Why Obama Is The Stronger Candidate (A Picture Really Is Worth A Thousand Words)

[berni_mccoy]

Obama has won 15 landslides to Clinton's 3

Obama has won 12 big double-digit victories to Clinton's 7

Total contests: Obama 32, Clinton 16

[ClayZ]

1. K and R

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. but Clinton is running in a different Primary to this one

:evilgrin:

[The Doctor.]

31. And here I thought they were just moving the goal posts...

I never thought they could turn them sideways.

[dchill]

46. Yes - the Carlos Castaneda Primary...

It's in A Separate Reality.

[Ken Burch]

70. Has Don Juan endorsed her yet?

n/t.

[BlueCaliDem]

89. No, but I think Don Quixote believes in her. He sees a kindred spirit. ;-) eom

[George II]

121. Of course, isn't her husband "Don Juan"?

[Ken Burch]

130. Not in the Casteneda sense, especially since Bill "didn't inhale".

n/t.

[George II]

131. I was just kidding...I'm 60, and despite all, Bill is STILL the best president during my lifetime...

[Just-plain-Kathy]

154. We thought Bill was the best,....

...that was until we came to realize that his policies helped lay the foundation for the mess we're in today.

He enacted the Iraqi Liberation Act calling for the oust of Saddam. His Telecommunication's Act led to the consolidation of ownership of our media, -giving us the corporate controlled propaganda media we have now. The Clinton’s were the past administration who advised our senate on their IWR vote. NAFTA. Rendition.

I always though the Clintons made a deal with the corporate powers that be. Eighty millions dollars were spent on trying to get dirt on the Clintons , yet all they could find was Monica???

IMO, Bill went to the dark side during his second term. The fact Hillary's on her way out the door, has given me hope.

[George II]

169. IMO, he didn't, he just was portrayed as going to the dark side...

...as I said earlier, despite his faults and shortcomings, he still accomplished more as President than anyone else in decades.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

157. Twilight Zone?

[George II]

120. Wouldn't that be called a "Secondary" then???

[Rosa Luxemburg]

158. Oh yes!

[AllexxisF1]

3. Kicked....

Kicked for truth.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

175. kicked because some confused people were bringing up the electability argument again

so for the truth:

[greguganus]

4. Purple states don't count to the Clintoons. n/t

[MNBrewer]

150. Especially the caucus states, like Minnesota

[BattyDem]

5. Wow!

I knew Obama won twice as many states, but when you see the map and the percentages, it's very impressive! :D

[MagickMuffin]

6. Impressive MAP, Did you create it, if not where did you get it?.?.?

I :loveya: maps

:kick: & RRRRRRRR

[berni_mccoy]

10. Link

It was made just for wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2008_Democratic_Primaries_Delegate_Vote.png

[dbmk]

13. Right click - show image

Tells you Wikipedia.

A search there leads me to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_primaries%2C_2008

Which seems to be the origin.

Hope that helps.

[MagickMuffin]

27. Thx, dbmk

although I ctrl click and opened a new tab and there it was.

:hi:

[WillyT]

7. THANK YOU !!! - K & R !!!

:bounce::yourock::bounce:

:kick:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

179. kicking for those who can't add n/t

[ekwhite]

8. But, but Obama can't win without West Virginia!

Seriously, though - he is the stronger candidate because he has won the pledged delegates, superdelegates and popular vote. He matches up well with McCain nationally.

[genna]

76. Do you buy the argument that he expands the map?

Do national candidates who are not conservative southerners win West Virginia?

If you think Obama extends the map into the Pacific Northwest rim states, then the answer is this national Democratic candidate does not need West Virginia.

If you think he needs to run a 50 state strategy, there is an argument that he should have avoided the chaos of WV until he had time to spend there. Obama had 6 or 7 weeks in PA. He was able to close a 30+ point gap to 9.4 points. Those people can say they heard a lot from Obama in November.

Obama didn't have 6 or 7 weeks to demonstrate his appeal in WV. He needs time in OH, time in MI, time in MI to convince people he is ok non white guy. Where there are explicit bigots, he has no chance...but for those who are not explicit bigots, he just might change their minds.

81% of WV Clinton voters said race mattered in their decision.
51% said that Obama's views were the same as Rev. Wright.


He has something to work with on the 51%. I don't know if he can change 81% of WV Clinton voters' opinion on race in 1 week. It also might be a stretch for 6 months. He has that much time to convince them though.

