Why Hillary Lost My Daughter and Me....

[mcctatas]

"Compared with that other historic candidate, for her there was no contest. "I didn't find her inspirational at all," she said flatly of Clinton.

As for Barack Obama, she heard in his soothing voice, his brilliant speeches, his very demeanor, the language of her generation. The language of inclusion and hope. "He talks about change, and I believe him," my daughter said, her face lighting up.

We've heard a lot about the power of inspiration during this long heated race. From the beginning Hillary was roundly dismissive of such talk. Oh, those naïve young people! she condescended. Those starry-eyed kids drinking the Obama punch! Maybe if she had been less tone-deaf, less a political weathervane changing her message and her campaign staff (remember Clinton loyalist Patti Solis Doyle?) almost as often as her suits, Hillary might not have caused such angst and handwringing among feminists. Even as older women and feminists icons like Gloria Steinem rallied to her, many young women found her stuffy, rigid, imperious -- a throwback to establishment politics." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mona-gable/why-hillary-lost-my-daugh_b_101567.html

[funflower]

1. The Tuzla airport nonsense sealed it for me. n/t

[cliffordu]

29. Yep. That really frosted my ass.

[Wetzelbill]

2. She ran into a buzzsaw with him

She's a great candidate, don't get me wrong, but he has some pretty special political gifts. Plus you just can't count out certain negatives she has against her. The "same old" establishment thing. She's part of the status quo. Plus Hillary is a polarizing figure, even in her own party. Lots of people love her, but others can't stand her, the Iraq War vote didn't help either. If she ran four years ago, she would have been the nominee. In many other years she would have gotten it, but nearly 8 years of Bush, plus nearly thirty years of a Bush or Clinton being president or a VP and people are looking to move on. She's great, love her, it just wasn't her time.

[Left coast liberal]

21. I agree 100%, now it is time for all us Dems to stick together.

[ccharles000]

3. We have different opinions about Hillary.

But thank you for being passionate for our party.

[dorktv]

4. Um...soothing voice?

[JanusAscending]

5. Hell yeah!!!

Have you ever heard Barack "screeching"??? Listening to Hillary is like listening to nails on a chalkboard ! I couldn't take 8 years of that! Barack's voice is very soothing, and calming. When he's making a specific point, he gets UP in his tone, but keeps his cool.

[Raine]

7. I'll say...

I love his voice! :-)

[VotesForWomen]

9. oooohhh, and he's tall and so dreamy. that's why i'm voting for him.

[JanusAscending]

23. Your........

words,..........NOT mine !!!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

30. Kinda sexist remark from you VFW. Just saying.

Believe it or not, women who support Obama are not all a bunch of silly giggling schoolgirls. Hint: The "Obama Girl" thing was a satirical spoof, not a real supporter.

[dorktv]

26. I have heard Senator Obama in person and up close...No. Not soothing.

[Cha]

32. But, then you like the screeching hilary

so there's no accounting for some people's taste.

[dorktv]

35. To be honest, I have never even heard her during this race.

I have only read her speeches.

I have however seen Senator Obama live and up close. Still not soothing.

[silverweb]

6. Nicely expressed.

She lost all my respect when she started lying and making personal attacks on a fellow Democrat.

[VotesForWomen]

8. oh god, she didn't find Hillary 'inspirational??' i suppose she didn't think hill was cool enough ei

either. this is why america is fucked.

[cali]

12. America is fucked because many dems aren't supporting YOUR candidate?

Let me tell you why Hillary lost me: First, she voted for the IRW. That was a disqualifier for my support in the primary- just as it was for JK and JE in 2004 and for JE, Dodd and Biden this year. She ran an arrogant and shoddy campaign. She voted for K/L and against limiting cluster bomb use in civiliam areas. I could care less about Tuzla but the attempt by the Clinton campaign to frame Obama as a fringe minority candidate was despicable. Her campaign's dismissive attitude toward caucus states and any state that Obama won, spoke to a lack of character. I could go on, but I think I've made clear that my lack of support for Clinton has to do with specific words and actions from the candidate herself. And it has zip to do with thinking that Obama is dreamy or cool.

[Samantha]

20. I agree with everything you say - but there's also this

To tell you the truth, I have been appalled at the sheer "corniness" and banality of her campaign from its inception. I would have thought someone as well educated as Hillary Clinton could have orchestrated a much more inspirational message. Rather than being a credit to women, she's a disgrace in the Presidential field.

