I'm stunned at how many people are having Obama buyer's remorse.

[Rosemary2205]

Edwards was my first pick - he dropped before the GA primary so I went Obama. I'll be just fine happy with Hillary too. I live in metro Atlanta and most of my extended family still lives near Detroit. Nearly everyone I know is some variation of black, white or mixed and almost all in the bottom 30% economically. I'd say the folks I know went about 50/50 Obama/Hillary. I don't know ANY Obamabots or Hillbots. More and more I'm hearing people who voted Obama express regret of some sort - and it's all about the Rev. Wright thing. A lot of the white folks are upset and baffled that Obama would attended a church with "that nut" and really do wonder if Obama is a racist against whites. A good 50% of blacks I know who voted Obama may or may not have trouble with Wright's comments but think the controversy has weakened Obama beyond electability this time out.

I figured it a flash in the pan Rovian type swiftboat tactic that would quickly go away once the RW radio whackjobs got bored with it. I was wrong. It keeps lingering and it worries me.

Obama has overcome worse. I hope once the general campaign starts in earnest people see enough of Obama that they forget Wright. But I have a bad feeling. Which is sad because I REALLY like Obama.

[gaiilonfong]

1. Oye

NO SALE

[dkf]

2. Do they understand that Obama was raised by his white mother and his

white grandparents and that he is half white and half black?

I never understand how they could imagine he would disavow half of himself.

[Window]

15. You do know about the "one drop rule." One drop of black blood makes you black.

What pisses me off about that is those that "passed," for white. They are more racist than most.

[dkf]

19. I don't understand that either.

Everyone here counts all the parts of their heritage, and we add percentages.

[cali]

3. thank you for your "concern"

but the anecdotal stuff about "everyone I know" extrapolated into legions are having buyers remorse over Obama, is really, really lame.

[ORDem]

23. ... took the word right out of my mouth, ... err, fingers, ... something. .... nt

[high density]

4. The few people I've talked to that have a problem with his skin color or his pastor

never supported him to begin with.

[JTFrog]

5. Is everyday opposite day in GDP for some folks?

I've seen links to the Clinton's buyer's remorse in California.

Do you have anything to back up your claim here? Or we just have to take your word for it?

[kevinmc]

6. I live in CA and the only remorse I have heard is the ones that voted Clinton....

they say they should have just went with Obama .... but the good news is they will in the GE in Nov.

[Hepburn]

17. This Californian seconds that statement. n/t

[OnionPatch]

43. And I third it.

As I posted below.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

52. Count me in

I have watched a few Hillary supporters back off when she started telling a series of outrageous lies about her past. They began to think she may be disingenuous about more than being shot at.

I have yet to meet a single Obama supporter who has remorse for their decision to back him.

I am well aware of Mr. Obama's flaws. I know his weaknesses. BUT I also know his strengths. No one candidate is ever perfect but remorse? Hell no.

[nichomachus]

46. Same here -- I hear a lot of remorse over backing Hillary and

the opinion that the Rev Wright thing was manufactured outrage over nothing

[Arugula Latte]

76. I agree. If California had voted a little later, Obama would have won.

[wiggs]

93. No doubt. nt

[Melinda]

82. I voted Edwards, my sister Clinton, and our boys Obama... the boys got it right, we got remorse

Count my sister and I in too. :hi:

[Colobo]

7. Bah....

[crankychatter]

8. this is statistically untrue... if California could vote today Obama would win by Ten points

... I saw a link to an article to that effect here on DU... that may have been the Bay Area... I'm not sure.

I think YOU may be having "buyers remorse."

Indiana and South Carolina proved conclusively the "Wright effect," is negligible.

[alphafemale]

18. I think even New York might have gone for Obama if they voted later.

I mean...look at SNL.

[Rosemary2205]

31. That's great.

And I hope you are right that the effect is negligible nationwide - though I've yet to see much of anything be equally true nationwide.

As for myself. I have no problem with Wright or Obama. I've heard some of the same messages in my own church from time to time, though delivered with less fire.

[Dawgs]

39. Same in Michigan.

[Jen-MI]

107. No Way! N/T

[Blue_State_Elitist]

69. Polls before the election had Obama up by ten in CA also.

[NJmaverick]

9. From what I have seen that number is zero and that doesn't surprise me

Obama is the kind of candidate, the more you know the better you like him.

