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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:07 PM
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Obama won these states with 60% or more: ID, HI, WA, GA, CO, MN, AK
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:08 PM
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1. Were any of those primaries? n/t
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:08 PM
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2. I think GA was, but I don't think the others were. Clinton won AR by more than 60% (primary)
not sure though
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:09 PM
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4. should those voters be disenfranchised?
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:13 PM
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9. GA and MS, VA, and MD were. .
Edited on Tue May-13-08 10:15 PM by Mass
But silly me, they do not count. (for some other reason).

This said, congratulation to Sen. Clinton for her big victory in WV.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:09 PM
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3. Sure - But Do You Have Any States That Count?
Edited on Tue May-13-08 10:09 PM by MannyGoldstein
Also, ID, WA, CO, MN, and AK are pretty much all black.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:09 PM
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5. yep, they don't count as 3/5ths of an actual state.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:10 PM
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7. Nah...Just Caucus States.
When WA actually voted in their primary, it was 50-47% or so...
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chascarrillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:17 PM
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12. It was a joke primary that didn't count for delegates. Many people skipped it.
Others voted in it because they wanted to anyways. Other voted in it because they had downticket ballots (which not all localities had).

"Actually voted" my ass.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:10 PM
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6. Rare for Hillary to get blowouts...For Obama it's virtually ALWAYS a Blow-out.
Edited on Tue May-13-08 10:13 PM by quantass
That explains why he has an insurmountable lead in delegates...let's never forget that...he won by serious, and consistent blowouts.

When Hillary wins it isnt by all that much..so a WVA is a rarity...and sometimes out of pity one can throw a bone or two to the rat in the corner so it wont starve...so Cheers Hillbots
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DesEtoiles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:11 PM
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8. Hillary keeps saying she wants all the states to matter - including the Obama blow-out states
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:14 PM
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10. I thought only the states she's won is what counts? Silly Me...so Hillary is getting a concience...
i smell bs.
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Colin D Cops Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:16 PM
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11. 5 of those 7 were caucuses
Edited on Tue May-13-08 10:20 PM by Colin D Cops
And in Washington, where Obama won both the primaries and caucuses, he won the primaries only by 5%. Primaries as you all know attract many, many more voters, and caucuses often result in lopsided wins for the candidate with the most loud activists.

The caucus system is so flawed that the USA Today editorialized in February that, 'Caucuses are no way to choose a candidate', for the following reasons:

*Turnout is much lower at caucuses than at primaries. The caucuses in Washington state on Saturday drew fewer than 50,000 people. That's about 1.3% of the state's registered voters.

This isn't just a Washington phenomenon. In the more than 20 Super Tuesday contests, average turnout at caucuses was only about 6% of eligible voters, while primaries averaged about 29%, nearly five times as many, according to the U.S. Elections Project at George Mason University.

* Caucuses disenfranchise some voters. Attending a caucus can be prohibitively difficult. Caucuses are typically held for a limited time on a specific day — an hour or two on a Thursday evening in Iowa, for example. Though some states make provisions for those who can't show up, caucuses usually exclude people who are working, out of town or serving in the military overseas. By contrast, primaries allow voting from early morning until the evening, and provide ample opportunities for absentee ballots.

* Caucuses violate the tradition of the secret ballot. Though some caucuses allow a private ballot, others require participants to publicly "vote" — by standing in a designated part of the room in Iowa's caucuses, for example. For anyone worried about pressure or retribution from spouses, friends or colleagues — or, more ominously, from bosses or government officials — it's a significant disincentive. Former president Bill Clinton claimed he witnessed union officials pressuring workers before Nevada's caucuses last month, threatening to change their work schedules so they couldn't attend the caucuses unless they promised to vote for Barack Obama.

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2008/02/our-view-on-pre.html
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:18 PM
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13. GA, MS, MD, and VA. All primary states that he won with 60 + %.
What excuse for these ones?
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Colin D Cops Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:21 PM
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14. No excuses. He just lost the ability to win by a large margine a long time ago
And your list is much better than the list of 7 states cited by the other person, which included many caucuses.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:24 PM
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16. Also, won SC and MD by more than 20 pts. No spin: Hillary lost. n/t
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:24 PM
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17. You see. You found an excuse to say they should not count.
I was sure of that.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:23 PM
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15. Primaries that Obama won by 29 or more pts: IL 65%, GA 67%, DC 75%, VA 64%
Obama also won the following caucus states by 30 or more points:

HI (76%), WA (68%), NE (68%), MN (66%), AL (75%), ID (79%), KS (74%) and CO (67%)


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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-13-08 10:33 PM
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18. The races, so far,
in terms of margin. Obama won them all except the two in italics. Now count WV for Clinton.

1. Virgin Islands (84.4%)

2. Idaho (64.4%)

3. Hawaii (52.6%)

4. District of Columbia (52.0%)

5. Alaska (50.6%)

6. Kansas (48.4%)

7. Washington (36.8%)

8. Georgia (36.2%)

9. Nebraska (35.4%)

10. Colorado (34.6%)

11. Minnesota (34.6%)

12. Dems Abroad (34.0%)

13. Illinois (32.8%)

14. South Carolina (29.1%)

15. Oklahoma (27.4%)

16. Arkansas (27.1%)

17. Maryland (25.8%)

18. North Dakota (25.2%)

19. Mississippi (25.0%)

20. Wyoming (23.8%)

21. Lousiana (23.8%)

22. Vermont (23.4%)

23. Maine (19.3%)

24. Utah (18.4%)
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