God bless her soul...Hillary hasn't changed voters' negative opinion on her in the last 15 months. She has no credibility on the Tusla story and she has no viable reason for that misstatement/misunderstanding/clusterf...she gave the American people. If she has 6 months, would she be able to turn the country's opinion of her around.

She was in the Senate for 8 years, have the RW Republicans become true voting fans yet?

[Petrushka]

134. "81%", huh? Is that a fact? Link, please. Thank you! (eom)

[Barb in Atl]

147. Talking heads said 21% last night, iirc (nt)

[Petrushka]

171. 21% or 81% --- Hm-m? I guess that's not really TOO much of a difference. LOL (eom)

[ekwhite]

159. Geez, and I wasted all that good snark for nothing

That was sarcasm.

[T4RSR5]

164. Scary thing is, this is kind of true

Florida and Ohio, last elections swing states, will be firmly Red. W Virginia Will be as well. Now, with Obama as the Candidate, New mexico is clearly red, maybe even Penn. Washington, and oregon are almost certainly going for McCain, and even California might be in play! Remember, huge latino vote in Cali (latino's for the most part do NOT like Obama, California only recently became a blue state after the repubs pissed off the latinos, they can and might swing it again this time) as well as a large amount of veterans who might support McCain. Any one of those states turns from Blue to Red, and we are screwed. Hillary pisses me off, but looking at the climate out there, I have a feeling that Obama has just been selected as the 2nd coming of McGovern. I hope I'm wrong, but the math just does not add up.

One thing is for certain, Obama is not going to swing a red state back to blue. He is only defending what we already won, while still losing the general. Put 4-5 or more blue states up for grabs, and I say we royally screwed up the best chance we have had in decades.

I can get behind Obama, personally. I just don't think he can pull it off. Call me a sour-puss, or what you will.

-Chris

[mod mom]

9. Thanks Bernie!

[DemVet]

11. Obama won't have a prayer in hell of...

...taking most of those "landslide" states in the GE.

[berni_mccoy]

15. fail

[baldguy]

18. He may not win TX & FL in the general, but sure as shit he'll get NY, CA, MI, MA, CT & NJ.

[bigscott]

83. dont bet on CT

with the assholes in my state that voted against Lamont and with LIEberman campaigning with McDouchebag added to the bigotry that exists there, don't put CT in the solid BOH camp just yet

[BlueCaliDem]

90. Yet somehow I feel, after buyer's remorse with LIEberman, CT will go Obama in the GE. eom

[TBF]

86. He won't get TX, but neither would Hill - TX is too conservative - will go to McCain

But there are plenty of other states to pick up the slack. Including CA, NY, Illinois and possibly Florida.

[Baby Snooks]

95. You mean too rabid...

Texas Republicans are not conservative. They are rabid. They have hijacked the state legislature and most of the state "oversight" committees, taken control of the appellate courts which now rule on the basis of agenda rather than law, and even some Republicans no longer trust the Republicans they elected but in the end will probably wave their flags in November and vote a straight Republican ticket. Even though some will hold their noses while they do so.

Texas has to be the most corrupt state in the nation. And the Republican Party of Texas seems quite proud of it. The only way a Democratic candidate for national office can win state-wide in Texas is if all the Republicans forget to vote early and then come down with the flu on election day. Although some of them would call an ambulance and pull a gun and demand the ambulance driver make a pit stop so they could vote.

[TBF]

113. And that's just the republicans... on the other side of the aisle are the libertarians.

And they all carry weapons.

[eagertolearn]

96. Add Oregon to that list that he will win!

[CaptJasHook]

23. Fail

He doesn't need a landslide, he just needs to win. And I bet he does have a landslide in some of those states.

[natrat]

68. actually he needs a good win to combat the evote fraud

[CaptJasHook]

77. Too true, too damn true, nt

[eagertolearn]

98. I Agree! n/t

[bowens43]

34. Bzzzzt! Wrong.

[DWilliamsamh]

61. Neither would Hillary... i bet she'd have LESS considering

She lost so badly there in the Dem process.... and Obama will take the "states we have to win." the difference is the swing voters and the swing states prefer Obama - that's why he's won so many stets and out polled her in the popular vote as well. Hillary has lost. get used to President Obama.

[The Wielding Truth]

91. What? You really think anyone will support a Republican

after the wreck they have made of our country.:crazy: A flock of birds would do less harm.

Obama has enough of everything to repair a lot of the damage. :thumbsup:

[Chulanowa]

104. Absolutely

One of the core parts of being a "conservative" is denial of the prevailing realities of the universe if it means you would be wrong.

