Re: last time the presumptive nominee lost a state by 30+ points: Jimmy Carter '76

[book_worm]

Jerry Brown and Frank Church entered the race late and won some big late primary victories after Carter had effectively won the nomination and was the presumptive nominee:

Oregon (5/23) 53-23 Brown over Carter
Montana (6/1) 59-25 Church over Carter
California (6/8) 59-20 Brown over Carter
Nevada (6/1) 53-23 Brown over Carter

Of course Jimmy Carter went on to be elected president of the USA in 1976.

[Vote2008]

1. LOL.........take that!

[book_worm]

6. If the person who wrote the other thread would do some research he would probably discover

too that Mondale lost a few big ones towards the end to Hart. Carter in '80 lost a couple towards the end to Kennedy, chief among them New York which I believe was a 20-point margin or more for Kennedy. I'm not sure but Jesse Jackson may have defeated Mike Dukakis in a couple of late states by a big margin. Bill Clinton had no rival in '96. Al Gore disposed of Bill Bradley early on as did Kerry in '04.

[rainy]

2. Plus, the Democrats just put up such good candidates that it is harder for

us to choose. We have two great candidates still in the race. It makes sense that the people would have a hard time picking.

[DU9598]

3. Well done book_worm

[quantass]

4. lol

[dsc]

5. California was Brown's home state

by that standard Kerry would have been the last one to lose a state big after being presumptive nominee (he lost Vermont to Dean). On edit, Carter came within a hair's breadth of losing a 30 point lead and the Presidency.

[papau]

7. before 82 there were no SD so the most likely to win was not always the nominee

[book_worm]

10. Carter was considered the presumptive nominee when he won the PA primary in April.

[Hoof Hearted]

8. that went well

[Mass]

30. Last Democratic president to win with more than 50 % of the votes.

[DerekJ]

9. I love book worms :)

[DearAbby]

11. First General Election I voted 1976.

few weeks following his inauguration, I gave birth to a beautiful girl :-D
For her, and her children is the reason I will vote for Obama this November.

[book_worm]

12. '76 was the first presidential election I actively remember.

[roamer65]

13. ...and Carter was a damn good president.

He told the American people the truth and too bad they didn't listen.

[book_worm]

14. I concur

[frylock]

15. our greatest living president

[Colobo]

19. He was honest. Not very succesful, but honest.

[jsamuel]

16. what about 40+?

67-26 with 80% reporting

[zabet]

17. *cough**cough*

"Brown was the governor of California. Of course he was going to win California! What about his other wins? Nevada, Oregon. Ever look at a map? Notice which large state they both border? Who was governor of that state, which is a very influential state nationally and even more influential in its region?

Church was the senator from Idaho. Ever notice which large landmass borders Idaho?

Unless New York moved recently and the media forgot to cover it, Clinton does not have a regional advantage in West Virginia like Governor Brown did and Church did.

Setting aside Carter's loss to candidates on their home turf, the fact you had to go back 32 years to find a few (lousy, misleading) examples speaks volumes about Obama's weakness. Kerry won the West Virginia primary with 69% (13% went to Edwards. I guess that was due to racism and sexism against Kerry :sarcasm: ), Gore with 77%. McCain is winning on his side with 76%. They had no competition of course. That is the point. Obama is worthless in West Virginia. Even as a candidate who outspent his rival and was coronated by the media as the nominee he got 26%. The "anybody but" vote alone is good enough for at least 20+ points as McSame, Kerry, and Gore learned.

How about delving into the history books and comparing Kerry's performance as the presumptive, although not then official, nominee in February in 2004? Did he get 28% anywhere? Or was he winning every state in a landslide? The one exception was Vermont, which he lost to a Vermont governor, which fits the "favorite son" exception."

[last_texas_dem]

20. Yeah, and WV borders PA...

Doesn't Clinton claim that as one of her many "home states"?

[TheDoorbellRang]

21. Kerry got 27% AFTER he was the presumptive nominee

in NC against John Edwards. Thay was also in May. Kerry had been presumptive nominee for two months at that point.

Pretty meaningless, wasn't it? Just like Obama's loss today.

[Hoof Hearted]

22. So are you saying that Barafck Obama is a native son of West Virginia?

so you have a point?

[last_texas_dem]

23. Not sure if the poster you responded to had a "point"

but your response doesn't really make any sense, either, unless you're claiming that NC was Kerry's home state, and not Edwards's.

[anigbrowl]

26. Ah, that's about the opposite of what he said

I presume you meant to refer to Hillary Clinton, rather than Barack Obama.

[TheDoorbellRang]

29. My "point" was in response to this post

How about delving into the history books and comparing Kerry's performance as the presumptive, although not then official, nominee in February in 2004? Did he get 28% anywhere? Or was he winning every state in a landslide? The one exception was Vermont, which he lost to a Vermont governor, which fits the "favorite son" exception."


Now, how do you explain your "point" -- that somehow I was saying Obama is a native son of WV? That one's a complete non sequitur.

[kikiek]

28. Thanks for some interesting and real facts.

[ImpeechBush]

18. good job, thanks!

nice research

[DerekJ]

24. :)

[HCE SuiGeneris]

25. Shhh, don't tell 2trth2pwr. It's comical watching his delusional rantings.

[MagickMuffin]

27. Jimmy Carter went on to be elected president of the USA in 1976. AND I HELPED

It was my very First Election.