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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:40 AM
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So it's come down to this.
Hillary Rodham Clinton, herself a product of the Ivy League, one of the wealthy, powerful elite, is trying to cut out the heart of the Democratic party by pandering to the uneducated, the anti-intellectual, the bigoted, in her words the "hard working Americans, white Americans". Despite the fact that she is so far removed from this life that she is challenged by such simple concepts as pumping her own gas and getting her own coffee at the corner store, she is basing her claim to the nomination on the fact that she is the candidate of the great unwashed.

If this wasn't so sad, so pathetic and so destructive to the party, it would be laughable. A Dukakis in the tank moment, a Bush I puking on his hosts moment. Instead, this tactic truly reveals Hillary's desperation and her willingness to win at all costs, no matter who she throws under the bus.

She and her supporters surely know that by a large, large margin, intellectuals and college grads break for the Dems. Surely they know that virtually all ethnic groups break hard for the Dems. Surely they know that many of her so called supporters are only fair weather friends, devotees of Rush and his ilk who are trying to throw the primary process in order to get who they feel is weakest GE candidate. This group of people, mostly under educated and white, will leave Hillary in the GE, and thus throw the campaign to McCain. After all, they are bigoted rednecks who feel a woman in the White House is almost as big an abomination as a black man.

But she's continuing to pander to these false friends, claiming that because of their support she should get the nomination. Hmmm, who's the last presidential candidate who based his claim to fame on his rapport with the common man? Oh, yeah, the current idiot in office, whom most people wanted to have a beer, and possibly a bump, with. That should be a big warning sign right there.

But no, apparently not, and Hillary continues blithely on, taking the Democratic party not back to the good ol' days of the Reagan Democrats, but further back to the good ol' days of the Dixiecrats, throwing the rest of the party, the intellectuals, the various ethnic groups, immigrants, the GLBT community, that vast quilt of disparate groups, all in favor of her mythical "hard working Americans, white Americans". This is beyond sad, beyond a tragedy, beyond politics. This is Hillary sacrificing the heart and soul of the Democratic party on the alter of her greed, ambition and vanity.

With this latest, most desperate ploy, Hillary stands revealed. She isn't a Democrat, at least not where it counts. She is a pandering politician, willing to sell her core values and beliefs out to anybody who will help her in her ambition to become President. This isn't the sort of person, the sort of values, that we need in our nominee, nor in our President. After all, the last President who pandered to the racist, bigoted, uneducated vote shredded our Constitution, got us into an illegal, immoral war, and sadly has eight more months of damage to inflict.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:42 AM
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1. Where does it count?
She isn't a Democrat, at least not where it counts. She is a pandering politician, willing to sell her core values and beliefs out to anybody who will help her in her ambition to become President.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:45 AM
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3. Rather than trying to base her fitness for the job on an appeal to the
"hard working Americans, white Americans" she should rise above this sort of rhetoric and make an appeal to all Americans, you know, the big tent concept that once made the Democratic party great.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:47 AM
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4. Obama's tent has shrunk -- kicking Hillary supporters isn't smart
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:24 AM
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12. How has Obama's tent shrunk?
Let's see, he's leading in delegates, superdelegates and the popular vote. He's won in areas as diverse as Illinois and Idaho, North Carolina and Texas. Where's the shrinkage?:shrug:

Oh, and explain how I'm "kicking Hillary supporters", since all I'm doing is pointing out the obvious and using Hillary's own words?
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:43 AM
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2. It's too late for rhetoric -- gas is $4 and we need an experienced plumber to fix W's mess
Edited on Wed May-14-08 07:44 AM by splat
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:47 AM
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6. Frankly she's not even that
She's willing to leave combat troops, going on combat missions in Iraq throughout her first term, not to mention her promise to nuke Iran. Apparently the only tools she has in her plumber's kit are gunpowder and other explosives.
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RichardRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:52 AM
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8. Can you suggest someone with experience in getting OPEC
to change it's ways and who is currently pursuing the nomination for the Democratic nomination? How about anyone in U.S. politics who has ever done that? Any non-OPEC member?

Nobody knows how to fix this problem; I prefer the person who recruits the widest range of input and synthesizes a solution rather than the person who keeps trying to turn the screw with the same old hammer.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:47 AM
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5. she didn't get places like Idaho or Kansas
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:51 AM
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7. Excellent Post MH !!! - K & R !!!
:bounce::kick::bounce:
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:55 AM
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9. What a disgusting, racist thread.
This is sickening.

You are implying by saying "the uneducated, the anti-intellectual, the bigoted, in her words the 'hard working Americans, white Americans'" that all whites who haven't been to college fit this description. That all blue collar whites fit this description.

