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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:23 PM
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The Election was Hillary's to lose. So why hasn't she won?
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:24 PM
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1. She is not qualified in any way shape or form. Mostly.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:24 PM
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2. I wonder if there has ever been a bigger Snatch Defeat From The Jaws Of Victory candidate?
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:25 PM
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3. Because She Lost the Primary
Edited on Wed May-14-08 12:25 PM by fascisthunter
and any win at this point is just show.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:29 PM
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4. Clinton started this race with a 100 delegate head start.
Now she's down 170.

Some people say that's not an ass-kicking.

I disagree.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:29 PM
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5. IMO the worst mistake of her campaign is...
... the inability to put forth a message, judge how it is accepted, accept constructive criticism, and adjust.

Instead, ANYONE who is critical is labeled "THE ENEMY" and discounted. (Now who does that remind you of?)

All she had to do was tweak her tone and message slightly. Make it less inflammatory, less negative. Instead, she just turned up the volume.

And it continues. They just never learn. This past week, people have tried to explain to her and her supporters that her WV "white" comments were not being received well. They were coming off to some people as racist. Instead of explaining what she MEANT to say, her campaign and supporters accused anyone who took offense at the comments as being bigots themselves! Talk about shooting the messenger.

The people they have offended aren't the ENEMY... they are the VOTERS!!! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:30 PM
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6. Precisely the point.....
Would have also helped had she realized this would not be over February 5th and if she had organized for caucus states, that actually turned out to be important.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:32 PM
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8. Or if her campaign had realized California delegates were not winner take all.
THAT was just plain STUPID.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:18 PM
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21. She also pissed of loyal black voters and she had no Plan B
that really works. That put her in the position of relying on little band aids as she hopped from one failure to another without one of her core constituencies.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:42 PM
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24. They started off with an immensely arrogant, condescending tone
and alienated many, many voters.

"I WILL be the nominee." :eyes:
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:50 AM
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28. The insufferable arrogance of Hillary Clinton. Hit the link:
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:05 AM
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31. I got worked over early on
by a family member who was working on Hillary's local campaign. It didn't take long before I figured out that this Hillary supporter was spouting all of the "talking points" to me.

A big turn-off was the assertion/meme that Edwards was somehow dishonorable because he was staying in the campaign in spite of his wife's illness. I bit my tongue to avoid suggesting that it was dishonorable to stay in a sham marriage for political gain.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:31 PM
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7. Don't worry, HRC's still lying, smearing and cheating ... it's not August yet.
:nuke:
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:32 PM
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9. She can't even beat a freshman Senator
Why can't she close the deal?
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:34 PM
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10. She was so sure of herself she had nothing planned for post Super Tuesday.
Obama was setting up offices all over the country and Hillary was already going broke. She's probably had one of the worst run campaigns in modern history. At least Mark Penn made out well (ka-ching, ka-ching).
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:37 PM
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12. What's tragic is that Bill and Hills MASSIVE egos will end up "imploding" our party for the GE.
If that occurs, HRC best know that she's UNWELCOME come 2012. Further, if she cheats her way into making the superdelegates give the Nomination to her, I'll stay home with the vast majority of the AA community.

She's projecting now: He (Obama) can't win. = She (HRC) can't win.
FANTASY=REALITY
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:48 PM
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17. The most 'feckless' campaign I've ever seen. No one ever went into a primary with her advantages
Edited on Wed May-14-08 12:48 PM by blm
and if she had spent ANY of the gunpowder on Bush that she has been using on other Democrats all these years, she would have BEEN the nominee by Super Tuesday.

Of course, if she and her team had focused on opposing Bush and if they hadn't been undermining Gore and then sabotaging Kerry there would be no Hillary2008 campaign, at all.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:09 PM
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18. She sold out so completely she had nothing to peddle but lies.
Amazing there's still a few suckers buying them.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:35 PM
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11. She was too negative,
and she has been in the race too long. Sixteen months of this! Yuck.
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cloudbase Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:37 PM
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13. She played hare
to Obama's tortoise.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:39 PM
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14. Because most of us a sick of her "inevitable" ass (nt)
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:41 PM
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15. No, she's a tenacious underdog.
Edited on Wed May-14-08 12:46 PM by rucky
A rope-a-dope, toe-to-toe fighter with a fighting spirit that refuses to give up -er- the fight. She doesn't roll over, no, she gets right back up and keeps fighting the good fight like good fighters do when they fight. Then she'll kick you in the ding-ding and wait for you to get up so she can fight you some more, cuz that's the kind of fighter she is.
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 12:43 PM
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16. Because she's running against perhaps the most eloquent and
charismatic candidate in the past 50 years?