[VotesForWomen]

123. yep; this must be a lot of O-ists first elections.

[baldguy]

12. But all those small states don't count

Like Illinois, Virginia and Texas.

And you should include Clinton's wins in Michigan and Florida, and the primary in Mrs Schaffer's 3rd grade class where she got 56 gazoogllion delegates - even though they're not recognized by the DNC.

[MagickMuffin]

33. I'm going to work as hard as hell here in Texas to GOTV

as well as a lot of other people.

I'm a PROUD OBAMA DELEGATE to the Texas State Convention in June. There is still a ground campaign here. I will be attending a meeting later on tonight to discuss some of those plans.

[baldguy]

35. I'll look forward to seeing Texas colored a beautiful azure on Nov 4.

[MagickMuffin]

37. Team Obama will try to make that HAPPEN

It's about time Texas gets back to it's TRUE COLOR. The repubicons have made our state a laughing stock, not to mention the hostility heaped upon us by the likes of Bush, Cheney, DeLay, Gonzales, Cronyn, Perry and the rest of the thugs.

Send us as much good vibes you can muster.

[shagsak]

88. As much as that sounds good

I have my doubts TX will turn colors for the GE. It may be close but we're talking about alot of old school long time shit kickers that stay true to the roots. I would go so far as to say that the majority of 32% who approve of GW are "Lone Star Staters".

[How to be positive]

165. ATTENTION TEXANS! THOSE WHO LOVE THE MAVERCIKS (NBA)

Avery Johnson, beloved ex-coach of the Dallas Mavericks is back! on TNT hosting the NBA quarter semi finals with Kenny Smith and Charles Barkley. AVERY has risen, he has risen indeed!!!
Those of us who know that AVERY was fired by Mark Cuban for not getting a championship within a 2 year period.
Walllllll excuuuuse me! AVERY was designated coach of the year in 2006. "Most" Dallas people know and love Avery and were saddend by his departure.

But he's B-A-C-K.
Now back to your usual posts. :-)

[C_U_L8R]

14. Purple Power !

tasty as a fine wine

[quantass]

22. ..

[City Lights]

16. Ah, something even the math impaired can understand!

Thanks!

Recommended.

[greguganus]

21. Now they will claim they're colorblind too. n/t

[City Lights]

41. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[liberaldem4ever]

17. Another kick & rec for truth

That really puts things in perspective. Thanks for posting it. :hi:

[Scurrilous]

19. K & R

:thumbsup:

[Onlooker]

20. Caucuses are not a good measure of victory

I support Obama and support caucuses, but in all honesty if you're wondering how the majority feel, you have to have well funded primary elections. The more people who vote the more meaningful the result. Caucuses attract young people and political activists, which is great for change, but it doesn't tell us anything. For instance, I just read today that Obama won the non-binding Nebraska state primary by 2%, but he won the caucuses there by better than 2-1, and I guarantee to you that neither he (nor any other Democrat) can win Nebraska in the GE.

In other words, the map is a good political tool, but it's objectively meaningless. It tells us very little.

[berni_mccoy]

24. It tells us how desperate Clinton's chances are for getting the nomination

And as far as the general election goes, Obama's team will run just as competent a campaign there as they ran for the Democratic primary. Clinton would run just as miserable a campaign. Most of the Clinton supporters voting in the primary will vote Democratic in the general election, but they need someone who can run a respectable strategic campaign against McCain. Obama has proven he can do that. Clinton has failed.

[Onlooker]

30. I agree

I'm not a huge fan of Obama (who I think has pandered to the center this whole campaign), but support him because he's run a very good campaign and has been amazingly consistent in his message. Bush is proof that campaigns win elections, not necessarily candidates, and on that measure alone, Obama wins over Clinton hands down.

[ProSense]

25. Obama won 16 primaries, Hillary won 16 states. n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

74. two words for you: "North Carolina". 2,118,264 ballots cast in primary

2008 Primary Election Registered Voters: 5,811,778
Ballots Cast: 2,118,264
Voter Turnout: 36.45 %
Counties Partially Reported: 0 of 100
Counties Completely Reported: 100 of 100

Barack Obama (DEM) 56.08% 883,508
Hillary Clinton (DEM) 41.66% 656,284

http://results.enr.clarityelections.com/NC/1875/4158/en/summary.html

[underpants]

26. WV, IN, OK, Tenn. ARK are OUT in the GE no chance of any Dem winning them

More on WV specifically here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5963341&mesg_id=5963341

[berni_mccoy]

29. Strong red states won by Clinton in the primary. She said it herself: If she was running as a Repub

she would have already won

[MessiahRp]

52. Whoah... do you have a citation for that quote?

It wouldn't surprise me that she said that but I'd love to see where she said it.

