Andrea Mitchell says Hillary is not well liked in the Senate anymore

[dkf]

and therefore doesn't have much of a chance to be a power there, much less be Majority Leader.

Apparently, she got a bit of the cold shoulder when she went back for the latest vote.

That is why they are saying she might want to angle for the VP post.

On the other hand, there is outright hostility between the Obama and Clinton camps. That screams dysfunctional campaign and a big no go to me.

I have no idea why anyone thinks she is the best person to get lower income, less educated white voters. Seems a white guy, maybe ex-military, would do better with that block.

[ShortnFiery]

1. Good! She's earned it. :( eom

[mac2]

5. Andrea Mitchell?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Mitchell

Greenspans wife and media whore? I wouldn't believe anything this woman says.

[dkf]

15. MSNBC assigned her to Hillary's campaign.

So she has seen everything up close and personal.

[TheDebbieDee]

35. So she has seen everything up close and personal.

Yes, she has, but is she telling us the TRUTH?

You know we can't count on the media to tell us the truth anymore.

[mac2]

52. The "truth" as you would like to see it eh?

Mrs. Greenspan is a RW media whore and traitor. Don't give her a bit of respect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Mitchell

[hokies4ever]

94. Andrea Mitchell is normally very pro-Hillary

I think she looked like she had been crying after the IN/NC primaries. You can tell that she likes Hillary a lot and has a lot emotionally invested into her campaign. But she does try to be a fair journalist and will call things like she sees it. Her interviewing skills suck though. The best way to describe her interviews is she comes in with a list of questions and asks them in order. She'll even ask a question that was answered in an earlier question. It's as if she isn't paying attention during the interview.

It's really not hard to imagine why Hillary is getting the cold shoulder in the Senate. Last week she was treated like an outcast because it was obvious that she was down for the count after the NC/IN primaries. Also, I doubt that they enjoyed her gas tax pandering which culminated in a "you're either with us or against us" moment.

[TheDebbieDee]

106. You're talking about a woman, Andrea Mitchell, who was

deliriously happen in New Hampshire when it appeared that Sen. Hillary Clinton was about to lose her second straight primary. She made no effort to hide how much she resents and dislikes Sen. Clinton til Tweety got called out for saying/spitting out that he hated the Clintons.

[hokies4ever]

108. Maybe she was rooting for the underdog then?

I didn't watch her after the NH Primary. Though she might have taken issue with the controversial crying for votes. If you've watched MSNBC at all over the past month or so, it's pretty clear that she has grown fond of Hillary. Probably from spending so much time with Hillary's campaign and seeing the emotional roller-coaster ride. The NH Primary was very early, so she was probably just getting settled in then.

[Cha]

143. Unlike candy crowley who was with the bush campaign and

spinning her big head off for w everytime cnn put her up there.

[Dinger]

113. That's Like Assigning The Fox To Guard The Henhouse

Not a good idea. andrew hate Hillary.

[ShortnFiery]

20. With respect, do try to stay on topic. We're talking about HRC's egomaniac "Scorched Earth" Primary

Campaign. :nuke:

[Arkansas Granny]

31. With respect, the topic seems to be Andrea Mitchell's opinion.

Knowing who Andrea Mitchell is relevant to the topic.

[SwampG8r]

45. that would depend

on what your definition of "is" is

[ShortnFiery]

46. Yeah, we know the drill ... if they aren't FOX news, Terry Mc, or Lanny Davis, then they're biased.

:eyes:

[Cha]

144. Yeah, andrea mitchell whose husband is alan greenspan..

who hilary was going to give job to and even paul krugman(hilary pumper)said was a "DUMB" idea.

OK, this is pretty dumb. Hillary Clinton wants a high-level commission to analyze ways to resolve the mortgage crisis — including Alan Greenspan.
Yes, I know people still listen when Greenspan speaks — and John McCain once joked about taking Greenspan’s advice even if he’s dead. But for those in the know, AG is a key villain in the whole affair.
I mean, why not

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/all-stars/

[MonkeyFunk]

70. "egomaniac (sic) scorched earth capaign"

That a perfect description for what you've been doing.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

86. Hillary will drag us to the convention, Dems never win if that happens

but so, its all about her. She's a woman. People should support her
just because of that.

[The Backlash Cometh]

39. Really. Why are we giving AM any credibility?

[Lilith Velkor]

136. Some want it to be true.

[zabet]

41. Exactly.

Andrea's extreme dislike for Clinton has been quite obvious for a long while. She is an Obama shill.

