65% of white Clinton voters say race unimportant vs only 27% Obama voters

[wvbygod]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#WVDEM

(2) Was Race of Candidate
Important to You.......... Clinton Obama
Whites Who Say No. (72%) ... 65% .. 27%

[anonymous171]

1. I'm not a racist, but...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

3. Reverse racism against hard working white people is a massive problem, dontchaknow. nt

[anonymous171]

5. I know. I look forward to a time when a white male can run for president, free from persecution.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

12. We Shall Overcome Someday. nt

[ShortnFiery]

13. "Reverse racism" ... KKKarl Rove? Is that you?

:crazy: :silly:


In America "whites once set themselves apart from blacks and claimed privileges for themselves while denying them to others," the author writes. "Now, on the basis of race, blacks are claiming special status and reserving for themselves privileges they deny to others. Isn't one as bad as the other? The answer is no."

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199311/reverse-racism

Only if racism is thought of as something that occurs principally in the mind, a falling-away from proper notions of universal equality, can the desire of a victimized and terrorized people to band together be declared morally identical to the actions of their would-be executioners.

Only when the actions of the two groups are detached from the historical conditions of their emergence and given a purely abstract description can they be made interchangeable.

Reverse Racism is a cogent description of affirmative action only if one considers the cancer of racism to be morally and medically indistinguishable from the therapy we apply to it. A cancer is an invasion of the body's equilibrium, and so is chemotherapy; but we do not decline to fight the disease because the medicine we employ is also disruptive of normal functioning. Strong illness, strong remedy: the formula is as appropriate to the health of the body politic as it is to that of the body proper.



p.s. I believe that you forgot this tag? :sarcasm:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. Dude, you really need a crash course in How To Read Statistics.

Because you're revealing yourself as the Low Information Voter that you are with this OP.

BTW, she got 84% of votes from white people who said race WAS important.

Was Race of Candidate Important to You Clinton Obama
Whites Who Say Yes (21%) 84% 9%

[TahitiNut]

25. There just ain't no cure for stupid.

The OP's take on that exit poll can't even be rationalized by dyslexia.

[Occam Bandage]

4. Here, let me help you with that.

72% of people said race was unimportant to them. Of those people, 65% voted for Clinton, and 27% voted for Obama.

See?

[SoCalDem]

14. and a white person answering a question like that will often say what

they WANT the interviewer to think...

[ProgressiveEconomist]

6. IMO you are seriously misreading the CNN WV exit poll result

I read it as, "Among the 21 percent of white respondents
who ADMITTED race was important, 84 percent voted for Clinton,
but only 9 percent voted for Obama.  Among the 72 percent of
whites who SAID candidates' race did not matter, 65 percent
voted for Clinton, and only 27 percent voted for Obama.

From
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#WVDEM
:

"EXIT POLLS: West Virginia
updated 9:18 a.m. EST, May 14, 2008
DEMOCRATIC PARTY, May 13, 2008 1478 Respondents

Was Race of Candidate
Important to You.......... Clinton Obama
Whites Who Say Yes (21%) ... 84% ... 9%
Whites Who Say No. (72%) ... 65% .. 27%

HOW TO READ EXIT AND ENTRANCE POLLS: The first column
of numbers in each table shows how many voters fall
into each category; those numbers should be read down.
The remaining figures show how each category voted; those
numbers should be read across."

[dbmk]

11. And you have to take the general vote distribution into account.

Given the percentage Hillary won with, she is overrepresented in the yes line, and slightly undrerepresented in the no line.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

15. Explain what you mean please. And do you think the statistical artifact you might

be suggesting is more important than the "loaded question" aspect of this split of respondents? Would you not hypothesize the ACTUAL percentage of white WV voters to whom "race matters" is perhaps very much greater than the 21 percent who would ADMIT to a CNN interviewer that they were prejudiced against Obama?

Wouldn't this statistical BOULDER outweigh the statistical speck of sand you might be alleging?

[dbmk]

20. Oh, I wasn't disagreeing..

..more adding to it in the general sese of analysing the numbers.

Just explaining that her numbers on the No side being higher than Obamas is not a good thing if it is below her numbers overall. I she wins 70-30 overall and has a 65-35 split among the No answers in that poll..thats a bad thing. Not a good thing, as the OP would have you believe.

As far as judging whether people would lie on that question? No doubt about it. And only in one direction.

And probably more so here than in many other places, if all other indications are to be taken at somewhat face value.

[DefenseLawyer]

7. Amazing how "Are you a racist?" never polls well.

I'm guessing "Are you a big loser?" polls in the low teens.

[ShortnFiery]

8. Because saying that Race is "unimportant" = "don't count at all" is as deluded as COLBERT

and his one black friend. :eyes:

If you can't accept that race plays "a part" then you are wearing blinders. :eyes:

There's much "wiggle room" between IMPORTANT and UNIMPORTANT.

those WHITE CLINTON voters seemingly don't see race "at all" ... perhaps they all share the same ONE black friend. :evilgrin:

[Raejeanowl]

9. Amazing How Anything Can Be Twisted If You're Determined

Before everyone goes off on another racism tangent, turn it around. The difference in Obama numbers might reflect nothing more ominous than an affirmative, deliberate vote FOR an African American by those who thought the candidates similarly qualified.

(edited to give contextual example)

[redqueen]

10. Enjoy your stay.

Jesus God... deliver us.

[casus belli]

16. And probably less than 10% of people who say they'd never vote for an African American...

would answer that they consider themselves racist. That doesn't mean they aren't. Most racists seem to be happily oblivious to their own shortcomings. What's your point with this, exactly? WV has spoken, we get the message. Let's move on.

[Marrah_G]

17. Please learn how to read stats before posting about them

You make yourself look foolish

[rucky]

18. That sounds about right. n/t

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

19. HOW TO READ ENTRANCE AND EXIT POLLS:

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/howtoread.html

Learn it. Use it.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

21. The "(2)" HAD to come from a SENSIBLE post of MINE that sank, while your rip-off

was getting into the 20s in replies. I hadn't notice this before.

How SNEAKY!

See my thread at URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5966073 , on the McCain/Hagee Obama/Wright double standard and its perfect correlation with votes for Hillary in the WV exit poll results you evidently stole from me.

[theboss]

22. You really misread that poll

People who said "race was a factor" went for Hillary by over 2:1.

[ProgressiveEconomist]

24. Actually, by almost ten to one, 84% to 9%

[Doityourself]

23. Ummmmmmm...

[madrchsod]

26. so what? it`s west virginia

a state that has very little in common with the majority of the rest of america. that poll does`t mean anything in the general election