This is a pretty bad speech from Clinton.

[Guaranteed]

I think she's going to look back on it eventually and wish she hadn't given it.


The crowd sucks, too.

[rusty quoin]

1. I won't be going to Hillary.com

[Liberal Veteran]

2. I've heard from the reality challenged Clinton campaign insiders it was the greatest speech EVER.

:rofl:

[YDogg]

13. EVAR!

FTFY.

:-)

[PoliticalAmazon]

128. God, I'm getting Karen Hughes flashbacks tonight...

McAuliff is Hillary's Karen Hughes, and her campaign is as clueless and lying as Bush Jr's was.

No matter what Bush did, no batter how bad he fucked it up, Karen Hughes would always cackle "He hit a HOME RUN!"

The rest of his campaign was just as bad.

I think I'm going to go take a shower. Suddenly I feel defiled.

[MadBadger]

3. They were billing it as the best ever

It hardly is.

[high density]

4. This is the greatest speech ever?

"I'm great I'm wonderful we must seat FL and MI give me money yes yes yes"

[Guaranteed]

20. I think watching Obama speak spoils us.

She's "strong," but not very passionate.

Plus, she's freaking out of her mind in what she's saying.

[MadBadger]

5. She has no passion

[maryallen]

109. Neither does the audience.

Their enthusiasm seems rather forced, stilted ...

[likesmountains 52]

6. She's begging...

[Kittycat]

15. For money?

My bet was 5min and some odd seconds in.

[likesmountains 52]

23. oh, it was way before that! Sounds like she's teaching Civics 101

[YDogg]

7. they sure as hell aren't hanging on her every painfully read word.

[Mariotti]

8. Nice, unbiased, level-headed analysis

Bravo. Bravissimo.

[Guaranteed]

95. Dude, you can't make a good speech when you're kidding yourself

and everyone else.

[high density]

9. 2209 only in Clinton land

She is now running in the Clinton party it seems.

[Kittycat]

21. They sound so ignornant when they do stuff like that.

[bobbert]

89. She has to ingrain it in their heads in order to have a chance to debunk Obama's speech next week

[stranger_with_candy]

10. same speech she gave after indiana

boring

[Kittycat]

37. The one that she Xerox'd about a 1/3 of from Obama's speech the week before?

[Hawkeye-X]

11. Greatest..... Speech..... Ever.....

NOT!!!!

[Ichingcarpenter]

27. I want to thank you again for my star

but the speech sounds tired and simplistic, lacking in truth.

She is gonna be hit hard on this speech.

[Hawkeye-X]

112. You're welcome

Now let's git-r-done!

[Ichingcarpenter]

12. 2209 delegates she just said it

OK, I'm getting pissed now.

[Hawkeye-X]

16. She's getting even more delusional as usual..

She won't get the MI/FL - it's a wash.

[Guaranteed]

28. Yup. The floggings will continue. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

46. LOL..... OK,

I need to open a bottle of wine for the pain.

Tell me when I need to bend over.

This is not a great speech as it was billed.
She has had much better speeches.

[Mooney]

14. Everyone knows the party's over.

The hot tub is cold.

[Edgewater_Joe]

17. Delirious-ary

She has simply lost contact with the real world.

Pathetic.

[eleny]

18. It doesn't sound like a huge crowd

But that could be the location of the mics. I haven't seen much in the way of long shots.

[tishaLA]

19. It's TERRIBLE. All process.

People don't care about this "seat MI and FL" thing. And then she says she is addressing things that matter to the people. WTF? She spent 3 minutes talking about primary metrics.

[iamthebandfanman]

68. she has the republican mentality

repeat something enough and they will believe it to be so.

its worked the last 8 years for the majority of the country, why wouldnt it work now on democrats who arent involved in politics year round.

[iamthebandfanman]

77. why do i feel like im watching bush ?

i have the uncontrolable urge to turn the tv off. something i only usually feel when listening to chimpy or one of the other goons in this administration.

all she does is make me not like her more.

*sigh*

[CakeGrrl]

126. Yes!

I'm glad it's not just me.

It's to the point where you just KNOW she's going to spew some bullshit if you listen long enough - and it doesn't take very long.

:grr:

Supers, come on out so Obama can close this out in Oregon. The "2209" crap needs to stop.

Does she think she's endearing herself to anyone in Congress with this crap? Apparently she isn't concerned with torching bridges in case of a return to the Senate.

[roguevalley]

136. I think they are going to jump on the next win he has. They just are waiting

for his win and it will be my beloved oregon. Yea!

[RiverStone]

22. Is it my imagination, or does something seem different about the crowd?

[YDogg]

32. well, the ones behind her don't seem too focused on what she is saying

until she hits the obvious applause lines.

