Clinton supporter against Obama pledged delegates switching to Clinton

[liberalcommontater]

I don't see why Obama supporters are happy. What happens if some switch for Hillary? What if Hillary holds out until the convention and asks the delegates, all of them, to vote their conscience, or to vote for who they think at that moment will win in November? And they vote for her?! While I would want them to, I don't think it is right. The primaries will truly mean nothing.

I would much rather that the pledged delegates vote how they are pledged and the supers vote for who they think will win. If Obama gets it, so be it. If Clinton gets it, so be it too.

[Yael]

1. She is the one who said they weren't pledged at all

before she announced that they would be working on poaching them.

She can't cry foul when it works against her...

[MannyGoldstein]

2. This Obama Supporter Agrees

I'm amused - and it does nothing to change outcome - but it's wrong.

[DB1]

11. I also am an Obamamaniac, and that was premature. Patience is needed.

[islandmkl]

3. welcome to DU...

take a seat, watch a little, ENNNJOY yourself...

don't worry about what you don't understand...

it will become clear at some point...like by osmosis.

[tekisui]

4. I think Pledged Delegates should stick with their voters.

However, Hillary is the one who called them "so-called Pledged Delegates". No rules are being broken.

Go, Obama!

[BayouBengal07]

5. If that happened I'd vote for her

But I don't have to worry about that because it won't happen.

[LSparkle]

6. Pledged delegates don't USUALLY switch sides -- it's a real no-no

Supers can change but only THIS YEAR (and only from the Clinton
campaign) have I heard the argument that "pledged delegates aren't
really pledged." It just "isn't done."

[AllentownJake]

7. I don't like it

However the fact that she lobbied for it makes it kind of justice.

[mckeown1128]

8. Why don't you ask Hillary that question...

Obama supporters are tickled by Hillary pledged delegates switching because it was HILLARY who introduced the concept of pledged delegates could switch side. She took the outrageous step first and now she has to deal with it.

[Aloha Spirit]

9. A bunch of us Obamans on a thread earlier agreed pledge delegate traitors are stupid.

[liberalcommontater]

25. Thanks, I did not see it.

[charlie]

10. Got a link to the happy Obama supporters?

Haven't seen them.

[liberalcommontater]

18. Some here...

Oops, replied to the wrong post.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3306935

[charlie]

22. The consensus is that he's wrong

So why are you busting on "Obama supporters" for being happy about it when all but a few say he shouldn't do it?

[liberalcommontater]

24. Not busting,

glanced down the comments and saw some were happy. The headline, BREAKING also got me going. You are right, most think it is wrong, to their credit. I am more concerned in this situation with a credible nominee even if it is not my first or second choice. We have enough chaos with super delegates. Think what will happen if it does go to the convention and pledged delegates are not really "pledged?" Even if this worked to Hillary's advantage, I have a problem with it.

[charlie]

27. Well fortunately

we're all (both camps) pretty much in agreement. I think you're mistaking gleeful amusement with approval. It's wrong and it's funny as hell. Obamans don't need or deserve to be called out for it.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. Pledged delegates are supposed to be extreme loyalists.

So either they didn't properly choose and vet their pledged delegates. Because they're incompetent.

Or the delegate was so disgusted with Clinton's recent antics that even he or she had enough.

Either way, it's hillaryous.

[liberalcommontater]

17. Some here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3306935

[Gore1FL]

13. I am against pledged delegates doing that as well

at least until they are released or until the 4th vote (if there is one.)

[Boz]

14. She has already asked that and in fact since SuperTuesday her campaign has been predicated on that

very thing happening and being possible.

The difference is Obamas team did his hoemwork when choosing delegates and they chose people that won't slip.

Clintons team did not, and in several cases, one most notably pennsylvania did not even meet the deadline to supply the delegate lists.

In fact Hillary supporters moved the deadline for her in pennsylvania and her team still failed to supply a complete list, thats why she is in danger of losing delegates and why they will be shaky for her.

[CakeGrrl]

15. I'm not comfortable about it, but no one can dispute that Hillary reaped what she has sown

She talked up the notion that they weren't really pledged, and in another short-sighted move, I guess she didn't anticipate that they would move away from her and to Obama.

She set herself up for that one.

[MattBaggins]

19. The world wants to know

does she like her crow in pie with gravy or served cold in aspic?

Pledged delegates should not switch. I hope Hillary apologizes for suggesting that they were fair game.

[CatsDogsBabies]

16. Why didn't it occur to her

thatthis could be used against her. I have read people on this board supporting HRC by using arguments about delegates changing their vote. It seems that it would be obvious to anyone that this could work both ways.

[liberalcommontater]

20. Agreed, and that is the problem...

The supers were always intended to be flexible. If pledged does not mean pledged, then what does it mean?

[DearAbby]

21. What if the earth opened up and swallowed half the country?

What if a frog had wings?

[sandnsea]

23. I don't think pledged delegates should switch - but

I think it is sweet sweet justice that a delegate switched away from Hillary after her campaign to convince them it was okay to switch.

[barack the house]

26. Yep in all ethical reality it makes sense.

[mohc]

28. This switch is going to be an anomaly

Most pledged delegates are hardcore supporters that are not going to switch even though they can. I think what made this a bit of a special case is that this delegate was originally supporting Obama, and was doing so as recently as December of last year. That he was selected as a pledged PLEO after eventually endorsing Clinton is probably a bit of an oversight on the part of the Clinton campaign. Hopefully this will be enough to get the rules changed next time around and will in the end be a good thing.