[ShortnFiery]

49. "Andrea's extreme dislike for Clinton ..." She's FAR from "alone" in that regard. At some point,

even die hard HRC supporters need to REFLECT and truly analyze *WHY?*

Much of the Clintons' negative reputation is a result of being SELF-AFFLICTED.

They'll do and say any damn thing to scare-up a few more votes. :puke:

[zabet]

103. Project much about self affliction?

STELLA!!!!!!!!!!!!blue

[ampad]

112. All this

"why believe Andrea Mitchell" coming from the hill fans tells you that it is most likely true. Anyone with an ounce of common sense could probably figure out for themselves that this is true. What cracks me up is I don't see so many of the naysayers in the Fox News threads and the right wing "source" threads. :eyes:

I would not doubt that this is true as so many of them have been calling for this thing to be over with by now. Good dems are not going to take kindly to Hillary playing the race card to win this thing. Also if you put two and two together who is getting most of the supers on the Hill? Who is having supers deflect from their side? It really isn't rocket science to figure out that some are rightfully pissed at her.

[sfaprog]

117. I like how "whore" is suddenly acceptable and not sexist

:eyes:

[Melinda]

133. Not "whore" but a reference to "mediawhores" aka mediawhoresonline.com..

who, it was thought, were former members of the Clinton camp, ie; many of us on DU thought it was Carville's or Begala's baby... the site primarily excoriated those members of the media who had gone after the Clintons in the 90's. The admins kept their identity on the down-low, and never revealed who they were, even when they closed the site.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Whores_Online
Media Whores Online, also known as mediawhoresonline.com or The Horse or often just MWO, was a left-wing American political webzine that operated as a media watchdog. The site operated from 2000 until early 2004, and quickly established a reputation for quotability. By 2002 James Carville and Paul Begala would frequently cite MWO on CNN's Crossfire.<1> <2> The founder, known pseudonymously as Jennifer Kelly or JennyQ, has never been publicly identified.

The activities of JennyQ apparently began on the Salon.com Table Talk forums. That same year, MWO was noted for having created a Chris Matthews drinking game.<3>

MWO published sometimes-daily blog-like updates of news stories. Its best-known feature was the "Whore of the Week" item, which skewered a generally high-profile media figure for favorable coverage of Republicans or uncritical acceptance of right-wing talking points. A converse feature was a standing "Media in Exile" list of reporters and others that MWO deemed to "uphold the standards of journalism." Corresponding with Eric Alterman, MWO called its strategy "mimic the tactics of the wingnuts," calling it an "easy" standard to uphold.<4> Fans considered its writing very funny, full of "wit and sarcasm."<5>

In 2001, liberal blogger Duncan Black published two early pieces on MWO under his pseudonym Atrios.

Here's a look at the old site via web archive:

Welcome to Media Whores Online.
We are an online magazine that takes an in-depth look at the astonishingly vast and growing myriad of whores who call themselves "journalists". MWO casts a critical spotlight on the relentless screaming heads of television, the babbling paranoids of squawk radio, and the crayon scribblings of lazy print media "columnists".

http://web.archive.org/web/20001204205600/http://www.mediawhoresonline.com/

And so, as I hope you can see, the plural term "media whore", and not the singular form of "whore", is an infamous blogosphere term used to describe any member of the 4th estate that has sold their soul, ie; lost their objectivity (which accounts for all corporate owned media, eh?).

No one is calling dear Andrea a "whore"

*edited to add the last quote.

[KittyWampus]

7. As a NY'er I am ambivalent. On one hand we don't want her clout damaged. On the other, it'd be nice

to get rid of her.

As a woman who has had to reevaluate her life decisions and acknowledged that dreams sometimes don't work out the way we plan, I think Hillary should consider serving out her term as Senator and the do something OUTSIDE elective politics.

[patrice]

2. She's not even a possibility in my state. If I had big money, I'd bet it.

Heck, I'd even consider going and borrowing big money and betting it if she's the nominee.

This is the truth: I even hear (from someone who knows a certain delegate VERY well) that at least one of her delegates regrets organizing for and being pledged to her.

[SoFlaJet]

3. no big surprise there dkf

let's face it and I've been thinking about this since last night for some reason-if the sides were reversed and Obama was trailing Hillary by a hundred and fifty delegates Bill and all his flunkies would be out there all day every day saying how he is hurting her chances in the GE and he would have been LONG GONE from this race. Everybody has had to walk on egg shells around her this whole primary season so as not to offend the Queen-I'm sick of her and I'm sick of IT-she's Tracy Flick

[dkf]

10. He would be helping her organize for the general.

And would have helped her get donations with his donor list and would be healing the divisions.