[Creideiki]

30. Unless, of course, you're gay.

Oh, I forgot. The single most loyal constituency in the Democratic Party doesn't count. Sorry about that.

[NJmaverick]

33. Are you an Obama supporter, or just a self appointed spokes person for the gay community?

[Creideiki]

56. After the Logo debate

I was okay with him. I prefer Edwards, but I was okay with him. Not happy, but okay. He was parsing and triangulating against us, could have dealt with that.

Now he's surrounding himself with bigoted (if not outright homophobic) advisors, maintaining that his faith informs his bigotry, and refuses outreach to (need I say it again) the single demographic that has shown its loyalty to the Democratic Party more than any other--more than women, more than union members, more than Hispanics, more than African Americans.

I like the "self-appointed spokesperson" slur, though. That shows you might have the ability to think. Of course, I can turn it around and ask if you're the "self-appointed spokesperson" for the Obama supporters. Now, of course, you won't answer that. I guess I can say that I definitely am speaking for myself. There's extremely heated debate on Obama in gay forums I participate in that isn't there for Hillary (mildly heated debate there, because she has good and bad points as opposed to, well, all bad points). Obama will need to put some kind of overtly friendly individual up for the VP slot or the party will really risk losing the gay community this time around.

It should, really, be impossible for a Democratic Senator from Illinois (my home state) to lose my wholehearted support. Right now...to not hijack the thread too much, I'm starting to rethink whether I'm having buyers remorse for the entire Democratic Party.

[NJmaverick]

58. Refresh my memory, which candidate has a LGBT page on their website?

[Creideiki]

70. Ooh! A two-step!

Refresh my memory...which campaign took on the guy who insisted on DADT when Clinton tried to integrate the military as an advisor?

Refresh my memory...which candidate "regularly seeks out for 'spiritual counsel', James Meeks, who will serve as an Obama delegate at the 2008 Democratic convention in Denver, is a long-time political ally to the democratic frontrunner," (http://www.chicagopride.com/news/article.cfm/articleid/5603104)?

Refresh my memory...which candidate left the Illinois state DOMA intact while he was being given so much other Democratic Platform state legislation to sign as "sponsor" by his king-maker Emil Jones?

I'm not saying Hillary is great. She has been burned before--those of us who were politically aware (especially those of us who were politically aware and in the military in 1993) saw the homosexual integration of the military clearly as Hillary's push. But at the Logo debate, she was comfortable with the issues. I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool Hillary supporter. She has become gunshy on gay issues. I have no illusions there.

So, as Randi Rhodes would say, why should gay people vote against their own best interests?

Or as David Sirota would say, how likely is Barack to veto progressive legislation from the Right?

This is a messy, messy primary season. I wish Gore would have run again. I wish Kerry would have run again. I wish my golden retriever could have run. Any of those three would be more solid on progressive issues that are critical to a reliable Democratic demographic. Oh, but we should just wait...you know, just a bit longer--there's a war going on, and we can only handle one issue at a time. Oh, wait. The economy's also in trouble, and we can only handle two issues at a time. Oh, wait. The environment is self-destructing, and we can only handle three issues at a time. This is like some bizarre induction proof.

[NJmaverick]

72. I'm sorry did you answer my question, in that long post?

Seems to me something like a dedicated web page, shows best who cares about this community

[Creideiki]

73. Wait. A "dedicated web page"

Outweighs having Rev. Meeks as a spiritual advisor?

It outweighs taking on Sam "DADT" Nunn as a campaign advisor?

Some 1's and 0's outweigh actions?

Well, hell, the Log Cabin Republicans have several "dedicated web pages". Maybe they care more because their online presence outweighs Barack's? So does that mean that if McCain puts up a webpage we should support him?

But please, because I'm bored. Put in a link to the actual web page. I'll deconstruct it for you.