Her campaign is a sick pathetic joke and the longer it goes on the more racist and ridiculous it becomes. Before this primary it was pretty much set in stone that if Obama was our candidate the racists would all be coming from the Republican side of the electorate. Now thanks to the Clintons, she's got a lot of Democrats openly using those same RW xenophobic terms as excuses not to vote for him. West Virginia was the worst of the worst. Hillary supporters openly going on newscasts and declaring they won't vote for a black man. It was sick.

Rp

[casus belli]

78. They were paraphrasing, but here's a link...

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Vote2008/story?id=4763893&page=1

"At the end of the day, that's what it should be about for Democrats. You know, it is who can better win. And I've won the big states. I've won the states that we have to anchor. If we had the Republican rules, I would already be the nominee."

[H2O Man]

28. Senator Obama will

soon be known as President Obama.

[dbmk]

32. And remember:

California has just polled in favour of Obama. Haven't heard the opposite being the case somewhere.

[berni_mccoy]

38. Good point. There are many undiscussed trends in Obama's favor

This is why he is much stronger and the race is much more of a landslide than it appears. Personally, I think it's good that it appears this way as it gives McCain a chance to underestimate Obama.

[futureliveshere]

So did NJ. Obama is very strong in NJ now.

[Clear Blue Sky]

36. Nice analysis. Too bad the MSM doesn't want to talk about this.

[Window]

39. K/R.

:kick:

[NJSecularist]

40. There are no caucuses in the general election. n/t

[Name removed]

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[dchill]

138. So? Neither is there a popular vote.

:shrug:

[NJSecularist]

161. There is no popular vote in the GE?

What are you talking about?

[dchill]

168. Get someone to fill you in...

on the Electoral College, and what the "metric" is for electing a President. I won't take the time.

[gristy]

42. Fortunately, this is not how we choose our democratic candidate

Not all landslides are equal - each state victory needs to be weighted by population in each state. Your numbers are fairly meaningless, and the state map is misleading. Now, if you were able to make a similar map where the area of each state is proportional to its population, then you would have something.

Kind of like this, but with the states appropriately colored:

[berni_mccoy]

44. Actually, it's PRECISELY how Democratic Candidates are chosen: BY DELEGATES.

The map is Delegate wins.

[gristy]

45. But neither your map nor your numbers give any information about delegates.

You are correct - the Democratic Candidate is chosen by delegates. Not number of contests won. Not number of contests won by a landslide.

[bhal123]

48. You're math is funny.

Actually, that is exactly how the delegate count gets decided. The candidate that wins more states and wins their states by larger margins will be the candidate with more delegates.

[gristy]

51. Nope

X The candidate that wins more states and wins their states by larger margins will be the candidate with more delegates.

By this logic the following hypothetical case would be true: If candidate A won the smallest 28 states and won each of them by a 10 point margin, and candidate B won each of the other states by a 1 point margin, then candidate A would have more delegates.

But in reality this would certainly not be the case.

[Usrename]

60. Actually it is the case. You should read the rules.

If one candidate won 45 states by a one vote margin and the other candidate won the remaining 5 states by over 85% margin, the second candidate would win more delegates. You have to clear at least 15% of the vote to even qualify for any delegates. A small win and you split the delegates equally.

See the rules for clarification. The landslide victories are the MOST important factor.

Obama netted more delegates from Illinois (55) than Clinton did for winning New York (46) or California (38) because he won his home state by a much larger margin than she won the largest states.

That's one of the reasons he won. Just like the OP says.

[berni_mccoy]

49. Actually, it does exactly that. The Wins are by Delegate margins, not popular vote.

[gristy]

55. You map and numbers convey delegate margins, but only as % of state delegates

That measure is not used in the determination of the nominee.

[berni_mccoy]

57. Please... your desperation is showing. The map is not mine. It comes from wiki.

Wiki shows the strength of win by delegates and popular vote. You can go see for yourself.

[gristy]

58. The misleading nature of the map when used to show the strength of Obama is now the responsiblity

of wiki? You wash your hands of this debate at this point? That's fine with me. I have to go to work.

Later.

[casus belli]

79. Grasping at straws

Why would a US map, which summarizes the progress of the candidates at the state level, use any other method of determining who won that particular state. There is nothing misleading about the map. You just don't like the message.