She's doing the party a huge disservice, and she is so out of it she can't even see it.

[patrice]

27. This is true. nt

[lapfog_1]

4. There was a point in time where Hillary could have had

either the leadership of the Senate OR the VP spot on the Obama ticket.

And it wasn't all that long ago either, maybe in February.

I blame the voters of New Hampshire for this debacle. If they had handed Obama a solid win after Iowa, to be followed by a win in South Carolina... I think Clinton would have been forced to concede even before Super Tuesday.

[KittyWampus]

12. her bargaining power is nil now, you absolutely correct.

[Window]

38. Hell, it wasn't all that long ago when she declared, "It will be over by Feb," either.

[Cha]

145. Yeah, poor hilary made so many mistakes.

[liberaldem4ever]

6. If she really believes that what she is doing

keeping this campaign going is the right thing to do, wonder what she thinks about losing support of her fellow Senators. Looks like that would be hard to spin in a positive way.

[havocmom]

34. She could dismiss their importance due to their DLC leanings

;) & :rofl:

[Renew Deal]

8. I just don't know how anyone is going to keep Bill, his penis, and his connections under control

Bill would be the Barry Bonds of the Obama locker room.

[mac2]

73. Go to the corner.

Keep it clean please.

[cali]

9. Was she ever well liked by her dem peers?

I'm not sure she was.

[greguganus]

13. I agree. I think they just tolerate her. n/t

[charlie]

25. The lady who yelled at Feingold

to "live in the real world"? Probably not.

[CoffeeCat]

32. She used her "inevitability"...as the future Queen...

...to leverage herself and maintain power and control over people.

Now that that's gone, she has nothing.

She probably can't return to the Senate and play the same games. She probably doesn't
have any clout there.

So, why in the hell would she make a good vp? She's ruined herself in the Senate, so therefore,
she's supposed to be the vp?

She's a pariah.

[beachmom]

125. Supposedly, she was. Maybe everyone was just being nice.

[City Lights]

11. Mrs. Greenspan: MOTO.

I've got news for Hillary...bullying her way onto the ticket will make her less popular with Senators than she is now.

[SoFlaJet]

19. she won't BE his VP selection

remember; Michelle said NO-and she's the boss

[SwampG8r]

48. yup

thats the way it works in my house too

[SoFlaJet]

116. anyone who has a successful marriage

KNOWS who the real boss of the house is...the woman...at least in THIS man's home

[burythehatchet]

14. I'll go with my gut and predict that she will not run for re-election.

Her only future in politics is as an agency head.

[dkf]

16. Who would have her as an agency head? Her budgeting is godawful.

[mac2]

74. Her budget is awful because Obama's is rich?

[Raineyb]

123. Obama's rich?

:wtf:

Did you pay attention when the tax returns were released?

Obama just started raking in the dough based on the sales of his book. The Clintons made 109 million dollars since leaving the White House.

Obama's been raising more money for his campaign by raising small amounts from many people. The average donation is 96 bucks. Clinton pissed hers away thinking she'd have the campaign wrapped up in February. I'd call that bad budgeting and worse planning.

Regards

[mac2]

156. His coffers for the campaign are very rich.

Small amounts from black church members, etc. Rich non-the-less. The Clinton's were in the White House. Obama has not been there yet. He's a junior Senator.

[Raineyb]

161. So was Clinton's

I'm not sure what it is you're trying to say. You're annoyed that someone pointed out that Clinton's budgetary skills may be considered lacking and you point out that Obama is rich. That's not true so now you refer to his campaign?

Okay, so he has more money now and he hasn't blown it all at one shot. He's raised money in a way that makes it possible for him to collect large sums without being beholden to special interest. I'm not sure why that's supposed to be a problem. That's what we need more of. It means that when our politicians are not beholden to large corporations and special interest they are accountable to we the people.

Clinton started out with all the advantages she can have. Her fatal flaw was her complete inability to run a decent campaign. Obama's money has nothing to do with that.

Regards

[graycem]

17. Harry Reid didn't

think it was a good idea that she should get his job. Too bad.

[Hepburn]

18. Was she ever well liked?

:shrug:

BTW: 5th rec!