[NJmaverick]

74. Yes! Direct words and actions ALWAYS trumps associations!

[Creideiki]

75. So lets look at the words and actions

"Well, I think that marriage has a religious connotation in this society, in our culture, that makes it very difficult to disentangle from the civil aspects of marriage. And as a consequence it would be extraordinarily difficult and distracting to try to build a consensus around marriage for gays and lesbians. What we can do is form civil unions that provide all the civil rights that marriage entails to same sex couples. And that is something that I have consistently been in favor of."

http://www.bgay.com/bnews/news70329_barack_obama_talks_about_gay_marriage_and_immorality.htm

Well...sort of.

1) Other western countries managed to disentangle the relgious connotation.

2) I have friends that have the right to marry people that will give me the religious ceremony when I'm ready. But even the religious ceremony won't give me and my spouse the rights that a religious ceremony conferred on both of my brothers when they married their wives.

3) Atheists are allowed to get married--so long as they're straight.

4) Civil unions don't have the supporting legislation. New Jersey, for example, is re-examining whether their civil unions really provide equal benefits--well, actually, they're finding out that they don't.

--------------------------------------
Nickie Brazier called U.P.S., where she is a driver, to add Heather Aurand to her health insurance the day after their Feb. 22 civil union in New Jersey, knowing it would save them $340 a month. But U.P.S. said no. “They said it was because we’re not married,” Ms. Brazier recalled.

Dr. Kevin Slavin was able to sign his partner up for the health plan at the hospital where he specializes in pediatric infectious diseases but soon learned that both men’s benefits would be treated as taxable income — not the case for his married coworkers — and that his partner could not collect his pension if Dr. Slavin died.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/nyregion/13civil.html
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5) "Consistently been in favor of." Except in Illinois. He was a state senator. He could have taken a little time while he was busy signing on as sponsor everything Emil Jones put in front of him, he could have gotten a civil unions bill and signed that as sponsor.

So having someone else create a webpage should trump all of this?

[NJmaverick]

88. Wow, you are certainly the master of distortion

You have completely changed what Obama said. If you read the article Obama is very supportive of gays. Yet you some how twisted and distorted everything he said. That's pretty dishonest, if you ask me.

[Creideiki]

101. I've been called many things. Dishonest is never one of them.

You don't like truth. What can I say? "Truth is truth. It doesn't change because you don't like it."

I'm not distorting a thing. Barack is showing that he finds gay people a) irrelevant (we may be for him--after all, this "bastion" of liberal thought is just a much a safe-haven of anti-gay bigotry--come to the LGBT forum some time, people have been collecting the evidence) and b) distasteful. I'm sure he'd love the votes--but then what? Triangulation? Getting "thrown under the bus"? How long do you think the LGBT community will keep voting for the party that hates them rather than the party that despises them?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

92. Meanwhile, having Eddie Long, Harold Mayberry, and Darrell Jackson advising you is hunky dory!

Not to mention belonging to a creepy RW elitist prayer cult.

[Creideiki]

99. Not wholeheartedly supporting her, either.

One person doing something wrong doesn't make it right for someone else to do it, too.

Hillary gets a slight pass for previous actions. Barack is missing those actions.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

91. I'm sure you'll be much happier with McCain than Obama.

:crazy:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

89. So surrounding yourself with homophobic advisors is a bad thing?

Really.

Hillary's Donnie McClurkins

[MonkeyFunk]

63. Not true

I like him less than I did a year ago. Not to say I dislike him now, but I do, in fact, like him less than last year. Donnie McClurkin was a big part of it.

[Phillycat]

68. I like him a LOT less.

For the same reasons.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

96. But Her Majesty's homophobic associations are A-OK with you.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Clinton supporter. :puke:

[boobooday]

10. So these white folks think he is self-hating? He is half white

Are they perfectly free of racism? How many white presidents have we had who were racist against black people? Anti-Semitic?

There is nothing so pathetic as hearing a bunch of white people whine that black people might be racist against them. I say that as a white person. Do they think he is going to oppress white people if he is elected? The argument is embarrassing on its face.

Are we going to allow the lingering racists to dictate to us who we can and can't elect? Their numbers are small, and they make too much noise. Besides, they usually vote Republican, and soon they will be the only ones.

My last point. The answer to Rev. Wright is REV. MOON and others, if there must be an answer to the smears.

EDIT: I have to add that "buyer's remorse" is a disgusting term in this context. We didn't "buy" anybody.

[CatsDogsBabies]

11. Rev. Wright again?

I haven't heard mention of Wright for weeks. And no one has been mentioning him on here lately? Are you trying to stir things up?

