"You look at West Virginia, you look at Kentucky, you look at Arkansas, you look at Tennessee

[Danieljay]

You look at what's at stake and that's a very powerful argument." said Ann Lewis, an aide to the former first lady.

I say "You look at West Virginia, you look at Kentucky, you look at Arkansas, you look at Tennessee, and you see how you can fool some of the people some of the time". Especially poor uneducated white folks voting against whats good for them. Hillary and her campaign should be ashamed of themselves for propagating the message that Obama can't get the working white vote.

[jsamuel]

1. Yeah, especially all these people from the University of Arkansas that voted for Clinton.

Oh and, you know, we have both men and women here.

[msongs]

3. oh come you know anybody who did not vote for obama is...fill in the blank here (...) nt

[jaysunb]

2. While we're looking, let's look at

Col.
Nev.
N. Mex
Ga.
N.C.
S.C.
Va.
Maybe even
Ala. & Ms.

Looks pretty good to me.....

[George_Bonanza]

4. So "Big State" Hillary now comes crawling back to the small states?

[jaysunb]

5. While we're looking, let's look at

Col.
Nev.
N. Mex
Ga.
N.C.
S.C.
Va.
Maybe even
Ala. & Ms.

Looks pretty good to me.....

[BlueManDude]

6. I thought the Clinton argument was that BO's winning states we can't win in the GE anyway?

Fuck these people and their word games.

[NashVegas]

7. Tennessee Was an Interesting Case

I was watching the donations on Open Secrets, and Hillary was getting her ass kicked everywhere *except* Memphis. I was really surprised when she won the Nashville area - and I voted for her.

I think there's a case where you have a LOT of people who just assumed she'd get the nod and that she had such an advantage in name recognition that she wouldn't need the money.

[RainDog]

20. Do you think TN would go blue - with the Southern Bapt. Convention

right in the middle of downtown Nashville? I cannot imagine TN would vote for any democrat in a nat'l election, no matter who was on the ticket. I haven't lived there for a while but i still have relatives there and seems like it's still far more conservative than when I was there.

[NashVegas]

22. I Think Some Repubs Would Vote for Bredesen If He Were on the Ticket

#1, he's done a decent job on the state's economy. Whatever hurt we are under now isn't happening solely in TN.

#2, opens up the Gov. chair for Frist to run.

[razors edge]

8. I support Obama

more than Hillary, but if the people of WVA think Hillary would do more for them than he will, they would only be ignorant to vote for Obama now wouldn't they? Time will certainly tell, won't it?

I grew up in WVA, KY, and southern Ohio so I can relate to knowing what it like seeing the rest of the country leave you behind and then spit on you for not keeping up. These people aren't as stupid as you wish them to be, they know nobody is coming to their rescue without them coming to someone else's rescue first. Always been that way, always will.

Thats all you saw here, underdogs supporting the underdog.

Go back to demanding the lemming response from the lemmings, and leave the free thinkers alone, just like you would have done even if you had got what you wanted.

:rant:

GoBama!

[DemBones DemBones]

25. Excellent post. When Dems complain that people vote against

their own economic interests, they should realize that people won't vote for someone who's looking down on them. The Dems have lost a lot of voters because they've catered to the rich and the Ivy Leaguers for a long time. People will vote for a rich Ivy Leaguer IF they feel like the candidate cares about their problems, and does not blame them for their problems, does not blame them for being poor.

There's a lot of sentiment here tonight from Obama supporters blaming the voters of WVa for being poor and for being "morons" because they voted for Hillary Clinton. That's no way to talk about Democratic voters, whether they vote for your candidate or not. It's good to see one Obama supporter explaining the region to others.

What they should be asking themselves is why Obama couldn't win this red state, because he hasn't been winning blue states, has gotten most of his wins in red states that are very unlikely to go blue in the fall.

I have the feeling a lot of DUers have never been to Appalachia, never visited anyone who lives in a trailer or in a mill village house, never lived in a small town, never lived in a rural area, never known any really poor people, etc. Being poor in college isn't like being poor your whole life with no chance to go to college.

The class divisions in the US are very real and ignoring them does not make them go away. Assuming that poor=stupid is a stupid thing to do and it will cost us elections if we don't get over this mindset.

[razors edge]

26. That is our challenge

as a nation, not just a party. How do we bring together all the disaffected and the well off to build a place worth calling home. Rolling sod on a Mcmansion for minimum wage is great for Ronald, but he thinks Hector is stupid and will never raise a hand to his master. Ronald is wrong.

I'm not offended by the hillbilly crap. I am offended by the ease at which we change our attention to topics on the cue of the MSM and then think we are so damned independent from that sleazy crowd of muck raker's.

Maybe we need a new way of communicating with each other, maybe a box hooked to a typewriter or something where the likes of Hannity and Limpballs can't divide us.


:pals:

[sandnsea]

9. Look at Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Missouri, Virginia

You look at who has won the most states, the most delegates, the popular vote - that's a very powerful argument.

I will never forget the people who did this, never.

[dano81818]

10. poor, uneducate white folks becomes the latest, and hopefully last, hook HRC can hang her hat on

she doesnt care one crap about"letting everyone vote"

her plan was to have it wrapped by super tues, which meant a giant middle finger to the rest of the country if they didnt support her.

she is a lying hypocrite and i hope she ends this campaign broke and destroyed

it has taken a long time for me to come to this.

i lost friends defending them in the 90s

[rug]

11. "poor uneducated white folks voting against whats good for them."

Feel free to tell these voters what's good for them. They can't possibly be capable of doing that for themselves.

[TLM]

12. Funny when hillary tells them she's best for them....

her supporters have no problem with her telling them what's best for them to vote for.... yet let anybody else say anything else is better for them, and suddenly it is a horrible insult.

LOL!!!

[rug]

14. I tried, I really tried, but there's no sense in that post.

[Gore1FL]

13. Based on their past support for Bush

you might be on to something.

[rug]

15. I see. A Democratic primary vote equals a Bush vote. My bad.

You need to recalbrate your assumptions.

[Gore1FL]

16. Not really

you lobbed a hittable pitch, and drove it over the center field fence.

[rug]

17. You're confusing softball with baseball.

[Gore1FL]

19. just out of curiosity....

what was I describing,and why?

[DemGa]

18. Or maybe those voters are correct - and Obama's voters have been "fooled."

[iamthebandfanman]

21. ive always found it amasing

how someone can actually get somebody to vote against someone who actually represents their needs and would bring good change for them...

the last two elections the irony of seeing Bush signs outside of trailor-homes was almost to much for me to compute.

[book_worm]

23. You look at WI, MN, IA, CO, WA, OR, VA, NC...

[Thrill]

24. Cherry Picking states. Obama won Wisconsin and Iowa. HUGE state for the Dems

I guess there are now working class whites in those states.

[last_texas_dem]

27. Apparently the (relatively) small red states suddenly matter, per the Clinton campaign

How convenient.