[mac2]

158. Apparently never by you.

[CoffeeCat]

21. Obama has earned the right to pick...

...his vice president. I can't imagine picking Hillary.

After how she's run her campaign, how could he possibly select Hillary?

It's just not going to happen.

As far as Hillary getting the "lower income, less educated white voters", she's catering to them exclusively, much
in the same way that Bush targeted Evangelicals. Some lower income earners without much education are very
impressionable and vulnerable. They are so hungry for validation and for someone to pay attention to them
and make them feel important. Before Bush came along, the Evangelicals were on the sidelines. Bush made them
feel like the center of the universe. Bush's tactics and Hillary's tactics are very similar.

Also, I had heard before that the Senate would be clearly on Obama's side, and that the environment wouldn't
exactly be ideal for Hillary. It's obvious that she won't return to the Senate with the same power and leverage.
Most of her leverage came from the thought that she would be President. Now, she lacks that--and they way she
behaves in the political world, no doubt, has left her with few friends.

This is troubling--because as the campaign moves forward, she's more like a cornered animal. We're more likely
to see self-centered, irrational behavior.

She might want the veep slot, but that's too damn bad. She doesn't get to decide. Stalwarts in the Dem party-and
all of his supporters--will clearly back him on that decision. Just because Hillary wants the vp slot--because she's
burned bridged in the Senate--doesn't mean she's entitled to it.

Then again...when she thinks she's entitled to something, we all know that breeds a buffet of crazy making from
Clinton.

I can't wait until this nightmare is finished.

[bowens43]

22. She brought this about.

Her reprehensible conduct during this primary has pretty much ended her political ambitions.

[Clear Blue Sky]

23. So much for an Obama/Clinton ticket...

[still_one]

24. I don't care for Hillary, but anything that comes from andrea mitchell I wouldn't trust

she has conveyed misinformation more than once about Democrats

Ironically, I believe she was one of the reporters who kept quiet about Clinton's snipper Bosnia story, even though she knew it was untrue

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

107. Hillary loves Andrea Mitchell's husband, wants him on her "economic team"

so isn't that odd.

Why would Andrea unfairly pick on someone who wants to hire her
husband?

[mac2]

114. Or bribe her to?

I don't think the American people want Greenspan back. He lied and destroyed our economy by allowing Bush free reign over the tax structure, etc.

[still_one]

119. That is even more ironic, since greenspan helped lay the foundation for

the economic woes we are in now

Incidently, I was referring more to mitchels record as a shoddy jounalist in general

Like they say, even a broken clock is correct twice a day

[NJmaverick]

26. That's what happens when you burn your bridges

[blm]

131. Burned bridges, undermined Gore, sabotaged Kerry, demonized Dean, protected Bushes.

That's the Clinton legacy she took into this race and it is the BIGGEST reason why she is losing now. TeamClinton pulled their crap against another Dem OPENLY in this contest and more Dems are waking up to what lengths they hurt our party just to gain power - they are to the Dem party what Bushes are to the GOP.

[indimuse]

28. Andrea Mitchell and Donna Brazille are disgusting LIARS!

[goclark]

30. Andrea Mitchell always seems to say nice things about HC

Unless I'm missing something, whenever she is on Morning Joe she marches to the beat of his drum. :shrug:

[havocmom]

36. She looked to have been crying when she went on air after HRC's last loss

Thinkin if Andrea is saying HRC is pretty much political toast, Hillary should pay attention.

[mac2]

60. Crocodile tears eh?

[cali]

37. yeah, hilly's vast popularity among her fellow dems in the Senate

is why she got the overwhelming majority of dem Senators to endorse her. LOL.

[AllexxisF1]

40. Why would she lie.

She is covering her campaign and is literally around her people night and day.


Moreover it isn't that much of a stretch to think that she has pissed off a lot of people in the party with her NEOCON'esk tactics.


Hillary would have been better served if she just ran a hard campaign and stayed away from the smear tactics. She would have looked like a fighter who just got beat straight up. Instead of someone who went to the lowest depths just to try to percieve a win.


Hillary is simply not as politically savvy as her husband and made some seriously wrong career choices in these few months.


The best shot she has now is N.Y. Governor and hope to Christ she is able to have a shot in 2016.

[SwampG8r]

50. i think shes done

once the big kid takes it in the nuts and nothing happens then none of the other kids are as scared
recess 101

[MattBaggins]

53. You have some serious issues to work out

Go for a nice walk and unwind a bit.