[Dhalgren]

61. In Alabama, every Republican running for office

has tv ads out that either show clips of Wright or reference Wright or Obama's "guns and religion" statements. Most of the Republicans down here are already running against Obama; it remains to be seen whether their Democratic opponents run away from him or not...

[peacebaby3]

80. I haven't seen a single ad about any national candidate since before the Mar. 4 primary and we

have several races going on in my area.

[Dhalgren]

84. Yeah, in Huntsville there are anti-Obama ads being

run by Republicans all day long. But I think that the Democratic candidates running are so right-wing, that the Obama bashing won't help the Republicans much...

[peacebaby3]

103. None here. I'm on the opposite end of the state.

I also get news from the panhandle of FL and haven't seen anything there either.

Doesn't worry me much for two reasons:

1) This is AL. What are the chances anyway?

2) Didn't work in LA or MS which has similar demographics.

It is interesting how it is happening in Huntsville though and not down here. Of course, Dems are never really considered a threat in most places in AL.

[Dhalgren]

106. Yeah, our Democrats are practically Republicans.

The only reason you would call them "Democrats" is because that's what they call themselves...

[GreenEyedLefty]

12. I'll bet there are lots of commercials in the can re: Obama/Wright

made by the McCain campaign. I mean, people who sincerely believe that Obama is racist or a puppet for Rev. Wright are people who wouldn't vote for him in the first place.

That said, I disagree that he's unelectable. He's shown time and again that he is.

It's also entirely possible that running such ads will backfire on the McCain campaign, because all the Obama campaign has to do is mention John Hagee.

[Vinca]

13. They would smear the Pope if he was the candidate.

I'm sure there are an equal number of Lewinsky ads in the can.

[GreenEyedLefty]

16. Yep.

[Rosemary2205]

25. Amen to that

I am more than a little surprised at the reaction post Wright that I'm hearing around my neck of the woods considering we've been down this road before.

[graycem]

14. You mean, like none?

I think there's absolutely zero evidence of that. California on the other hand, now say they'd pick Obama over Clinton. He weathered the Rev.Wright kneecapping and I understand that's a disappointment to many, but surely that must impress even the most devoted Clinton supporter. He's fighting Hillary & Bill, John McCain, a degree of racism, walking a very tight rope between being attacked and not really being able to out and out attack in return, and he's still winning. I find it amusing that people will not give him at least THAT much credit. Sad really, since he is a DEMOCRAT and this isn't a GE like some seem to be playing it.

[MagickMuffin]

20. I don't believe Obama is a racist. He was blind sighted by the CorpoMedia

People need to realize you can't hold someone responsible for someone else's behavior. If everyone was held to the the exact same standard they are holding Obama to, then they should also be held to take exact same standard of people they know who spew everything that comes out of someone else's mouths.

I thought Obama gave an excellent speech on race. Everyone in the media thought so as well. Then there was another round on Rev. Wright to give the media more sound bytes, more 24/7 loop de loops. They are certainly pleased with themselves over it. They STILL can't quit talking about it. If they did then perhaps it wouldn't be an issue anymore.

[Rosemary2205]

40. If it wasn't this it'd be something else.

I don't find anything wrong with Wright's words or behavior to begin with. When the whole thing started I said right out of the gate the media was using it to tap into the quiet racism amongst some whites. The very vision of an extremely animated black man talking forcefully hits a sour note with more than a few whites in this country, let alone what he had to say. I didn't expect it to stick though, and I'm surprised it has amongst even one of the whites that I know let alone quite a few.

I agree Obama gave a very good speech on race, and I hope he can morph it into a serious ongoing conversation about race in this country. IMHO Whites do need to understand WHY a message like Wright's resonates with more than a few blacks in this country.

[FlaGranny]

66. "Obama, is a racist."

If someone tells me that, I have my answer ready. "Which half of his family is he racist toward, his mother's or his father's?" If he were racist, he'd probably be racist toward his father's race, because his father left him as a baby and he was raised by white people. Racists are the only kind of people who would suspect Obama of being racist because that is their mindset. Happily, I've seen diminishing racism in younger people, while many older folks hang onto it.