[PBS Poll-435]

43. Kentucky, Make Us Proud!

Give Hillary Clinton wins from coast-to-coast!

[helderheid]

47. Utah looks goooood!

[Pawel K]

50. You forgot that none of those purple states actually matter

the only states that matter are the ones Hillary wins.

[butterfly77]

53. Brillance!

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[Politicalboi]

54. But wait

"This parrot is not dead"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/13/AR2008051302862.html

[jsamuel]

56. notice that whoever wins KY gets bragging rights for a cost to cost win

[berni_mccoy]

59. HA! Great spot jsamuel. Sadly, I don't think it will be Obama that get's that brag.

[nxylas]

97. I noticed that too

Assuming Clinton wins Kentucky and Obama wins Montana, Oregon and South Dakota, we'll be able to coin a new geographical term, "the Clinton Belt".

[kid a]

62. thanks for the texas truth!

[Lady-Damai]

63. THE TRUTH LOOKS SO GOOD!!!!!!!

:party:

[rch35]

64. Purple for the black man, I see.

Just like Mace Windu.

[NatBurner]

85. lol

my geekiness is on blast today

[rch35]

167. lol, im glad one person got it, nt

[Cha]

65. Of course Obama is the strongest

candidate who will be our next President of the USA!

[democracy1st]

66. K & R

[natrat]

67. and in california you can reverse that clinton win

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

69. nice map, thanks and recommended. n/t

[Zachstar]

71. Bingo!

[stillcool]

72. well...that map is divorced from reality.

that map does not show the blue collar uneducated white voters that won't vote for Senator Obama, and those voters are the only one's that 'matter'.

[AzDar]

73. K & R...

:kick:

[OneSelf]

75. K&R

That's awesome!

[RiverStone]

80. great map - thanks for putting it together!

[Bright Eyes]

81. Those purple states don't count

:P

[David Zephyr]

82. Thanks, berni_mccoy for the terrific map and stats. K&R.

:)

[AtomicKitten]

84. Absolutely breathtaking! Go get 'em, Barack.

thanks for posting :D

[TBF]

87. This awesome map should be emailed to all SD's - I like it much better than Hillary's whiny emails

[MethuenProgressive]

92. Pretty cartoon map. But Clinton still leads in votes cast.

Votes matter to most Democrats.

[berni_mccoy]

94. Not counting legally valid and binding caucuses I see... desperate.

Oh, and by the way, Political parties are *not* democracies. Oh, and the U.S. is not a democracy either.

Even with MI & FL, Obama is winning by 80,751 votes (according to Real Clear Politics: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html ).

But vote-count is moot since it's based on Delegates.

[wowimthere]

107. You're using the same funny math that Bush uses from time to time

Anyone knows tha by time all of the states are counted even if you count MI and FL, Obama will win in every statistical category.

[dchill]

139. Why would you still be trying to sell that crap here?

Specious arguments only work with Republicans. And die-hard Hillary cultists.

[Stop Cornyn]

93. So are all those states filed with African Americans or shiftless people because hard working whites

all support Hillary?

[Perry Mason]

99. ...and the song will remain the same...

Yes, Barrack Obama is undeniably the stronger candidate.

Too bad our traditional liberal values that we hold dear will remain un-addressed by this or any other nationally fielded Democratic candidate. The war will continue in Iraq, while those responsible for 9/11 will remain free and unidentified. National health care will continue to be denied to the American people by their elected "representatives" who will continue to accept millions in legalized bribes from health industry lobbyists while enjoying free socialized medicine at the taxpayer's expense. The Diebold machines will remain in place and thus the integrity of this and future elections will be doubtful at best. The "news" media will remain in the sole ownership of a small handful of rich white corporatist men who will continue to disseminate propaganda and call it news; making possible the fact that our federal government will remain in the control of rich corporate fascists and the American people will remain powerless and unrepresented.

Obama is the stronger candidate. So what? Has he any intentions of resolving these dire maladies? Not so far as I have heard.

[Not Sure]

148. My God. This is the most intelligent argument I've read on this site in months

There is nothing I could add, except to say this is why I'll be voting for the Democratic nominee instead of my candidate of choice (who dropped out already).