[mac2]

66. Look at the spec in your own candidate's eye.

He's lied but they aren't as well known yet. He will lose us the election. That's just my opinion.

[K Gardner]

77. OH LOOKIE !! It's thte LIAR MEME ALREADY today !!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

110. its the sniper fire - its damaged their thinking

they can't help it if they don't know what is true and what isn't true anymore.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

109. suffering from excess dishonesty?

[saltpoint]

29. I don't know how much HClinton is liked there or not liked there, but if she's

suffered some loss of popularity in that chamber it may have something to do with the mounting perception that she is not a team player. The Senate is a place where compromise and collaboration are important.

[Tatiana]

33. Good point.

I don't think she is seen as a team player, either.

[ShortnFiery]

54. That's because the ONE stand-out trait that HRC demonstrates is "Self-Righteousness."

You can't be a "team player" and thus, make compromises when you are both egomaniac and self-righteous.

As my beloved track coach used to say, "There's no "I" in TEAM. ;)

The Senate is a place where compromise and collaboration are important.

[saltpoint]

59. - - - -

:thumbsup: :hi:

[goclark]

67. No "I" in TEAM ~ that's great

and that sums it up for the Clinton's.

I recall seeing a picture here at DU that I can't get out of mind.
Wish I could find it -- it's a picture of HC in a hallway getting ready to go speak at a Rally.
She was giving directions to one team member and he was not moving in close to her.

The other team members were keeping their distance as well.
The body language was amazing in that one clip.
Whatever she was saying, it looked like a mother beating her child with words and the other children being afraid to get involved.

She is not a TEAM player.

[FlaGranny]

75. Not being a team player

is the very reason she botched health care reform in the early 90s.

[goclark]

104. I had forgotten about that one

Right you are ~ we were so excited about the Clinton Family in the WH that we just thought they were not being nice to HER.

[FlaGranny]

124. I was thrilled when

she started working on health care. It wasn't until years later I found out that she was so rigid and unable to compromise that she lost the issue entirely. If she had compromised back then we might have universal health care by now, or something closer to it.

[Spazito]

130. These might be the pictures you were thinking about....

From this thread by Stephanie

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5939628

[goclark]

151. Yes! Those are the photos!

They look like Staff Abuse Photos to me.

[lastliberalintexas]

101. Do you EVER post anything positive about Obama?

Or just bash Clinton? :shrug:

[mac2]

63. You mean compromising our democracy for their own

self interest?

[saltpoint]

71. Who said anything about compromising democracy?

Well, you did.

But I didn't hear anybody else mention it.

[mac2]

88. That's what the Dems and Repubs have been doing behind

closed doors in the dead of night. "Compromising" our rights and democracy on the lies of war for profit. They call that being part of the "team". The frat corrupt team we call our Congress.

[saltpoint]

155. Oh come on. How do you know what goes on behind closed doors in

Washington?

Or anywhere else?

We could ask Charlie Rich what goes on behind his closed doors, but he likely wouldn't offer details.

He might even say it's none of beezwax.

Politics is full of negotiations and private navigation thru various minefields and interests. That doesn't mean it's all dark and dastardly.

[mac2]

162. That's just it we don't. This is a democracy with open

government. It is our country not their's to do as they please.

[saltpoint]

164. Well, black sites certainly rate very high on the atrocity list, IMO,

and Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney and Ms. Rice should be held accountable for them.

[mac2]

165. Race has little to do with those who have betrayed us since

2000. It's too secret and it's too self serving.

[saltpoint]

166. mac2, I'm sorry -- I did a poor job expressing myself. I meant the

so-called prison sites "blacked out to media coverage of any kind" that our government is running in the war against 'terror.'

I should have done a better job with the words there. Sorry.

[last_texas_dem]

42. I seriously think the main selling point for Clinton with

lower income, less educated whites is mostly name recognition and familiarity. I don't remember ever hearing of Hillary Clinton having substantial popularity with that group of voters until this presidential contest between her and the, by contrast, unknown quantity of Barack Obama. She's suddenly been cast as some sort of "populist." I'm not saying Obama is particularly more of one than Clinton or anything; I just think it's odd that Clinton is suddenly being cast in this light over the last few months when I don't recall such an image being associated with her at any point earlier in her political career.

[mac2]

118. If 50% of Americans support Hillary it isn't because of their

income.

[last_texas_dem]

148. How does this statement have anything to do with what I posted?

[mac2]

152. You said she was a populist did you not? She gets the

lower educated, poor votes?