Absolutely disgusting.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:26 AM
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13. Excuse me, but I think that you're reading waaay too much into my words
I just love such faux outrage in the morning.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:58 AM
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10. She is doing her very best
to get Gramps McCain elected... all the better to be the Dem nominee in 2012.

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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 07:58 AM
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11. I Didn't Know Uneducated And Anti-Intellectual Are Synonymous
Lots of folks didn't have the opportunity to acquire a lot of formal education... This doesn't mean they hate or dislike people who are smarter than them and it is a calumny to suggest they do...

I know lots of folks who have a PhD in life...
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:28 AM
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14. And I would be one of those
I spent a couple of years homeless in my youth, and most of my adult life working in blue collar or service jobs. That meant I was uneducated, however I wasn't anti-intellectual.

I think that you are trying to twist my words because you don't like my message. Nice try and all, but it won't work.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:36 AM
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17. Here's Your Exact Quote
"Hillary Rodham Clinton, herself a product of the Ivy League, one of the wealthy, powerful elite, is trying to cut out the heart of the Democratic party by pandering to the uneducated, the anti-intellectual, the bigoted, in her words the "hard working Americans, white Americans". "

What other inference was I supposed to make?

I do think some folks without a lot of education resent folks with a lot of education because they lord it over them... However, I think most folks put a high premium on education and few folks deride it...

As to your suggestion that working class folks weren't part of the traditional Democratic tradition I disagree... The New Deal coalition that endured for nearly fifty years with some occasional fissures consisted of working class folks, African Americans, Jews, and intellectuals...


And as I said sometime I would rather cast my lot and spend time with someone who got a PhD in Life as opposed to a PhD from Harvard...

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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:22 AM
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19. Try reading the words, not making specious inferences
What I was trying to say was that Hillary, while indeed pandering to the blue collar worker, is also by her rhetoric and actions trying to cut out the intellectual, the well educated, also a traditional, and large base of support for the Democratic party.

I never made the suggestion that blue collar people were not part of the big tent. What I'm deriding is her base call to the racists, bigots and blue collar folks to the exclusion of all others. This is itself a form of elitism, or rather anti-elitism, and is just as corrosive. This harkens back to the days of Dixiecrats, Wallace and others of such ilk.

Don't infer, read, and if you have questions, ask.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:19 AM
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25. Can You Define "Intellectual" For Me?
It's an amorphous word and I think if we come up with a rigorous definition there are not that many of them although a lot of folks fancy themselves one...

I have a A.A. , B.S., M.A. and have completed thirty six hours of post grad work in Political Science at Florida State University and I don't consider myself an "intellectual"...

As for your remark about elitism , whether it is painful to acknowledge or not, there are folks who think they are better than everybody else and attribute their self professed higher station in life to wealth, good breeding, education or whatever... I don't have a problem railing against these people...After all , we're all equal...


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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:32 AM
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15. McKnuckledragger, Clinton and Obama.
And Obama is the elitist?

:wtf:
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:34 AM
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16. Because they've always been willing to play the Southern Strategy,
I believe that the Clintons are not only racists but worse: they're bigots. :nuke:
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 08:50 AM
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18. Yeah, that's why Bill's office is in Harlem
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:24 AM
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20. Glad to know I"m not the only one who woke up disgusted. Bravo, well-said.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:29 AM
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21. Thaks n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 09:46 AM
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22. It's hard to run against Obama's charisma, brilliance and grace
He's appealing to people's higher instincts at a time when people want change the most desperately. That doesn't leave Hillary with much. She waas half dead before she even started over Iraq and Iran. Her most loyal groups are women who emphathize with her difficult position, people who think she'll take us back to the 1990 Clinton years, and people who want to see us go after Iran. Among common Democrats who are Democrats because of their idealism that doesn't leave much.

I resigned myself to the fact that ambitious politicians pander to any group worth pandering to for a vote.

I condemn her for sinking so low but it's within the rules of the game. The mostly Conservative Democrats of W. Va are still Democrats, and even the racists are still Americans who get a say in who governs them.

I agree with the things you said but in an ACLU sort of way, she's not breaking any rules. We never had many. And we never had that many scruples either. It's beyond a tragedy which is why this battle is so intense and people are taking the party back from the Third Way. Honestly, I find this all very encouraging because the people are winning and the DLC is being exposed for what it is. It's growing pains for where we want to go.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:07 AM
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23. Spokesmodels don't appeal to higher instincts, but to glamour
Bread and butter binds us.
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:01 PM
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26. So now you're trying to state that Obama is some sort of supermodel?
Wow, thanks for proving some of my points, I appreciate it.
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 10:12 AM
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24. wonderful post...K&R (nt)
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goodboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:48 AM
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27. . (kick).
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