[Sunnyshine]

163. If only we could snap our fingers to solve these issues.

The problem is certainly corruption. On both (D)sides(R) of the fence. Its been that way for decades, but coalesced on the other side(R) for the last 10 years. This is going to take a lot of undoing by our side(D), while currently being obstructed by the ill-chosen officials on the other side(R)- who remain inept in their ability to serve the public. Some of these(D)are borderline.
Everyone may end up as one of these(I), when it is all said and done. :shrug:

We must look for a higher ground, and begin electing American patriots(US). We become the leaders we want. Yep. Hold ourselves accountable and pry our constitution from the cold grip of the frauds. The new old fashioned way makes its own path to victory.

Of course Barack has good intentions of solving these issues, yet he can't do it alone. He is facing decades of garbage government being replaced by an invasion of corporate cartels. The job of Presidency is supposed to be one of honor, but we've come to expect it to be nothing but a joke. Obama wants to hold those bad jokers accountable, and WE will when he is in office.

Our style of governing requires us constituents, to join in the fight to take back and keep what rightfully belongs to the public at large. We must show up and demand answers. We know what is happening and we know how to solve the problems the fair and just way. Action is the answer.

We have to get involved, change our own ways, reach out, clean out, take the fight to the House, hold hearings for these warmongering oligarchs and mega media giants. Invest in the change we want. Buy available media outlets and compete with the traditional press. We become the new FREE PRESS. Certainly doing these things is better than what we have always done.

Obama wants to hold publicly televised meetings. He wants to go directly to the source of our troubles, and offer them the choice to abide by lawful and fair practices. He will work with good business to offer them new ways to invest in our own domestic opportunities. He questions power and authority, for the sake of establishing truth.

Those are some of his idea's on how we find answers and solve major issues. Obama is the strongest step available, to move in the direction of progress. All of these things will not be solved by 1 person alone. If we keep up the fight and never give up, we will get there. I HOPE 08! Our children are counting on it. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

[Perry Mason]

170. Rather illustrates my point

A lot of words but no answers, certainly nothing to indicate how Obama is anything other than another big corporate money candidate.

His health care plans SUCKS, and he is not even addressing my other major concerns.

I appreciate your sentiments about America, but I fear you will someday be as disappointed as am I if you are thinking Obama is the one who can change any of this.

[Sunnyshine]

172. You can't talk about these things in sound bites.

A lot of words are up there because the answers are not cataloged or footnoted.
I did give you Obama's plans for trying to clean up our country:

Investing in Green jobs, Domestic infrastructure, hold current WH accountable w/ investigations, make American businesses responsible Community partners, offer others new Domestic opportunities, Environmental upgrades to our laws, End the war in Iraq, restoring our military and our reputation, G.I. Bills for our soldiers, hold televised health care forums and pass a bill that includes Reforms and Mandates for the INSURERS, those are many of the things he wants to pursuit. Health care is a monster, UH is going to take a revolution by the people. It should not be pegged as a simple issue.

That's the most progress ever targeted by a candidate than the last 5 presidents combined!
No other candidate is willing to investigate the current administration, but Sen. Obama will.
Head and shoulders, above the rest. IMHO.

No corrective measures can come down the pipe from 1 POTUS. We have 2 other branches that have to be operable. Right now, they are not. It just doesn't happen with the word of the CIC, and I'm glad for that.That is what we've had for the last 3 or 4 decades. Certainly, Obama is the opposite of McSame.

I'm just as frustrated about things as anyone else. The one thing I do know is that Baracks campaign is being funded by US people. 90% of his funds come from his grassroots supporters. THAT is unheard of, and something no one else can claim that ran for POTUS in the last 4 decades. He is not beholden to lobbyist or PACS, he is tied directly to us and he wants to honor the hard work we invest in him. He has a genuine need to restore our domestic tranquility, as OUR children deserve no less than this. I think Sen. Obama has more integrity in his intentions than a great many of office holders.

He is not going to do everything I want, the way I want it, but he is above the latest average for candidates and most certainly the best option we have available to us. If Barack screws up, we will hold him accountable too. It was nice talking with you Perry Mason. I tried. Have a Good Day!:hi:

[Sunnyshine]

173. Add to above: FUNDING Real Education Initiatives and Reform

Teachers are eager to support his plans. I know, as I am married to one and have 3 others in family.
He actually wants to raise teacher salaries, for early education funding, and college credits en mass.
Invest/create jobs by building new schools and updating facilities. That's just a start. http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education

I think I covered many of the issues, but I know we are up against corrupt authority fighting changes.
We have to try and we can't give up simply because it seems impossible. I have kids, so I can't.
The next President should not be a Republican. Or else all of this, is utterly worthless.

