movement this week?

[dana_b]

157. three and a half more weeks of this b.s.??

:banghead:

[anigbrowl]

158. Hillary posts fastest lap, Obama still 10 laps ahead

Posting the fastest lap in a motor race is an achievement, but it never alters the outcome. Same here.

Popular vote - big deal. She only comes out ahead if you monkey with the math (eg including MI and FL, excluding all the caucus states) and that'll even up in ensuing contests.

[Imperialism Inc.]

159. Wow. That is the most delusional thing I have ever read at DU.

I didn't think there was much that could top the stuff in the Health forums or when there used to be an astrology forum but this clearly takes the cake. If you actually believe that crap then, well, I honestly feel sorry for you. I don't understand how such a thing happens to someone. wow.

[Meshuga]

161. LOL - nice spin work there!

How do you figure the caucus in the popular vote? Anyway, keep re-reading your own OP to yourself if it makes you feel better because reality is a bitch!

[Vinca]

163. Don't you get tired Austinitis? That long, long post was much ado

about nothing. It's in the bag. Obama will be the nominee. There is no way she can win. She could have West Virginia-size victories in the rest of the states and she still couldn't win.

[Austinitis]

169. I get tired to watching Obama try to dismiss Hillary only to get smacked down

I mean, I don't want to get stuck with a guy in November who's this bad at politics.

[indimuse]

164. 10,000 K&R'S!!! yeeehaaaw...

Isn't it time for Obama to "Retire?" I mean...

[SeaLyons]

166. Hillary Crushed Obama in WV...

Momentum is on!!!

Go Hillary!!

[lojasmo]

167. LOL WUT? Nothing changes. EOM

[Laurab]

170. These posts are beginning to crack me up.

Surely the OP doesn't believe what they posted, or if they do they need help. Even Hillary knows it's over. Isn't it time to get behind the winning candidate?

[dionysus]

171. nice try, but contrary to the truth...

[barack the house]

174. West Virginia was always for Clinton and he barely campaigned there.

[Austinitis]

178. So? He still lost by 40+ points. n./t

[Raffi Ella]

177. just donated $100

An investment in my future - OUR Future!

Thank You Austinitis :patriot:





:kick: :kick: :kick:

[GarbagemanLB]

179. A couple dozen more glazed donuts for Mark Penn. He thanks you!

[Austinitis]

180. It's better than sending it to Obama, who wastes it and gets nothing for it

[Occam Bandage]

181. Nothin' but the nomination, it seems.

Oh, and most likely the White House, too.

[Bensthename]

184. Nothing but winning more primaries, votes, delegates, and superdelegates..

Just those small things..

Oh, and the dem nomination

[MarjorieG]

186. Bill's win, per 75% of exit polls. He wasn't praising Obama.

Also low turnout. Many may have heard this thing is over, and didn't vote.

There is no ONE working class, and Obama has improved in all the groups from OH to PA to IN.

[rhett o rick]

187. Bullshit and rhetoric. "now she is poised to reverse the course of the race". Let's think about

that sentence. You are saying simply that she is poised. She hasn't yet reversed the course, she is only "poised". Even if Obama has lost the momentum, how is she going to get the delegate count? Sorry to tell you but popular vote count don't mean schtuff. Every day more and more super-delegates switch from Clinton to Obama.

Even if you could convince everyone that Sen Clinton would do better in November what exactly are you asking people to do? Most have already voted giving Obama the lead. Delegates have been chosen.

Please back up your statement that she leads in the popular vote.

[Occam Bandage]

189. Just wanted to say how hilariously laughable this post is by now.

[jonestonesusa]

190. Don't forget to specify "white" working class

as Hillary Clinton did herself. Black people work, too.