[MagickMuffin]

21. I don't have ANY REMORSE

I support Obama and will be representing him at the Texas State Convention in June.

Yes Siree, I'm a PROUD BARACK OBAMA DELEGATE

[still_one]

22. I live in Northern California, and I see more people moving toward Barrack

In fact all I see is Obama bumper stickers and yard signs

[myrna minx]

24. Recent data proves your observations...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5927376

[still_one]

26. Excellent /nt

[NatBurner]

32. lol

right?

chicken little, please chill

[CakeGrrl]

27. Did Karl Rove/Terry McAuliffe send out a blast fax this morning or something?

:wtf:

[thevoiceofreason]

28. Thank you for your concern

[graywarrior]

29. I'm hearing the opposite.

From people who voted for Hillary. They wished they had voted for Obama here in NH.

[midnight]

34. "a good 50% of blacks I know who voted Obama may

or may not have trouble with Wright's comments but think the controversy has weakened Obama beyond electability this time out."
I saw the interview with Bill Moyers. I have to say, I had no trouble with this minister. I do have trouble with other issues. He came from the great state of Illinois basically unchallenged. He road the cart of comfort from a man who bilked the poor. That is a huge problem for me. The time associated wtih this builder is the most troubling for me.

[iamthebandfanman]

35. they are ? n/t

[Name removed]

36. Deleted message

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[IsItJustMe]

37. Me thinks you live in your own reality system. Someone will bust your reality bubble one of these

days.

[Dawgs]

38. If you're from Atlanta you should be seeing all of the Obama stickers I'm seeing.

I've seen one for McCain (my first one yesterday), and two for Hillary.

I've seen at least fifty for Obama.

And BTW, Obama is leading Clinton in the latest Michigan polls.

Go Braves!! :)

[Rosemary2205]

41. Yes I do see A LOT of Obama stickers - and yard signs now. Finally.

I never so much as implied he has lost support - only that I'm shocked at how the Wright thing has stuck with people I never thought it would. I never took it seriously and surprised to find it's had any measure of success at all.

[Dawgs]

49. Why do you think the Wright thing has stuck with people?

After the second round of Wright coverage last week he exceded expectations in NC and probably would have won Indiana if it wasn't for Limbaugh.

And, what about our wins in Louisiana and Mississippi over Republicans that tried using Obama and Wright against the Democrats?

I just don't understand your logic.

[OnionPatch]

42. Haven't met a one.

And I'm very active in the Dem party. On the other hand, I know quite a few Clinton voters with buyer's remorse. :shrug:

[YOY]

44. Sorry...no sale

And no remorse...not even a little.

[shadowknows69]

45. I'm a former Edwards supporter and I'm actually glad John dropped out

I'm no longer just a default Obama fan. I've listened to him and analyzed him and I think he's the best and most important choice for our nominee. And guess what, A lot of my vote goes to him because he's black. I think it's really important given the disaster the last seven years has been, that we show the world we truly do live out the creeds in our founding documents. Even better than the founders did. Hillary would have been an equally important acheivement, obviously, but the way she conducted herself is beyond the pale for a Democratic candidate and I personally think she has hurt women by her behavior.

I'm for the Democratic Party first and for the person most likely to win it in November. I still believe that probably would have been Edwards, and definitely Gore, but without those factors I have to go with the candidate that offers real change, Barack Obama.

[GoldieAZ49]

47. I am not 'stunned' at all, in fact I had 'buyers remorse' in mid March

It will follow Obama through the GE if he is the nominee and the whole country will be close to the numbers in WV with Obama pulling a mere 26%

[democrattotheend]

48. I'm a little worried too

I have only met one person who regrets voting for Obama, and that was due to concern about electability. This person will definitely vote for Obama in the fall.

I am a little worried about buyer's remorse though...Reverend Wright has hurt Obama and there is no denying it.

I am worried, but not too worried...hopefully once the negatives about McCain get more attention he will be knocked off the pedestal a little the way Obama was. If you look at today's new Quinnipiac poll, just about everyone has an opinion of Clinton (only 7% say they don't know enough about her to make a decision), Obama still has 15% who say they haven't heard enough to view him favorably or unfavorably, and 22% say they have not heard enough about McCain to make a determination. So impressions of both Obama and McCain are still forming...hopefully Obama can regain control of the narrative.

