This Obama supporter just wanted to say that Olbermann was a jerk tonight.

[calmblueocean]

The repeated harping about her speech, and especially the whole "Ponzi scheme" remark about donating to Hillary, I thought was unprofessional and beyond the pale. Just wanted to put that on the record.

[keep_it_real]

1. But he's right, giving money to her is like giving to a Ponzi scheme

[cliffordu]

3. Yeah, or buying a British sports car - a hole in the ground where the money goes...

[Johnny__Motown]

38. I thought that was a Boat,,, a hole in the water where you put your money..

[wvbygod]

47. no...Boat is Break Out Another Thousand

[calimary]

52. Hey! Welcome to DU! WV? This is your night!

Congratulations on being from The State of the Hour!

Glad you're here.

How did it look from your seat?

[wvbygod]

54. I saw a lot of intense voters at the poll today

One thing about many of the voters here is that they are not afraid to
wear their candidate choice at the voting booths. I saw quite a few voters
with Obama pins and Hillary pins on their jackets.

One thing I didn't see were any angry voters and many mingled around
the food trays and spoke highly of each other.

Thanks for the welcome!

[AllexxisF1]

62. Exactly!

I was happier than a pig in shit to hear Keith FINALLY bring this issue up. I think its the most despicable thing she has done in this election by asking her supporters to give her money for a lost cause.

It's no different that an evangelist pleading for money from those who are poor because he preys on their beliefs. In this case her supporters belief in a woman president and her just scamming them to pay back her retarded run for a lost nomination.


Hillary supporters should keep there money firmly in their pocket or use it in a way that is of real use in their own lives or honest charity for others.


SHE DOES NOT DESERVE ONE DIME.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

99. It really galled me when she talked (in the greatest speech in

the world or WTF it was supposed to be) about the boy in KY who sold his bike to contribute to her campaign. It continued to bother me today so I wrote to her and told her she should be ashamed of herself - a millionaire- taking money from this kid. Not that she cares, but it made me feel better.

[Progressive_In_NC]

70. As opposed to buying superdelegate endorsements right?

[lapfog_1]

2. he is telling the truth. Maybe a bit bluntly, but it IS fraud

to have anyone donate to her at this point. But hey, it's their money.

[PoliticalAmazon]

74. ITA. The media needs to be forthright about the candidates....

KO is very forthright about McCain and Obama, as well.

[high density]

4. The guy doesn't soften his opinions that's for sure

I like it.

[Nite Owl]

5. I think he was right

I find it offensive that she would take peoples money at this point. She should have withdrawn weeks ago when she realized she couldn't pay up or self-fund and not expect to be repaid.

[Misskittycat]

6. I think he's right about the Ponzi scheme also. n/t

[Vote2008]

7. You were wrong. He is calling her what she really is.

[DawgHouse]

8. I agree that the donating remark was unprofessional.

[Edgewater_Joe]

9. It's Called "Speaking Truth To Power"

She's lost her mind, and somebody has to say so.

God Love Keith Olbermann!

[SayitAintSo]

31. NO, It's called speaking SNARKINESS to power...there is a difference n/t

[Edgewater_Joe]

51. Snark is Based In Truth

And Keith is the only one speaking truth that Hillary is the Empress With No Clothes tonight.

At least until Jon Stewart gets a hold of Queen Loony-ry tomorrow.

[LittleBlue]

10. He nailed it.

Sorry but that's where the money is going. Agree or disagree, it's true.

[knixphan]

87. ditto.

[rodeodance]

11. Thank you. he seems to get more petty each week.

[Lady-Damai]

12. Awww...you must be a "Dream Ticket" supporter.....

:boring:

[calmblueocean]

22. Not at all.

I think Hillary would be a Democratic version of Cheney if she were on the ticket. Obama doesn't need a shadow president.

But Olbermann was still unprofessional tonight, and I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

[AtomicKitten]

13. It is a Ponzi-esque scheme. She's $20 million in debt!!

Again, Keith speaks the unvarnished truth that's tough for some digest ... but it's the truth nonetheless.