Because the country is more hungry for the message of change than the pundits anticipated?

It's a false premise anyway. She had no more of an advantage than Edwards (or even Biden for that matter), and she also has had built-in disadvantages to overcome.

But you don't really want answers to your question do you? You just wanted to post that headline.
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msallied Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:14 PM
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19. OH she'll win! Don't you worry! She's a FIGHTER! Democracy be damned!!!
:sarcasm:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:15 PM
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20. She used the tried & true method of playing to the right. AKA - triangulation.
Edited on Wed May-14-08 01:15 PM by Tierra_y_Libertad
The country has had a RW president for 8 years, preceded by "moderate" Democrat.

The time, for at least, perceived change has finally come.
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CatsDogsBabies Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:26 PM
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22. She isn't a very good candidate
I can't even believe that she paid someone millions of dollars, using campaign money raised from donors who support(ed) her, who didn't even know how the delegates were allotted. This seems so gravely misguided and incompetent - it is truly astounding. I think it is terrible stewardship of her supporters money. As far as I am concerned she hasn't proved herself able in minor things, why in the world would anyone entrust her with the presidency?


Someone (not a clue who he was) on the comcast news station said what this primary shows is that Americans are ready for a woman candidate for president (why HRC has gotten as many votes as she has) but people ultimately do not want HRC to be that candidate (why she is in fact going to lose).
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:41 PM
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23. She's a lousy candidate who pisses people off and she ran a crappy campaign. nt
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:41 AM
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27. Why did she think Dems wanted a campaign filled with lies after 8yrs of Bush-Rove?
.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 01:57 PM
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25. Didn't she close the deal?
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 02:08 PM
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26. The main reasons
1) Ran a 1996 campaign in a 2008 world.
She and her lackeys didn't know how the game was going played and failed to correctly gauge the mood of the voters. She also ran on old money, which quickly dried up while Obama still has tons in reserve.

2) Arrogance.
So sure of herself she didn't build the post-Super Tuesday infrastructure needed too stay competitive, especially in caucus states. Furthermore, her arrogance came out through her behavior and her tone, which turned off a lot of voters.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:54 AM
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29. DLC, everyone's had enough of repubs, even those which fool us by calling themselves D
Can't fool all the people all the time. That trick is over.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:55 AM
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30. Her message looked less like the hope we so desperately need...
...than did Obama's.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:41 AM
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32. She lost Oprah and wasn't cool enough to energize college kids. That, and the Iraq thingy.
Edited on Thu May-15-08 11:42 AM by WinkyDink
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:48 AM
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34. That smarty-pants, black guy stole it away from poor MzzHillie
:sarcasm:
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Zavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:05 PM
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35. Perhaps because she's as likable and appealing as a screaming case of the runs.
Also, she's no less dishonest than Dick Cheney. She insults her would-be voters with fake tears because she thinks we're stupid enough to believe it, she remakes her personality every day (going from the crying candidate to the beer-swilling woman of the people and many stops in between), her lie about sniper fire in Bosnia is exactly what I would expect from a Republican...her gutless and laughably evasive answer on the drivers licenses for illegals issue during the Spitzer controversy was a slap in the face to anyone with a double-digit I.Q. or higher.

I could go on for a long time, but in short your answer is this: she's incredibly unpleasant in every sense of the word (her attempts to seem otherwise are condescendingly transparent) and equally untrustworthy. I can't think of a single positive thing I can say about her personally, and the day I voted for Obama in the Maryland primary was one of the happiest of my life - 51% because I was voting for a candidate I like, and 49% because I was voting against that festering bitch.

On the bright side, at least she voted for Bush's war and has the courage not to admit that it was a mistake. :sarcasm:

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 12:09 PM
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36. My list:
1. She ran a lousy campaign. Absolutely horrible. Plan B? We don't need to plan B! How's that for hubris?

2. She lied. And lied to defend those lies. And then lied some more. And some more.

3. She does ugly things. Repeatedly. Obama has done some ugly things, but seems to learn from his mistakes. Hillary, on the other hand...

4. Lots of people are tired of the status quo.

5. Lots of people aren't fans of the Clinton brand.

I'm sure there's more...
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