HuffPo Reporting Angry Clinton Backers Mobbing NARAL's Site:

[mod mom]

NARAL Blogs On HuffPost: Why We Endorsed ... Angry Clinton Backers Mob Group's Web Site

Why NARAL Pro-Choice America Endorsed Barack Obama

Posted May 14, 2008 | 01:19 PM (EST)


I am pleased to announce that today, NARAL Pro-Choice America's political action committee endorsed Sen. Barack Obama for president.
I know that most of you are probably thinking, "Why did you decide to endorse Obama, and why are you doing it now?"

Sen. Obama has been a strong advocate for a woman's right to choose throughout his career in public service. Since joining the Senate in 2005, he has worked to unite Americans on both sides of this debate behind commonsense, common-ground ways to prevent unintended pregnancy. He supports legislation to provide our teens with comprehensive sex education, prevent pharmacies from denying women access to their legal birth-control prescriptions, and increase access for family-planning services.

Sen. Obama has said, "A woman's ability to decide how many children to have and when, without interference from the government, is one of the most fundamental rights we possess. It is not just an issue of choice, but equality and opportunity for all women."

-snip
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nancy-keenan/why-naral-pro-choice-amer_b_101708.html


Angry comments found here:

http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2008/05/naral-prochoice-6.html#comments

[K Gardner]

1. I told ya.. NARAL under the bus. How very typical.

[iamthebandfanman]

3. yup

its the ole with us or against us mentality..

yet another republican trait her campaign is showing.

[EFerrari]

5. All these buses need stilts already.

lol

[Enrique]

117. plenty of room under this one

[LSK]

23. Like Keith, like Randi, like Stephanie, like Michael Moore, like Move-on

the list goes on and on ...

[PoliticalAmazon]

115. Just like African-Americans, when they can't be used Hillary and ....

some of her supporters proceed to tear them down.

[Mooney]

2. NARAL is a sexist Republican junta!

[slackmaster]

57. At least they're not a racist Republican junta

:crazy:

[nichomachus]

4. Photo of supporters mobbing NARAL

[YOY]

9. The Producers?

Those aren't Hillarites unless they bring their 55 cats with them.

[DearAbby]

13. Geezus, where did you find my family picture?

I'll sue you, I'll sue your kids, I'll sue your grandkids...your dog, your cat....

[ej510]

16. Lol!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[bowens43]

29. Thanks, I needed that!

[femrap]

51. Keep it up...keep insulting

old and older women...and just see where it gets you. We can stay home on Election Day...'new boss is same as the old boss.' And since we're old, why should we care what you young fucks have to deal with???

[nichomachus]

58. Young fucks? HA HA HA

I almost spilled my tea on my Social Security check when I read that comment.

Actually, Medicare and Social Security will be among the first to go, so I wouldn't be too smug.

[femrap]

98. Like the young fucks are going to have jobs....

nevermind gas and food. I have NEVER depended on the government or anyone else to put food on my table or a roof over my head. At least my SS money is helping my mother. Doubt that I'll ever see a dime of it when I'm eligible.

[roguevalley]

61. I'm old and I know how to laugh. I don't see the insult. But then

who cares? Its humor.

rv, an old woman who can remember humor. Oh, and if you stay home and don't give a damn about 'young fucks' then I pity the kids in your family.

[femrap]

97. This is just like the humor that Blacks endured for

decades...but it's OK as long as you're making fun of women. Remember minstrels? There is a fine line between humor and ridicule. But as long as the boys are laughing....as you say...'who cares?'

BTW, I was smart enough not to reproduce in an overpopulated world which is now going to see the effects BIG TIME....running out of oil AND food. Have fun, young 'uns...who've never fought for anything. You're on your own now.

[Butch350]

51. Keep it up...keep insulting

Give em hell grand-ma! if you live in Fl, pleeze stay home.

[femrap]

95. I am not stupid enough to

reproduce in a world that is overpopulated...so cut the grandma crap, butchie. And I hope you do the same.

[RandomKoolzip]

76. Waaaah!

Sinking ships bring out the best in people, don't they?

[femrap]

101. Oink...

now I'm speaking your language...I bet you're a cute little piglet. A studly little piglet who can't bear the thought of a woman prez...it would cause such flaccidity. Boo hoo.