Democratic party needs all kinds of scrubbing as well, and that is what I hope we are on the verge of doing. The two party system has prohibited necessary change for Americans. Patriots are what we need to enlist in taking the People's Party all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and beyond. We can and we must- reclaim one of the parties for the sake of having a clear option when comparing them. As is.

If these efforts don't pan out, we all should go declare our Independence. Together. Wave them out.
When that option is viable, I'll be there. For now, I have to make due with what we have currently.
Sucks, but it's true. Okay, end rant. :rant:

[kentj44]

101. this is a great job but

i don't see how he gets elected w/o clinton on the ticket.she may not want it but it wouldn't hurt him to offer it.

[wowimthere]

106. You know why she shouldn't be on the ticket? McSame. Her war vote. Philosophically they are

different on key issues.

She voted for that bad bankruptcy bill.
He didn't.

She voted for the Kyle/Liberman amendment.
He didn't.

She race baits.
He doesn't.

[happygoluckytoyou]

102. HILLARY STILL AHEAD IN THE SOUTHERN JEWISH DWARF WITH A LISP DEMOGRAPHICS

CALIFORNIA IS ONLY WAITING TO FLIP TO OBAMA.... WE ARE TOOOOO LIBERAL TO LET THIS GO BY....

SEVERAL STATES WHERE EDWARDS WAS.... EDWARDS MUCH CLOSER TO OBAMA

VOTERS FOR RICHARDSON.... EASILY CLOSER TO OBAMA

.............. NO NEED FOR A REPUB-LITE WHEN WE CAN PUT A DEM IN THE WHITE HOUSE !!!


GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA GOBAMA

AND REMEMBER THE FULL NAME OF THE ENEMY....
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE
JOHN "THE REPUBLICAN" MCCAIN..... HIS HANDLERS HATE TO SEE HIS NAME AND PARTY ON THE SAME LINE

[Cieran]

103. The Elected Obama is the most Electable. n/t

[krispos42]

105. Oh, sure, I've been posting this picture for two weeks now..

did I get 99 recs?

Nooo....



grumble grumble grumble


:-)


K&R

[berni_mccoy]

110. LOL! It's all in the timing my friend.

[jcg996]

108. I have a map for you.

From

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May14.html

Obama 237 McCain 290



This is not good.

[berni_mccoy]

111. It's meaningless until Hillary drops out and stops dividing the party.

[jcg996]

112. I hope you're right. n/t

[satireV]

125. Sorry I sort of duped you. :(

[progressive_realist]

153. Actually, that map looks really good

Considering all those pink-bordered states represent a very small polling lead by McCain, and that Obama just started campaigning for the GE this week, that map is a hair's-breadth from an Obama 373 McCain 154 blowout.

[Why Syzygy]

109. Hillary has West Virginia and Arkansas in her pocket. lol Just what she needs.

[2rth2pwr]

114. How many caucuses are in the GE?

[berni_mccoy]

116. Why didn't Clinton plan accordingly for Caucuses. That's why she lost.

Obama's campaign will handle the General Election just as expertly as they handled the Primary. Obama will hand McCain his hat just like he did to Clinton.

[aquarius dawning]

115. Oh look, Obama will win landslide victories throughout the South. That's just fucking... audacious.

[LuckyLib]

117. But, but, but . . . . our MSM is asking us "Can HRC do it? Can she take it away from Obama?"

What the hell are these folks smoking? Er . . . selling is more like it. Infotainment. American Idol on the political stage.

[gulfcoastliberal]

118. K&R nt

[Cant trust em]

119. That picture is worth a lot more than 1000

I've probably read about a million on it. Give or take a few dozen.

[VotesForWomen]

122. another clueless naive Obamite who thinks the GE is the same as a dem primary. america is really fuc

fucked if obama and his supporters are the 'smart' ones.

[berni_mccoy]

127. Project primary results into the general election is Hillary's tactic, not mine. I'm sorry you're

too stupid to see that this is a comparison of strength between Hillary and Obama not Obama and McCain.

[VotesForWomen]

156. yes, but she winning the states that actually have a chance in heck of going blue in nov. DUH!

[satireV]

124. It's a marriage not a wedding

The more important map is electoral college counts.


May 14 Electoral Votes: Obama 237 McCain 290 Ties 11


And this is WORSE than a week ago for Obama.

Clinton on the other hand wins outright
May 14 Electoral Votes: Clinton 280 McCain 241 Ties 17


so in a GE Clinton is a stronger candidate whereas in a primary Obama is.