I said in 2003 I would not support her for her eventual Presidential run because of the way she conducted herself politically. I have never deviated from that position. However, this campaign she has put forth seems like something that might have played in the 70s and 80s -- but NOT TODAY.

And the way she moves from geographical area to geographical area altering her accent to fit the locale is unbelievable. One of the most egregious examples of Hillary morphing her very being to blend in with the landscape of the primary of the moment was when she stepped off that plane in Texas, onto the center stage, with her bouffant hairdo, emulating the late great Ann Richards. To say it was blatantly appalling is an extreme understatement.

I find it truly mindboggling she continues to have the support she has today - what a disappointing reflection on the mindset of millions of voting Americans. As Howard Dean was fond of saying, we can do better than that -- MUCH, MUCH BETTER.

Sam

[truedelphi]

22. The people that I know who support her are mid level bureaucrats

Who find it hard to think outside of the box.

Who are used to being told what they need to do to get their next promotion.

And also, to a woman, they tell me they get their news from the M$M.

Don't have time for the Internets!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

31. The political ones I know are party insiders for the most part

Big donors and the kind of people who haven't knocked on a door or picked up a phone to talk to voters in decades, if ever. Clinton looked good on paper and was Bill's wife. That's all they needed to know. The activists gravitated to Obama, which I think was quite simply because he actually put a grassroots organization on the ground in our state from the get-go. If you're the sort of person who likes to do grunt work, you need a candidate who gives you the opportunity. Obama was that candidate.

[truedelphi]

47. After the 2004 election, I met many local upper level party

Members, and it is as you say.

Now I live in Lake County CA and I couldn't believe that the folks around here who occupy positions in the party are rather radical. Many were Edwards' supporters.

[Catherina]

37. Cali. I love you n/t

:loveya:

[eridani]

17. REPUKE frames and talking points are not "cool" n/t

[JanusAscending]

25. After reading your profile,

it seems like you've been a busy, busy beaver! All those anti-Obama posts you've made must take up sooooo much of your time!! One would think you are a paid HRC operative!!! :rofl: :rofl: :woohoo: (like she's paying any of her bills) Give it a rest. Take a break. The loss is getting to ya!

[flor de jasmim]

10. A bit of perspective

It's ironic that so much of the angst around Hillary's inability to win the nomination centers around the hopes that the dreams of the first female candidate would be so crushed. She was never my first choice (for reasons of "dynasty", even if once removed), but for a long time if she had pulled out the nomination I would have supported her in words and deeds. Until the lying, until the damning of a fellow Democrat. But I digress...

no, what I think we should remember is the human element. Yes, her hopes were dashed, but were they any more dashed than those of other candidates who have not won? Many or most candidates put their hearts and souls--theirs and their family's--into the campaign, only to fail at some point. There is simply more talent and more enthusiasm than we have elected posts for. That means that every election cycle dreams will be crushed. They need to move on. We need to move on, with compassion for those who tried but could not make it.

I just don't believe that "it will take another generation" to have a woman in the White House. It could well be a single election cycle away.

[Summer of 41]

11. Hillary lost me when she won Texas and Oh and PA and IN and WV

that was the last straw, winning states is so f'n tone deaf.

[eridani]

13. She lost Texas n/t

[Summer of 41]

14. Check the primary results

caucus = fantasy land. Don't believe me. Tell me where that crap exists in the GE.

[eridani]

16. The most delegates win. That's how Texas does it n/t

[Apollo11]

15. I agree. Winning all those States just goes to prove how arrogant she is.

;-)

[KnaveRupe]

18. No, but it does prove what a poor strategist she is.

How could she win those states, and STILL be behind in pledged delegates, superdelegates, the popular vote and fundraising?

Obama looked at her strengths, assessed her vulnerabilities, and ran a brilliant campaign to defeat her.

[Cha]

34. Obama won Texas with the most Delegates..

get your facts straight. And, no matter how many states she did win..she's still the loser. Too bad, but her campaign was based on butkis.

[PassingFair]

19. For me, it was over before it started.

With her IWR vote, she disqualified
herself from getting my primary vote.