[JimGinPA]

50. I Believe That Number Is Just Under One

[goclark]

51. I'm from Los Angeles and I am shocked that people

of ALL colors, especially African Americans, have not uttered the word Clinton with out calling her a name***.

That surprises me because when the campaign first started, I would hear people arguing Obama vs. Clinton. Now I heard them calling her names that aren't nice.

I've also have friends of all races all over the country,in Atlanta I have a lawyer friend that was for Clinton and worked in her campaign. She emailed me to say she switched to Obama. I was shocked!

She was telling me about the feelings that she was hearing in Atlanta. The Race Card did it for Clinton as far as she could tell and for people that I know in political groups in LA as well.
Before the Race Card Situation some were perhaps working for Obama and still admiring the HCBC.
Big fans, including me.

I have to disagree..... the Race Card has STRENGTHENED the Obama supporters and given the Clinton supporters a reason to NOT stay with her.
Yes, Rev. Wright was a +/1 with those in my political circles but there are too many that have decided to give more to his campaign, work more time and energy to get out the vote etc.
They believe he can WIN and they are solidly behind him being the Next President.


"A good 50% of blacks I know who voted Obama may or may not have trouble with Wright's comments but think the controversy has weakened Obama beyond electability this time out."

[yellowcanine]

53. Don't know who you are talking to, but from my personal experience that number is ZERO.

Are you sure you aren't hearing what you want to hear? Perhaps doing a little "push polling"? Hmmm?

[MattBaggins]

54. These changes are interesting

Isn't it amazing that if CA were to vote now; Hillary would get trounced?

[stevenleser]

55. Official "It does not follow" *PLONK*

[gabby garcia]

57. "Which is sad because I REALLY like Obama."

hmmm.

[onenote]

59. funny thing: the polls seem to show a lot of Clinton buyer's remorse

Polls in some of the states that already held primaries, such as California, show that if the primary was held today, Obama would do much better than he did originally.

[L0oniX]

60. Quit wasting web space.

[CarlWoodward]

64. I'm in Texas

and I've heard zero cases of "buyer's remorse" when it comes to Obama (who won the state, btw). In fact, I probably see three or four times more Obama yard signs, bumper stickers, T-shirts, etc. than Hillary stuff. And interestingly, I've seen almost no John McCain stuff out there at all.

[democracy1st]

71. I'm in Houston I don't know what these people are talking about

[SparkyMac]

62. And they haven't even seen the termites ... yet n/t

[Kixel]

65. It's interesting how it differs

According to region. In Minnesota, I haven't heard of anyone falling away from Obama.

[Occam Bandage]

67. As am I, since I haven't heard of anyone having "buyer's remorse." OTOH, I know of three Clinton

supporters who have dropped off her wagon. I'm engaged to one of them.

[barack the house]

77. A week before Indiana it was all Wright all the time and he nearly won it. WV was for clinton months

back same figures on pollster. Even before Wright.

[BlooInBloo]

78. How many delegates have switched from Obama to Clinton?

[Irishonly]

79. I live on the west coast

If the primary were held again in CA I don't think Hillary would win it. I was also an Edwards supporter and voted for him in the CA primary even though he had dropped.

Rev Wright is not Obama. As some point, I hope. people will get their heads out of their butts and look at the person and not the spin.

[peacebaby3]

81. It didn't seem to matter in NC or IN and the media had Wright on 24/7 so I

think that your personal experience isn't at all reflective of the country.

[grantcart]

83. There is nothing in the polls to indicate any buyers remorse

BTW Its good to remember that candidates actually run against another candidate and any opinions you hear they only mean something if they are made in reference to another candidate and not against a news story.

[bcoylepa]

85. name one

cause I don't know any

[Overseas]

86. I'm amazed at Hillary Supporters Out in Force w/ Negative Comments

Lots of different threads. Sowing doubt in a last ditch effort. Not thinking about how much worse things would be if the super delegates took the vote away from the guy who has won.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

87. Thanks for your concern. nt

[cliffordu]

90. Another fake concern post. Rev Wright concern. That's two on so far today.

[Vinca]

94. I don't know a single person with Obama "buyer's remorse."

On the other hand, I know for a fact Hillary's gas tax pandering didn't do her any good among what are now former supporters. You don't have to slip and fall in a steaming pile to recognize BS.