[goclark]

88. Where did they find these people?

For all those votes, this is the best they could do?

If so, Diebold was working over time.

These people can hardly raise the Hillary cards.

The one Brother may not know that he is even where he is ~
This is sad.

Where is the big Ballroom space?

They should have held it outdoors on a large farm.
That would have been classy.

The cows could be there and they could say Moo Moo on cue.

[grannylib]

24. I can't believe she's still trying to make the case that she should

have the nomination. I cannot believe it. She's begging. Shamelessly.

It's pretty sad.

[babylonsister]

41. Moving the goal posts, changing the rules, and claiming she won MI.

:puke:

[YDogg]

25. the speech is still suckin'

[jefferson_dem]

26. Why does Hillary fucking LIE?!

She's as bad as chimpy. I mean that literally.

She makes shit up, says it, and expects people to just say "YES".

2025.

[TeamJordan23]

31. playing to her lower information base. nm

[Kittycat]

Because she's running a republican campaign.

[AllentownJake]

29. This is the worst speech

I've ever seen.

[Guaranteed]

38. She's looking at her cards more than at her audience. nt

[Tatiana]

30. I've never seen her so flat. Even after the Potomac Primaries. n/t

[bobbert]

34. now swing states are important, not big states

But I guess she decides what a swing state is

[YDogg]

40. but she's ready for mccain!!!!1111!!!

[high density]

33. This is a rather depressing thing to listen to

What world is this woman on?

[Guaranteed]

She's throwing her career out the window.

Flushing all goodwill toward her down the toilet.

[SoCalDem]

35. "Standing up for the deepest principles of our party".. um Not quite

we stand AGAINST racism and division

[jenmito]

36. "Go to www.Hillary.com." "You need 2209 delegates to be the nominee."

Cheesy BS!

[Tatiana]

39. "You know I never give up."

"I'll keep coming back..."

Oh, that's what I was afraid of.

[Guaranteed]

80. Hey, "this race isn't about who's up or who's down, who's in or who's out"

It's not about whether...she can win.


But she's gonna win! :eyes:

[Tatiana]

116. That pretty much sums it up. n/t

[zulchzulu]

42. Did she say no Democrat ever won the Presidency with West Virginia since 1960?

Methinks she forgot Bill won in 1992 and 1996 with West Virginia...

[zulchzulu]

55. I've noticed quite a few people are not clapping... n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

1916 and she meant that whoever wins the state in the primary

wins in the GE

[dascientist]

43. I'm a Obama supporter, and the speech is not totally bad

she is choosing her words VERY CAREFULLY

[stranger_with_candy]

44. the only entertaining part of this speech

is the woman behind her with the red hair.

[nomaco-10]

52. And the guy clapping with a bowling pin. n/t

[stranger_with_candy]

60. LOL

i just noticed him that is pretty funny.

[Ice-9]

45. It's not over yet.

But I agree that the first part was no great shakes. I don't think any great speech has begun with the speaker asking people to give him or her money.

[Liberal Veteran]

92. Obviously you don't recall this little gem....

"Four score and seven months ago, I embarked on this mission with less than 300 dollars in my pocket to become President of the United States of America and we really need those donations to keep coming up to finance the debt I have racked up, so spare a penny or spare a dollar by pony express to A. Lincoln@White House. (tepid applause) Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal........"

They just edited the first part out for posterity.

[Ice-9]

110. LOL!

Well, it's over now, and I don't think the Gettysburg Address has anything to worry about.

:rofl:

[graycem]

119. OMG..

I try, usually, to not pile on, but that's hilarious in any setting... :rofl:

[CalGator]

47. did she just mention standing up to corporate special interests?!?!?!

:rofl:

[bobbert]

63. She said she stands up for the people she worked for her entire life

That includes Wal-Mart, right?

[nadinbrzezinski]

48. I hate to say it, but she is going through the motions

That said, fully and I mean this.. FULLY, she needs to shore up the troops and recoup some of the money

[Guaranteed]

62. Well, yeah, she knows she's lost.

She's just gonna up drum up some money to pay off the bills, then stop spending, but act like she's still campaigning.

[nadinbrzezinski]

117. I can't blame her for that

politics 101... even the day before you concede, keep acting like you are fully in the game

The best example this year is actually Huckabee and when this is over, she will be even better

[C_U_L8R]

49. It's all about her, isn't it

and i've never seen so many straw men marched out in a row.

so far it's pretty forgettable.

[yourguide]

50. HAHAHAHAHA...

it must be opposite day.

[Vote2008]

51. She is a bad speaker. I miss Obama!

[tokenlib]

53. She should have substituted the SNL video...

Sounds sort of similar..