Which is more important to YOU?

[Not Sure]

152. Instead of that question, which we can't answer without a nominee

"so in a GE Clinton is a stronger candidate whereas in a primary Obama is.

Which is more important to YOU?"

For my money, I want to know who will fuck this country up less.

McCain? That's a good one. He'd be a pretty ineffective president, but the panel of Republican douchebags he'd assemble behind him wouldn't be ineffective. The looting would continue right on schedule.

Clinton? This country's already been sold to Walmart, Exxon and ClearChannel, with her and her husband's help and the rhetoric she's spouting off right now, sorry, but no. I see more Bush style looting, only less obvious. I'll hold my nose and vote for her if she's the nominee, but nothing will change. Nothing.

Obama? His track record isn't fraught with the potholes and pitfalls Clinton's is, his message is positive, uplifting, uniting and his campaign has been above board. I think he's too conservative -- they all are for me -- but I find him to be less destructive to the nation I live and work in than Clinton, and certainly more than McCain.

[Number23]

126. Thank you, berni

That image sums up the entire situation very nicely. 31-3-15.... had no idea it was that THOROUGH...

[pnwmom]

128. Maybe you should look at a picture of the high electoral vote states

that the two candidates have won.

The problem with the way the primaries have been run is that the general election is winner take all -- and HRC tends to do better in blue states, Obama in red. It won't matter that Obama does better than HRC in Texas when the Rethug ends up with ALL the Texas electoral votes.

[berni_mccoy]

129. You don't even know what you are saying do you? You didn't even look at the map

or think before you typed, did you?

[pnwmom]

136. No insults, please. Just explain to me how I'm wrong about Texas.

How does it help a Democratic candidate to be ahead in a state that is almost guaranteed to be in the Republican column in the general election?

[FatDave]

132. I hate to seem stupid, but I'll type this anyway...

What is AS? VI = Virgin Islands, GU = Guam, but what was AS? I know once somebody tells me I'll tell myself "duh!"

[KnaveRupe]

137. American Samoa

Let the "duh!"-ing commence!

;)

[FatDave]

149. Oh, of course.

I guess Hillary got the Antoine "Tony Rocky Horror" Roccamora vote.

[ExPatLeftist]

140. American Samoa :) n/t

[TheDonkey]

133. ~~K~~ and ~~R~~

!!!!

[LaStrega]

135. k to teh r n/t

[demwing]

141. Don't Forget Bob Barr

He will play Perot to Obama's Clinton.

McCain is a dead duck walking...

[TragedyandHope]

142. Thanks for the great informative post!

Click to Donate Now!

[berni_mccoy]

144. AWESOME Emoticons! I'm STEALING them!

[TragedyandHope]

145. I'm glad you like them! Please STEAL and SHARE and ENJOY!

[Blondiegrrl]

143. Purple is my favorite color. :-) n/t

[shellgame26]

146. But you haven't taken into account that

Clinton is operating in a parallel universe.

[panAmerican]

151. Perfect! I have saved this image so I can share with other people

[progressive_realist]

155. Anyone else notice that Clinton's states form a green crescent?

Now who's the stealth muslim candidate?

:tinfoilhat:


:hide:

[Khaotic]

160. A Song Comes to Mind When I Look at the OP's Graphic ...

Purple rain across America baby!

GOBAMA!!!

[aquarius dawning]

162. I thought maybe you were going to say "stone cold crazy" by Queen.

[nvme]

166. I think what is not mentioned, but is important

Howard Deans 50 state strategy. We have seen some of the progress in heavy Repub district in the last few months. Dems have given them a run for their money. Now consider that we are in a much more internet savy country the traditional red blue states are going to blur. What were once solid red are now lookin purple so IMO Barack should do very well even if he suffers a loss of a big state(unlikely). If dems start to get comfortable that our next president is Male then we will landside this one. It is going to take the efforts of Hillary Clinton to do so.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

174. This needs to be spread far and wide - help kick it up

considering there are attempts to revive the zombie dead Clinton campaign,
the math needs to be brought to the forefront.

[Carrieyazel]

176. Hillary won the vote in the Nevada caucus and Texas primary.

So doesn't that make 18 victories for her?

[ruby slippers]

177. looking at the purple in the south I think that Florida may have

gone a shade had Obama been here to campaign and they had more time to get to know him. I am sure he will get a lot of votes here now.....except in NE Florida where it is military....

[Carrieyazel]

178. Florida is a longshot. He's well behind in the polls.