[Thrill]

14. Well Terry asked for it. Saying it was going to be one of the greatest speeches

of all time. lol

[sandnsea]

15. Her supporters seem a bit dense

I think it's going to take that kind of sharp talk to get through to them. It's one thing to contribute to retire a debt. But to be conned into donating to a campaign that can't win, that's just one more lie in a long list. THAT is what is unprofessional and unethical, beyond the pale.

[Beacool]

61. Dense???

Dense is thinking that your guy will win the election without Hillary and our support.

Dense indeed, see you in November.......

[ShortnFiery]

16. It is a Ponzi scheme. KO spoke the truth. Ask yourself, if the roles were reversed

IF Obama were in Clinton's place, would we even be having this discussion?

HRC has had ALL THE BREAKS.

I'm sick of her REMAKING THE RULES.

The Clintons are acting like spoiled and petulant brats. :thumbsdown:

[JohnnyLib2]

17. Thanks for this OP.

Sometimes being a supporter just means--supporting.

[NashVegas]

18. He and Matthews Are Bad Enough, But When You Throw Timmy Into the Mix

It couldn't get much worse - until you add Huckabee.

[intheozone]

19. Thanks for your post. I agree with you completely.

In fact, I'm now going to contribute to Hillary's campaign if for no other reason than to send a big FUCK YOU to Keith and the other talking heads on his show. I'm really sorry now that I bought Keith's book as a gift for my brother. Keith has turned into a big fucking asshole.

[Diane R]

23. Dessert for Mark Penn!

[Cha]

89. hilary is the Big Fucking Asshole..

KO is pointing it out.

[hokies4ever]

20. Just giving donaters fair warning

That their donations will go straight into Hillary's coffers.

[rhett o rick]

37. You can't tell the gullibles a thing. Working people being asked to help the rich Clintons

rebuild their wealth after a large gambling loss.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. he's on his way to becomming O'berlly

[rhett o rick]

29. Easy to criticize, but who is better? nm

[McCamy Taylor]

97. CNN. They are much more professional. They make MSNBC look dumb.

Every since Time-Warner got mad at Bush over cable and they stopped being the all-terra network, even screaming chicken Wolf Blitzer has become ok. He was really sharp last night grilling people. Those guys have their facts down. I am impressed. They make the people at MSNBC look like a bunch of amateurs.

[rhett o rick]

77. Which tv journalist do you like better than KO? nm

[jillan]

24. I turned him off when he called Hillary supporters delirious.

Doesn't msnbc ever wonder why they can never catch up with CNN????

[rhett o rick]

28. I must wonder about those of you that don't like KO. He is the one and only liberal talking head

with a show and you hate him. Hmm. Who do you like?? Hannity, Beck, Savage, O'Reilly? Please tell us who you like.

[SayitAintSo]

33. I use to love him... He's jumped the "shark" with his "snark"...n/t

[rhett o rick]

35. So who do you think is better? nm

[rhett o rick]

101. If you no longer like KO, please tell me who you do like??? nm

[jillan]

49. KO is angry all of the time and that turns me off. Personally, I like AC.

Down to earth. Spends as much time talking about what is going on in the world as he spends on the election. He goes to the story (think NOLA). He has intelligent, thoughtful conversations on his show without ANYONE SCREAMING.

[rhett o rick]

56. I give up, who is AC? nm

[H2O Man]

60. Alan Colmes n/t

[proud2BlibKansan]

66. And I was thinking Anderson Cooper

:shrug:

[rhett o rick]

71. Alan is the liberal punching bag for Sean Hannity. I question his self respect. Besides

I never watch Fox Noise.

[Dinger]

85. I Liked Him Just Fine When He Bashed repuglicans (nt)

[Raine]

25. He's on point...

he's telling the truth, often the truth hurts but it needs to be told.

[ecstatic]

26. Didn't see his comments... but it's striking that Romney put 42MIL

into his own campaign because he truly believed in his chances. Not only that, but he conceded LONG before it was truly necessary. I just don't understand why Hillary isn't taking care of her own debt if she truly believes she can win. They must really owe some big time favors to certain mysterious backers.

[highplainsdem]

27. Thank you. Olbermann seems determined to wreck his own reputation as a journalist.

Maybe he hopes to be Obama's press secretary, if Obama is the nominee and wins?