[AtomicKitten]

95. If they present their voting stub, they can get $2 off their next purchase.

Obama is on the precipice of wrapping up the nomination. This type of anecdotal "evidence" of his demise is designed to throw a wet blanket on that, but Obama's nomination is just a whisper from being a done deal. And since Obama garnered the majority of the vote in this process, it's pretty safe to say most Democrats than not are happy about that.

And btw if California had a re-do today, Obama would win. So, there's that.

Californians Would Switch Clinton Vote For Obama
http://cbs5.com/politics/poll.clinton.obama.2.720136.html

SAN FRANCISCO (CBS 5) ― California voters would change their February primary vote for Hillary Clinton to a vote for Barack Obama if the vote were held again, according to an exclusive poll commissioned by CBS 5.

While voters in the California Democratic Presidential Primary backed Clinton by a 10-point margin, a new SurveyUSA poll shows that if given the chance to vote again, Californians would choose Barack Obama by a 6-point margin, 49%-43%.

The poll was conducted on May 7 and 8 and has a margin of error of 4%.

On the Republican side, John McCain won by 8 points in the California primary. The new poll says he would win by 35, in a 55%-20% victory over Mitt Romney, if Californians were given the chance to vote again.

[Scriptor Ignotus]

97. as if Democrats wouldn't have buyer's remorse

had Hillary been our presumptive nominee.

The GOP will tarnish whoever we nominate. The shine off the apple is destined to fade. This is just how it is.

[Stuckinthebush]

98. Wow...I'm totally seeing the opposite

I was an Edwards supporter who reluctantly went to Obama months ago. I have become much more impressed with him over time.

I have also found this is the case with many others I talk with.

The Rev. Wright thing is only still bouncing around in the minds of people who wouldn't vote Dem anyway. I haven't heard any Democrats or independents discuss it as a serious problem.

[damonm]

100. The other way around here in CA...

Where polls indicate that, were the CA primary today instead of Feb (where Clinton won handily), OBAMA would beat Clinton by 5-8 points!

[bvar22]

102. Is THIS the latest "astroturf" talking point issued by Hillary HQ?

We need to see if this talking point is picked up today by the other 5 Hillary operatives at DU.


To absolutely disprove your "speculation" one needs only to look at the direction of the SDs.....who are overwhelmingly moving into the Obama column.

Hillary is losing delegates to Obama which means early Hillary supporters are having "buyers remorse".

Get some new friends.

[Cha]

104. That's too bad that the people you know

get sucked in that way..the people I know are more savvy than that and they're looking forward to an Obama Presidency with the enthusiasm that this country hasn't seen for a loooonnng time.

[SoCalDem]

105. Try some Pepto-Bismol

As long a Hillary's stalking him, it will be an edgy time..

He cannot really attack her anymore, since she's irrelevant, but she's still attacking him..

He's been fighting the ever-moving goalposts since day one, and now as he's nearing the finish line, she and her henchmen want to move it once again..

She should have been shut down LONG ago, but now no one can since she's morphed herself into Saint Hillary-purveyor of all people, female and/or undereducated white folks..

She's now holding them "hostage" , as her bargaining chip.

If the media had done its job after Wisconsin (when she REALLY lost), and pushed her off the stage, we would be in a much better, more unified place....but they loved the drama of it all, so they propped her up enough to stay "in it"..and here we are..with HER dictating terms..and everyone tippy-toeing around her "feelings"..

[Rosemary2205]

109. LOL - I'm more into Tums. LOL

I don't know that I entirely agree with you on Hillary, but I hope you are right in that when the D Nom is finally chosen it will take the wind out of the Wright/Obama thing. I live in Clayton Co. Georgia (south metro Atlanta), pred black and overwhelmingly Dem, and we've been blasted with Wright/Obama commercials - come to find out Cobb Co (north metro Atlanta) mostly Repub, hasn't seen hardly any. When I was in Michigan over the weekend I was appalled at how many Wright/Obama commercials there were and how it was beginning to affect the folks from back home.

I hope you are right and it will soon all be a distant memory. :)

[WilliamPitt]

108. ?