[last_texas_dem]

154. I was addressing how she is being portrayed as such and, to an extent, how

her campaign itself has portrayed itself, in recent months. My post was in response to the last sentence of the OP's post. I said nothing about all of her support coming from low income lower educated whites.

[mac2]

163. Emm. If you say so.

[last_texas_dem]

167. My posts express what I said pretty well

But misrepresent them all you want if it makes you feel better.

[invictus]

43. The Clintons are finished. Good riddance to those lying neo-con hacks. n/t

[mac2]

95. Don't we wish.

No Hillary is not the only one. The rest are too.

[AspenRose]

44. This doesn't bode well for her senate seat when she runs for reelection

eom

[SeaLyons]

47. Just another nasty comment from a media whore...

who cares what Andrea Mitchell has to say.

[mac2]

57. Yes...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Mitchell

She helped out a CIA agent. She was not even blamed.

[rodeodance]

51. Ah yes, the media wants to decide the primary. Nothing new.

[mac2]

55. That's the plan.

[ShortnFiery]

56. Yeah, it's all us "Clinton Haters" who are denying The Goddess of Self-Righteousness HER Presidency.

:eyes:

[mac2]

58. Andrea Mitchell is not a good source for any political

opinion.

[ShortnFiery]

65. Hey, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. It's only RIGID thinker that dismiss a source

without considering if there's any veracity to his/her contention.

I believe this reporting from AM because "a big part" of why HRC couldn't get health care legislation passed in Bill's first term is THE FACT that she is Self-Righteous and not the kind of person who is willing to compromise and build consensus.

I fear for our country if HRC and Bill land in the WH for eight more years. More secrecy? More DLC? More monarchy in action? :(

[Doityourself]

139. Truth is, you guys hurt Hillary the most..you didn't donate enough cheddar...for shame!

[BlueJac]

61. She is a "Thug" just like Bill has become.....

The Clintons and NAFTA has put me against them forever!

[susankh4]

62. Well, guess what Ms. Mitchell...

Miss Congeniality is a title given to the loser of a beauty pageant.

Mrs. Clinton isn't there to be "liked." She is there to work hard for her constituents.

[mac2]

64. A strong woman is disliked by a lot of people in our

society. The media has ranted and raged ever since the Clintons were in power.

I'm not pleased with any of the Senate candidates since they failed to protect us from what we have today. The allowed Bush power by giving him theirs.

[ShortnFiery]

68. OH Stop! HRC is not disliked because she's a woman, but because she considers HERSELF ...

*Political Royalty.*

No BODY but "a Clinton" could get by with attempting to change the DNC rules *just because* they are not winning.

Hill and Bill have been SPOILED with power and privilege for so long they honestly BELIEVE that they own the Democratic Party.

HRC's last NAME has given her way more benefits than any perceived slight re: sexism.

She shamelessly floats from VICTIM to MERCENARY.

I admire STRONG women, (hell, I'm one of them) but I loathe cheaters and bullies. HRC qualifies for both of the foregoing characteristics.

[mac2]

72. I've heard that said about Obama on DU.

Let's stick to the issues and who can win against McCain.

[ShortnFiery]

79. No, "projection" is unbecoming to you. Many people who have been thrown under the bus by

the Clintons have described HRC as, "One of the most self-righteous people whom I've ever met."

That personality characteristic stands out in The Senate ... in fact, that's precisely why HRC would better serve this country as NY State Governor where her intelligence, tenacity and micromanagement (small group working skills) will produce POSITIVE results.

HRC is NOT an inspirational leader but a wannabe monarch.

Best wishes to her and Bill when they MOVE BACK to New York State. :shrug:

[madrchsod]

84. you mean this?

"In Faludi's apparent new archetype of the successful woman, if this takes a little pandering and brawling, the message is: bring it on. Clinton "has been converting white males, assuring them that she's come into their tavern not to smash the bottles but to join the brawl." Throw back shots at the bar. Finger those guns. Threaten to obliterate Iran. Throw our nuclear protection around those havens of masculinity, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. Hillary is a path breaker for future generations of women because she has broken the glass ceiling with her newfound politics of "pugilism".


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-hayden/not-the-time-to-celebrate_b_101556.html

Tom Hayden: Not The Time To Celebrate Clinton As Brawler - Politics on The Huffington Post

[ShortnFiery]

90. "Throw back shots at the bar." OVERT alcohol abuse is not what I want of my representatives,

much less of my President. Throwing back shots = ALCOHOL Abuse. :nuke:

[TahitiNut]

97. "Mrs. Clinton isn't there to be 'liked.'"??? Well, mission accomplished.