[Berry Cool]

40. His reputation is just fine, and I'm sure he can't imagine himself as anyone's press secretary.

After all, then he'd have to lie and pretend everything's fine when it's not. Goes against his principles as a JOURNALIST. Which is why what he reports about Hillary isn't sunshine and roses.

[SayitAintSo]

30. Thankyou... I appreciate that --- His SNARK has indeed gotten out of hand

I was actually looking for an MSNBC EMAIL to register my disdain. I just turned to CNN instead. He's not even a hint of an Edward R Murrow.

[Berry Cool]

41. His snark is just fine in my book.

And he surpassed Murrow a long time ago.

[MonkeyFunk]

64. "surpassed Murrow"?

That's insane.

[leftynyc]

83. Surpassed Murrow???!!!

Can I have whatever you're having please?

[high density]

63. His snark is hilarious

And it doesn't matter to me if it's aimed at Republicans or Democrats. Democrats do a lot of stupid things, too.

[rhett o rick]

73. Who do you like on CNN?? I love KO snarkyness. We need much more. nm

[rhett o rick]

102. Please tell us who you prefer over KO? Please. don't just spit out

criticism with out explanation. I can respect that you might not like KO. But who do you like? Or are you one that just doesn't like.

[Skip Intro]

32. Thank you. You are that rare Obama supporter.

KO has become a joke, imho.

I haven't watched his show in months now, after seeing his bias. Never used to miss him.

Thank you for speaking your mind on this.

[Auntie Bush]

34. Here's to you!

:beer: Of course I think he's been a jerk for a looong time. But he took the cake tonight. Glad to see someone noticed.

[David Zephyr]

36. It is a ponzi scheme. And the Clintons will come with for their handout from Barack to pay their tab

Ponzi is just fine with me. That's exactly what it is.

[jasmine621]

39. Keith has been like this against Hillary from day one.

If people want to donate money to help out her campaign they should. Obama has millions in excess, is that any less a ponzi scheme? What will you get for your money? TV adds.

[Pisces]

42. That is a lie. He changed when the Clintons jumped the shark.

[Skip Intro]

44. He did change, didn't he?

for the worse, imho.

[Berry Cool]

43. Oh please. At the beginning of campaign season, some Obama suporters called him a "Hill shill"

because they thought his bias in her favor was blatant. And now he's got people thinking the exact opposite. Gee, wonder why.

It IS a Ponzi scheme to donate to her. They're throwing money down a rathole, yet she's implying that if they give it to her, she will use it to win and reap them big rewards. She's lying through her teeth, even if she doesn't know it.

My favorite part of the night was when he said her speech "tied with the Sermon on the Mount" for all-time greatness. That was great anti-Terry McAuliffe snark. Long live KO.

[goletian]

45. probably speaking truth, but he was pretty hard on her tonight, ill admit.

[LowerManhattanite]

46. He was going on about the quality of the speech...

...because of Terry McAuliffe's ecstasy-and-angel-dust fueled pumping of it beforehand. McAuliffe said, with wild eyes and directly into camera that the speech would be “One of the greatest ever delivered”.

Olbermann's jaw (along with everyone it seems in the room) dropped open at McAuliffe's crazy ranting and asked him to qualify the wild statement and gave him a chance to fix it. He wouldn't, and Olbermann held to the loopy pronouncement. (It doesn't help that McAuliffe has been embarrassing himself of late doing his carny-show geek routine—witness his kppky over-pandering to Russert this past weekend where he screwed up and put Russert's father six feet under while sucking up to him)

As to the “Ponzi Scheme” line—it was rough wording for an obvious fact and methinks sadly that it'll probably stick as a soundbite description of what her financial situation is.

[calmblueocean]

50. I thought Terry McAuliffe came off like a pro-wrestler tonight

At least Hillary's getting her money's worth.

I think after "Ponzi scheme" Olbermann asked Tim Russert whether he agreed that Hillary's plea for donations was a "scam". That's just far too harsh. Donating money to a candidate that's going to lose isn't a crime. Ron Paul supporters donated millions even though most of them knew he didn't have a reasonable shot at getting the Republican nomination.