Then there was the matter of my receiving
her campaign materials for re-election
in New York....(I live in MICHIGAN!)
and her saying that she didn't know if
she would run or not. But I was getting
solicited for money!

Then the "shame on you Barack Obama"
moment made me a "hater".

[merh]

27. the clincher for me was when she belittled and mocked the hope

my god, Bill ran on "hope" in '92 and besides, you never, ever try to destroy anyone's hope - that is evil, that is cruel.

[XemaSab]

39. Hey merh

Did I send you the Nevada Barr book that takes place inside the cave?

If you haven't seen Planet Earth (the series), the Cave episode shows the inside of Lenchonguilla (sp) cave. OFF THE HOOK. :D

[ShortnFiery]

24. Well put - my young daughter and I are very similar in our perspectives as well.

:hi:

[TheDonkey]

28. Celestial choirs!!!!

[goclark]

45. Yes, the choirs

and the mean spirited put downs of another candidate.

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[smalll]

36. Your daughter: a "garter-belt feminist" rather than "shoulder-pad feminst."

Thats just the way the young girls roll. (Unfortunately.)

[Elspeth]

38. So the younger girls based their vote on superficial things, like vocal quality

and pretty words, and didn't really think about substance. I suppose we should thank No Child Left Behind.

[XemaSab]

40. I beg to differ...

I think young voters want someone TRULY inspirational and motivating... Obama offers that; Hillary doesn't.

[Elspeth]

43. Take a look at the OP: That is what it implies.

You can have an opinion, but you can't disagree with the fact that the OP characterizes the vote of younger women as based on things like vocal quality.

[Rubiconski2009]

41. Keep Hillary in Cartoon form :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-kwiNgfv1E

[Elspeth]

44. I'd rather see Barack in cartoon form along with his foreign policy faux pas

He was the least qualified candidate. He hasn't even served a single term in the Senate. Cynthia McKinney is a much better candidate, and a lot more savvy about what is really happening.

[LisaM]

50. I saw Hillary live and her vocal quality was fine.

The most inspiring thing there were the young girls (high school age) with their pink signs that they'd made by hand. Not all young girls are mesmerized by the rock star persona.

I personally don't trust the scripted smooth-talking approach and never have. It just gets under my skin. I don't like the notion of someone waving a hand to try and make me feel calm. Hillary speaks from the heart. She gets eager, and she has a lot of memories to try and talk about - I think it would be more unusual if she remembered everything from an 11,000 page schedule precisely as it happened. I like her guts, and if she doesn't always sound as soothing as people would like, well, so what?

[cjsmom44]

42. RE: Why did Hillary Lose me

I agree totally..sometimes the younger generation lights up the truth and leads the way and
I, like my daughter as well, began to see early on in the primary season, the brilliance of Obama.
He is bright, articulate, and has the integrity that is sorely needed in the White House.
I found her to be as you said, stuffy and rigid in her thinking...way to practical
and cut off from her feeling base. She was running on the male model...full steam ahead.
The people in this nation are hungry for a different message, that true strength
does not come with rattling swords or acting tough. True strength and true power
comes with an inner firmness, conviction, and wisdom and Barack Obama embodies all of
those qualities.

[marions ghost]

46. Without repeating

all the numerous ways that Hillary Clinton cooked her goose and added to her existing "negatives" during the campaign it's hard for me to understand how any body's on her bandwagon still, much less why millions would be. If I had supported her, I'd be having HUGE buyer's remorse right now. Although we're hearing from the Hillary supporters who are flexible enough to be talking conciliation between the 2 factions, we haven't heard much from Hillary voters who are now sorry they voted for her. And that's understandable because betrayal is pretty brutal. But I know they are out there.

Bottom line for me: Why settle for "above average & better than McCain" when you can have brilliance in a leader? Especially after Bu$h and the Rethugs?

Obama just has the edge and Hillary's fall makes it easier to count her out. I am not happy about it. I want to see all women candidates do well. But I can't even say "she ran a good race" and all that praise you give a good loser. All I can say is--this is how NOT to do it.

[mkultra]

48. the distortion regarding Obamas IWR vote sealed it for me.

it made me look at them critically and thats when i saw the skeleton.

[SeaLyons]

49. My daughter and I couldn't disagree with your post more....

Hillary is a remarkable woman, and would be a remarkable president!!