[DeschutesRiver]

54. God, I just heard that

2209 delegates needed. Seat FL/MI. I am waiting for the money pitch, should be any moment now.

This is beyond embarassing. And I thought this was supposed to be the "speech to end all speeches" - when does that start? Or is she thinking about this victory she gained with the help of her white voters like me and won't vote blacks, and feeling how history will regard this? So I agree that not only will she regret this someday, she may already be regretting it.

She is to do her final pitch to those with $$ tomorrow, and if she doesn't get $$$, she won't make her payroll Thursday. And she has not one realistic argument to put forward as to why they should risk their own money at this juncture. I think she knows this - and this flat speech convinces me she understands what is coming next Tuesday in Oregon.

God, 2209 delegates - I will never forget that coming right out of her mouth.

[nomaco-10]

65. She made that 30 seconds into the speech. n/t

[DeschutesRiver]

96. Yeah, it was that fast

I am getting the impression from watching her that she knows this is the last crowd she will ever see at a victory speech, and the last substantial victory she will witness in her campaign. It is like she is speaking in a very measured way, stretching out this moment.

And neither she nor the crowd are in any way "electric". Kind of a strange vibe coming from this, which after the huge buildup of her speech, is going to leave many disappointed in her performance. And someone correct me if I am wrong, but of all people, she first mentions Byrd? Isn't he that senator that used to be a KKK guy way back in the old days?

[MadBadger]

56. All of Obama's victory speeches have been better

From Wisconsin, to South Carolina, to New Hampshire, to Iowa, to Super Tuesday, to his JJ dinner speeches, to NC/Indiana night.

[dailykoff]

57. "I'm in this race for the people I have worked for my entire life"

Uh, WalMart? Exxon-Mobil? Halliburton? The CIA? :shrug:

[graycem]

120. Yep..

those little guys, and Monsanto, another member of the working class. All about the workin' man.

[high density]

58. She's never going to quit?

Does that mean when Obama gets sworn in on January 20 that she's still going to be running?

[Ichingcarpenter]

73. Yep, until Bill's money is gone

The speech is improving though.

[Medusa]

113. Yep--after Obama's motorcade to the inaguration

:eyes:

[jenmito]

59. Why's a guy holding a bowling pin? Mocking Obama?

[Kittycat]

67. Another Classy Clinton Supporter.

[jenmito]

79. Yup. Reminds me of the Repubs. and their purple heart bandaids.

[Guaranteed]

71. But notice no one behind her is smiling.

Maybe one of her people told them not to.


*cough*

[likesmountains 52]

78. they do seem pretty lethargic...

[jenmito]

Just like Bill Clinton after her "come-from-behind" victory in IN.

:eyes: I guess they know it's over.

[Tatiana]

61. She says 64% of Democrats want this race to continue. n/t

[bobbert]

76. 64% in West Virginia, I guess...

[AtomicKitten]

64. She has truly gone around the bend. Oy.

[Raine]

66. Still WAITING for the "greatest speech

I guess I'll have to wait for Obama to give it cause this is the same old crap I've heard again and again. :puke:

[MonkeyFunk]

69. I disagree!

It's a great speech.

But I can see why it would piss off Obama fans.

[DanTex]

70. Even the SNL parody-speech was more inspiring than this

[CalGator]

91. that's saying something

that wasn't even that funny.

[high density]

72. She's repeating herself now

And the only issues being discussed at this point are gender and race, which helps nobody but McCain.

[Ichingcarpenter]

83. I find the speech conciliatory a little

'no matter who wins' we will win this fall

[Marie26]

74. It really is

People just want a rousing speech (realistic or no). This sounds like a pitch to the superdelegates.

[Doityourself]

75. It's like that Royal Bank of Scotland commerical...where the flag boy passes out..lmao

[Tatiana]

81. "I will work my heart out for the Democratic nominee to make sure we have a Democratic President."

I'm gonna hold you to that, mmmkay Hillary?

[dailykoff]

84. ...who's really a puke.

Just like she's always been.

[bvar22]

132. The weasel word here is "heart".

You can't be too careful when dealing with the Clintons.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

82. the crowd cheers sound so fake too. like someone is holding

up an "applause" sign outside our view. It just sounds
forced - like they are applauded too loud at stupid
shit. Big difference - with O - the cheers match
what's being said.

[Guaranteed]

85. There's like one woman shrieking at the top of her lungs

who you can hear every time.

[Liberal Veteran]

103. That's the woman that keeps plunging an ice pick into her ear.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

124. lol

[BelleCarolinaPeridot]

93. That's what I was thinking.

I hate the way she says West Virginia. She is so damn fake I can't stand it.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

125. how does she say it? Wes Virgeenie?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

86. ok -I'm going back to Hells Kitchen

[high density]

98. DONKEY!!

Thank goodness my DVR is recording HK as I watch this garbage on MSNBC.