I think in the end what bothered me most wasn't Olbermann's lack of professionalism but the fact that he wasn't doing the Democratic party any favors by mocking Hillary supporters. You can be critical without being condescending, and he wasn't. My 2 cents, anyway.

[ZinZen]

48. Olbermann was spot on

sometimes blunt truthiness can be seen as arrogance. I find it refreshing.

[SeattleGirl]

53. Terry McSpinnmeister gave him and Tweety huge opening by

saying that it would be the best speech EVAH.

I like it that KO was calling bullshit when he heard it, and that Tweety was too.

Jerkism is often in the eye of the beholder. I didn't see it the way you did at all.

[Anderson Perez]

55. He goes overboard sometimes

That's his image, though. He wants to be edgy.

[Buzz Clik]

57. The longer she stays in, the easier a target she becomes.

Bowing out with dignity would be a good idea. Any time now.

[Beacool]

58. Thank you!!

I don't know what anyone at MSNBC had to say since I haven't watched that sorry excuse of a network since the KO 9 minute diatribe against Hillary for something Gerry Ferraro had said. Screw the pompous ass and his network!!! No wonder their ratings stink, they have lost a lot of viewers the last few months since they have semi officially endorsed Obama.

[crankychatter]

59. I think he was 100% spot on and although Olbmerman seems extreme....

it takes "extreme," to counter the CRAZY and INEXPLICABLE pro-Clinton tilt everywhere else in the Corporate Media

[dchill]

65. No, he wasn't. If Terry McAuliffe wasn't a jerk...

then nobody was. He said she was going to give the greatest speech ever! This kind of grandiose claim is purely BEGGING for snark. Oh, and like 3 minutes into "the greatest speech ever", Clinton was begging for donations at HillaryClinton dot com. "Just wanted to put that on the record."

:)

[Tom Rinaldo]

67. Thank you calmblueocean. It's not just about Olbermann

I find it unsettling for any activist to belittle any person running for public office appealing directly to the public for campaign contributions. The bottom line is simple. People don't have to donate if they don't want to. We of all people should know that supporting a long shot or even a lost cause sometimes feels like the right thing to do. It's a personal decision, and a personal statement who people decide to donate to. Obama doesn't "need" money right now, he is well ahead in fund raising, but he is still raking it in and no one thinks it is obscene for him to solicit more contributions.

People are participating in the political process when they give their money to a candidate. That is a GOOD thing. And our Democracy will be stronger the more political candidates come to depend on direct small contributions from the general public in order to be viable. It should always be encouraged, not mocked.

[calmblueocean]

69. Exactly.

After he called Hillary asking for donations a "Ponzi scheme", he went on to ask Tim Russert if he agreed that at some point, Hillary's asking for donations is just a "scam".

Since when did it become a criminal act to ask for donations when you're behind? Ron Paul fans knew they had almost no chance of winning the Republican nomination this time around, but they donated anyway, in huge numbers, to make a public show of support for their candidate. More importantly, Olbermann's nastiness towards Hillary does more to keep the Democratic party divided and weak than it does to unify us.

[Straight Shooter]

75. Obama doesn't need money and he's still raking it in, still soliciting.

[Blue_In_AK]

79. Excellent point, Rinaldo.

[Bluenorthwest]

88. As a guy who gives money to Kucinich

I listen to Dennis say he's going to win the Oval office, knowing he will drop out long before I even get to cast a Primary vote for him. I am in fact very greatful to Dennis for making that run, taking that longest of shots, being called a garden gnome and getting some Progressive issues injected into the discussion.
The very notion that only the winners should be raising money is not just servile but it is very much what one should expect from a company that profits by selling adtime. And it is exactly why we never get a decent candidate.

I have not watched much news on TV at all since Keith allowed Lawrence O'Donnell to report that people were calling on Edwards to drop out after NH, when O'Donnell was actually citing his own opinion blog as 'what some were saying'. That was a big line for me, it was crossed, and I walked away from all TV media until Primary's end, just to avoid disliking the only TV anchor I ever like a bit. I see a bit on election nights. Same for radio.

[paulk]

68. Olberman has destroyed his credibility as a journalist

these last few months. Now he is nothing more than a pundit, which is a shame - outside of this current fight between Hillary and Obama. He could have been a powerful voice against the Republicans.