:eyes:

[Catchawave]

69. Andrea Mitchell says ?

:rofl:

[madrchsod]

76. she`s the jr senator from new york

that`s it.she`s used up her goodwill and she`ll have to work very hard to regain it. if obama wins then dick durbin will be the majority leader and then things will be different in the senate...a lot different.

[Cosmocat]

78. I like Durbin ...

he is A LOT smarter than people think, and a bit tougher, too ...

Reid is playing with a bad set of cards, but has been a little bit of a disappointment ... I like him, but he isn't moving earth there ...

[karynnj]

132. Durbin always struck me as one of the smartest, nicest most decent guys there

When the RW was after him for his comment, one of teh Chicago papers mentioned he had been Kerry's first choice - but the party talked him out of it because they wanted Edwards and didn't like the idea of 2 Catholics. If true, Kerry should have gone with his gut. Whatever Edwards had, it didn't work that well in the GE.

If this story or the ones that he preferred Gephardt or Clark are true, I hope that Kerry advises Obama to go with his gut - which has led him to that point and ignore pressure to pick HRC or a favorite of the party.

[mac2]

80. Ya...we will have more Democrats who are really DLCers.

They are Republicans more than Democrats and recruit them as so for office. We will need a 90% Democratic Congress with a Progressive President to change things.

I heard a Democratic party journalist say they were winning against Republicans in traditional Conservative areas of the country by running Republicans as Democrats. Isn't that the problem with candidates today? Few are really falling behind the liberal cause and agenda? We aren't sure what they are.

[corkhead]

81. She is going to need to move her carpetbagging ass to WV to stay in the senate when her term ends

[mac2]

83. Clean up your rage.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

111. bitter?

[mac2]

115. Bitter?

Nope my candidate was gone before Super Tuesday. I want more manners on this site.

[corkhead]

135. Must be "whore" is ok

whatever:eyes:

[mac2]

141. Yes...that's what Andra Mitchell is for the media.

That's a polite word for her treason regarding outting a CIA spy Mrs. Wilson. People might have died from her doing it. She should be in jail.

[Carolina]

147. good one... love it!

[Merlot]

82. Will no one sit with her at lunch or play with her at recess?

Really, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It sounds like a gossipy girl in the 5th grade - psssttt - "no one likes hillary, pass it on."

I'm going to give credit to the Senators to make up their own minds. And my guess is many of them don't like each other anyhow, but manage to be professional (with the exception of "go cheney yourself").

[mac2]

85. What about the issues is right?

[no_hypocrisy]

100. I'm with you. Sounds like something you'd hear in the seventh grade

in the girls room, the locker room, or the cafeteria. Give me a fucking break.

[Justitia]

87. Saw this on CSpan yesterday (vote in chamber), she was ignored by all.

One senator obviously felt sorry for her, stopped to talk to her, all the others walked by without glancing at her (even though she was standing right in the entry aisle).

The only other senator to acknowledge her presence was Obama. He walked directly toward her, greeted her warmly (with a touch on the arm and a smile) before leaving.

She has earned their deep scorn and it was obvious yesterday.

[mac2]

89. You are projecting.

It's politics and in the end they will all be friends once again. Especially since money runs America.

[Justitia]

98. Sorry to disappoint, saw it w/my own eyes - nobody talked to her, she was ignored.

Do you get CSpan? If so, you would have seen the same thing.

[book_worm]

91. the kind of campaign she is running doesn't warrant the vice presidency.

nor the presidency.

[ShortnFiery]

92. the kind of campaign she is running doesn't warrant DOG CATCHER within any community.

:nuke:

[lastliberalintexas]

93. Mitchell is a republican shill who used to

be rightly bashed on this site. Hope you're not too disappointed when she reports "some people say" type stories about Obama one day.

[bigtree]

96. mitchell and the others are just jealous

they don't elect her. they have their own problems they need to deal with.

[mac2]

99. Her "group" are going down and she doesn't like it.

[snooper2]

102. No way she will be VP...

She would want to bring some of "her" campaign folks in and that just would not happen...

Obama needs no part of that train wreck of a campaign

[workinclasszero]

105. Hillary is sacrificing the Dems chances to win total

control over the Federal government just to stroke her galaxy sized ego and sense of entitlement in an increasingly insane quest for the presidency, which she has already lost.