[Mooney]

99. Matt's getting a spa treatment.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

123. He's quite the jerk. what they don't realize is that he would never

give a restaurant to someone who gets so involved
in petty fights and arguments with others. The
winner usually somehow avoids that stuff.

Chef is on a total tear tonight. Downright cruel to
all of them. What a jerk the guy is.

[Mooney]

130. Chef sucks, god bless him.

Do you ever watch his original "Kitchen Nightmares" show from the BBC? He's a completely different guy. He doesn't hurl any projectiles.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

131. Yes he is ! Hey, do you know who got kicked off? I turned it

to msnbc and missed it.

Have you seen the BBC show "last restaurant standing?" It's great.

[Harry Monroe]

137. Chef was great!!!

Unfortunate that Parker and Stone had him killed off.

Oh wait, you're talking about some other show?? My bad!!

[Life Long Dem]

87. Bad? They need to invent another word for this speech.

Maybe it's too much triangulating between every candidate and every states accent. Too many states to have an accent over Hillary! :rofl:

[Doityourself]

90. Man, she's pretty much begging the Super Delegates..she ain't talkin to those folks

[Marie26]

100. Pretty much

They turned out for you, so speak to them. Just throw out a line about Cheney, a health care sob story, something.

[Tatiana]

94. Talking up her meeting with Robert Byrd.

Instant applause line.

[dailykoff]

97. Hilli Vanilli thanks the little people for this award...

[Tatiana]

101. Hillary: Superdelegates, please PLEASE PLEASE vote for me! The other guy can't win!

I guess that's the gist of it.

[jenmito]

102. They found the one Black supporter in WV and put him in the background.

[Guaranteed]

106. LOL I saw that too nt

[jenmito]

114. Black voters only made up 4% of all voters in WV.

But she found one.

[ShortnFiery]

129. I dunno, I wonder if he may have been one of the staff?

:shrug:

[rodeodance]

104. SHE LAID OUT THE CASE FOR THE DELECATES, AND

superdeles. and the upcoming voters.

SHE IS SOMBER AND SERIOUS DURING THIS PART

VERY GOOD MESSAGE TO UPCOMING VOTERS AND DELEGATES--AND THOSE
SUPERDELES.

asked them to seriously think how we will the GE

[Liberal Veteran]

107. Pass the dutchie on the left hand side, please.

[Guaranteed]

111. And it wasn't even worth listening to. She's wasting our fucking time. nt

[Tatiana]

121. The supers refused to meet with her because they have already heard this message and rejected it.

I appreciated Hillary at least carrying herself with some dignity tonight.

[Guaranteed]

133. That's exactly right. It's a go-nowhere message.

Tweety and Russert are playing along with it, to a certain extent (while they mock McAuliffe), just because it keeps people watching.

[YDogg]

105. "Tied with the Semon on the Mount!"

KO

[JerseygirlCT]

108. Dreadful

I hate her delivery, I really do. She has a bit of the same talking down to the audience tick that Bush has. And while just the idea of Bush talking down to me was patently absurd, this is still irritating. I'm not slow, Hillary.

And she just doesn't have the knack for delivering that human interest story. It comes across as obvious - like it should have crawl lines over it: "Touching story about dying old woman"

She just never reads as genuine to me. Too bad.

[DanTex]

115. And in conclusion... 1+1=3, up is down, black is white, and war is peace.

[cboy4]

118. You sound just like Republican. Exactly like a GOPer!

Well done.

[hokies4ever]

122. She should have attacked Obama

I understand that Hillary wants to take the high road now but it just doesn't suit her well. Her campaign did her a disservice by telling her to take such a subdued tone during this speech. Where was the fighter in the PA speech that we saw? The people who love the fighter in her also love to see her stick it to the party bosses and superdelegates, telling them to shove it where the sun don't shine. Fact remains that she's better at politically attacking than she is at taking the high road, and this speech doesn't highlight her strengths.

[ShortnFiery]

127. I counted two AA in the crowd and one of Indian ancestry ... the rest LILY WHITE.

Damn, that room was chock full of Caucasians. :scared:

* and no, I didn't count the AA man behind Hilly twice. :blush:

[greguganus]

134. It would of been more effective is she had taken her teeth out before the speech. n/t

[roguevalley]

139. oh god. BWAHAHAAHA!

[ecstatic]

135. I had every intention of watching it but somehow fell asleep

and missed the entire thing! WTF

[Liberal In Texas]

138. She at least acted surprised at the outcome, didn't she?

I didn't see it.