[BlooInBloo]

72. Does anybody truly think that Clinton donations are for anything BUT her debt?

[AzDar]

76. I think SHE was fucking 'beyond the pale' when she boasted of a kid named Dylan Hatfield (iirc)

who sold his bike and video games to donate money to her Campaign To Nowhere.

She's worth over 100 million dollars....
Maybe she should use some of that lucre to buy a conscience.:mad:

[Blue_In_AK]

78. I've sworn off Keith until after the nominee is decided...

and I was a daily watcher. I'm not a particular fan of either of these candidates, but his daily hammering on Hillary has just gotten to be too much for me. I really don't believe he's doing Obama any favors by this.

Of course, he's free to conduct his show any way he wants, and those of us who don't like it are just as free not to watch.

[totodeinhere]

86. You may have sworn him off but his ratings are up, not down.

He continues to have the highest rated show on MSNBC.

[Blue_In_AK]

92. Well, that's fine.

We don't all have to like the same things, and right now I'm not liking him much. I'm sure after this is all over and he gets back to attacking the Republicans instead of Democrats I'll be back in his corner. Obama supporters keep forgetting that there are millions of Clinton supporters out there, and also probably millions of us who would happily (or maybe unhappily) accept either Barack or Hillary as our nominee. I still believe that it doesn't help the party or Obama to keep relentlessly attacking Clinton and her supporters.

[totodeinhere]

93. KO attacks her because she deserves it. It's his job as a commentator to tell it like he sees it.

[Blue_In_AK]

98. You're not going to convince me

that continued divisiveness and candidate-bashing promoted by TV commentators -- no matter how much we might like them -- is not damaging to the party. The more Obama's supporters slam on Hillary, the more her supporters dig in. It's just human nature. Obama's supporters are much harder on Hillary than Obama himself is. Perhaps you (and Keith) should follow the lead of your candidate, and lighten up just a little bit. It would show a graciousness that has been missing for some time now.

And by that I'm not saying that I've always approved of Hillary's methods -- as I said I'm not a strong supporter of either of these candidates -- but at this point especially, when the primary season is all but over, it just makes sense for the two sides to stop attacking each other and get on with the real task at hand, which is defeating McCain in November.

[SoonerPride]

80. I thought was too kind, myself.

The whole press should call her out.

[izzybeans]

81. I actually agree (with reservations) with him on the Ponzi scheme remarks.

If they are knowingly going forward without a real chance of hope and still asking for money they are fraudulently bilking their donors. That's a big if...and KO said as much. He said there will come a point where it approaches a scheme if she has no chance of winning and yet begins fleecing supporters for more money for no other reason to pay off debt and pay herself back.

She is coming close to that point IMO. If she is still begging for donations in speeches after Oregon then I'll agree 100%.

[Bluenorthwest]

91. You assume that everyone who votes

Is voting only for wins and hopes and such. Some are seeking to promote issues. Backing the winner is easy, and there are always plenty of people to do so. Many others take other paths. And that is their right. Kucinich has no chance of winnig, yet he raises money and runs. Is that fraud? I think not. I give to Kucinich knowing he's not going to win. There are other reasons for the run.
But if you disagree, I'm sure we can agree that DU is not a Ponzi scheme. Just saying. We are all of us in the gutter, some of us are looking at the stars.

[izzybeans]

100. Ah huh

As a Kucinich supporter thanks for reminding me.

the stars must be nice.

[barack the house]

82. Yeah Olberman needs to tone it down especially with emotions so high.

[JVS]

84. It is a ponzi scheme

[Texas Hill Country]

90. thank you... he has been horrible for a while

[Upton]

94. Keith is the best thing going

if you don't like what he has to say, don't watch him. Anyway, I think he was right about the Ponzi scheme.

[Raffi Ella]

95. There was no difference in his behavior last night

than any other night since he became an Obama Shill.

Olbermann is Our very own Bill O.

[McCamy Taylor]

96. I watched CNN last night. They were very professional. Ponzi scheme?Media Matters wont touch it.

They love him. KO is one of the reasons the Dems are divided. GE is using him to split us so they can boost McCain who never met a request for a new nuclear reactor he would not approve.