She is willing to burn down the House, Senate, White House, and last but not least, party if she cant get what she wants.

Gee wonder why Hillary is such a pariah in the Senate now??:sarcasm:

[mac2]

120. That argument just doesn't make it.

It's a primary and the divide is made by the politics.

[karynnj]

121. It had always seemed that stories of her popularity were overstated

From the month she entered the Senate, there were stories of how she hunbly took her role as a Freshman and didn't pull rank. But, articles like "Hillary's War" describe her as anything other than that by 2006. The idea that she would say that she was a co-sponsor of the Levin bill, that the leadership had not wanted the candidates on, after Levin had already introduced the bill without listing her. The description behind the scenes was that though she had not previously been part of the group working on Iraq - she almost acted as if she was the lead.

Watching Senate hearings, I have noticed that there are people who open lines of questioning - that others follow - or who are referenced by others during their comments as having said or done something noteworthy. Occasionally there is praise - not the perfunctory praise on the Senate floor - but praise that speaks of real contributions. Going from that - I don't see her as someone who is one of the most liked or even most influential. The power that she has had - at least since 2004 - is that she was seen as a likely President and per some stories one who holds grudges. Even before that there was a good chance she would be President and the connection to the entire Democratic power structure. The Clintons won't be powerless in an Obama administration, but clearly her power will be less than it was. She has little structural power as she has little seniority. (Not to mention, there is a major power heading the committee for the areas she would like to claim - Ted Kennedy.

[BlooInBloo]

122. She should just be Governor of West Virginia.

[ronnykmarshall]

126. Ahhhh ... Andrea Mitchell the new saint of Camp O.

I remember when Andrea was a Bush mouth piece. Spawn of the devil. Prawn of KKKarl!!

Oh yeah and then there's the former "Whora O'Donnell" when ol' Nora bashed Hillary, she was lifted upon the shoulders of the Obama folks and paraded around as a heroine.

[Texas Hill Country]

127. andrea mitchell pushes all sorts of unsubstantiated memes... to hell with her

[PBS Poll-435]

159. (and her husband!)

:rofl:

[barack the house]

128. ...

[natrat]

129. hopefully new york voters will wise up to what the clintons really are and get rid of her

[dailykoff]

134. After last night I can see why.

What a disgrace. Not only staying in the race long after she's lost but running a flithy, racist campaign on the national stage for a completely meaningless victory -- against the Dem nominee!

Didn't she ever learn not to fink on her friends?

[anonymous171]

137. Bill is her appeal to the lower income, uneducated voters.

[Thrill]

138. Word is Hillary is on the Hill today and is having trouble finding Super Delegates

to meet with her

[Stop Cornyn]

140. What could have possibly led Andrea Mitchell to presume that view was limited to the Senate?

[Cha]

142. hilary is liar and a fake who isn't needed

or wanted on our ticket.

The Senate knows a narcississtic spoiler when they see it.

[AtomicKitten]

146. It is rumored her colleagues fear her and Bubba more than they like them.

[SoCalDem]

149. She never WAS.. When she came in there she sucked all the oxygen out of the room

there were cameras & press for HER..because she was a former first lady and because she was Hillary.. Stuff like that for a brand new senator, does not go over well with the old-timers.. and then her committeee assignments were controversial too.

I remember people being miffed that SHE got assigned to committees that THEY had been trying to get on, and could not.. you might say SHE JUMPED THE LINE..sound familiar??

[marmar]

150. Something tells me the Clintons have alienated much of the Democratic Party....

.... Just look at all the mainstream Dems who've known the Clintons for ages - Kerry, Kennedy, Casey etc etc - who've endorsed Barack Obama instead. Clearly, there are some ill feelings there.

[mac2]

157. Politicians back whoever will give them a job in the administration.

They can't walk away from power even after being put out of office.

Obama's a Faith Based guy and those politicians you mentioned want it for their religious group. But primarily it's follow the money. You'd see them turn on a dime if someone else had the power.

Fascists are a comin.

[TexasObserver]

153. Hillary couldn't get 15 votes for a Senate leadership position.

She is despised by her fellow Democratic senators, and deservedly so. She's a show horse, not a work horse. She's Bill's wife. That's her claim to fame.

[mac2]

160. Who wants the respect of the Senators who sold out this

country to the WTO and lied us into illegal wars. Our democracy is in crisis. All of the candidates are Senators who let it happen.

[AZBlue]

168. She's not well liked in the US anymore.

And she's got only herself to blame.