[RandomKoolzip]

125. I'd just like you to note that you were the first person who resorted to name-calling

If you want to know how I feel about Clinton, you might want to search my posts. Or, then again, you may want to live forever in your blessed ignorance and sainted comfy assumptions, who knows...

Either way, nice way of establishing dialogue! :thumbsup: With that approach, we'll have misogyny completely licked before 2011!

[msallied]

126. You sound like Rush Limbaugh.

So much for your attempt at feminism.

[femrap]

131. Just an uppity, vocal women's libber.

Being nice has never got me anywhere....so I prefer to put the shoe on the other foot and treat the boys like many of them treat the girls.

The boys get so mad...they've never had a girl be so mean to them. Boo hoo.

Maybe I can get my own radio show....wonder how long it would be before some boy tried to kill me???
Ever think of that??? Women aren't allowed to be shockingly vocal...they face violence as a result.

Go read a book on feminism.

eta: are you one of those paid by the RNC? Or just young and sheltered and protected by a big boy?

[beltanefauve]

133. Uh, how come

your profile lists you as a male?

Nice try.

[femrap]

134. just to screw with your head. nt

[Jamastiene]

65. Well, at least it's not a picture of a woman about to be burned at the stake

or a women being raped or beaten. I guess you think that's not sexist to put that up, huh?

[frickaline]

72. The Batley Townswomens' Guild presents the Battle for NARAL

Sorry I'm a huge Python fan, couldn't be helped :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMqSmiC_xHg

[Crunchy Frog]

74. LOL!

[frickaline]

82. good name :)

"If we took the bones out it wouldn't be crunchy, would it?!"

[Renew Deal]

106. lol

That's classic.

[YOY]

6. I like the wankette whining about the "selling out to the left-wing of the democratic party"

In the Blog's comments.

Damn those lefties...

[Chulanowa]

12. That right there tells you the truth about people who say such things

These Dems who want to be "centrist" between reason and fascism disgust me.

[YOY]

14. Damn skippy.

n/t

[Araxen]

7. Typical Rabid Clinton Supporters

if you aren't with them you are the enemy.

[carolinayellowdog]

37. The rabid ones are typical only of DU, and even then...

only of the most vocal, aggressive Hillbots. I hate that bunch as much as you do, but ask you not to think of them as typical of anything but crazy meanness.

[Darth_Kitten]

104. LOL

How insightful. Not.

[Occam Bandage]

8. NARAL prefers Obama to Hillary. Clearly this means that NARAL is pro-life, since

it is impossible for anyone to find Hillary less than the inevitable, infallible Queen.

[Jackpine Radical]

32. You mean anti-choice.

Don't buy the fascist frame, even in a context like this. If they were actually pro-life...(you know the litany).

[ErinBerin84]

10. Not sure if this is true, since I've never

(nore do I ever hope to) gone to the Taylor Marsh site, but a commenter on Talking Points Memo posted that earlier today, Taylor Marsh posted the names, phone numbers, and email addresses of NARAL's board with instruction to harass them about it. She later took them down and put up the NARAL 1-800 number.

[EmilyAnne]

53. That's nasty, if true. I just don't get this kind of a reaction.

[roguevalley]

67. I think if I were on that board I would find her and knock her on her

sorry ass after I purchased a bill board for her name and numbers.

[Connie_Corleone]

11. These rabid Hillary supporters are pathetic.

You don't see Obama supporters running around writing crazed, threatening emails to people or organizations that endorse Hillary.

GROW THE HELL UP, ALREADY! They are an embarrasement to real feminists in this country.

[DearAbby]

18. It's not about party...

It's not about country...it's about Hillary Clinton. Naral supported a Democratic Candidate, it's great...they supported the most electable Democratic Candidate, how is that wrong?

[Name removed]

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[Name removed]

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[Renew Deal]

15. Angry republicans attack NARAL

Nothing they haven't seen before.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. How long until anti-choice, anti-woman slurs?

Shouldn't be long.

[redqueen]

19. Sad.

Just sad.

[Kittycat]

20. Interesting Comment here...

By DEANNA DELLAVEDOVA on May 14, 2008 3:05 PM

I'm ashamed to say I ever served on the NARAL board in PA. Take me off all of your lists... emails / phone calls begging for money

you are OUT

if I get one call or harrassment / I'll take legal action.

you made your bed - now go sleep in it with B Hussein O.

Emphasis mine.

She also posts that they'll never see another dime from her in another rant.

[Binka]

26. Wow The Muslim & The BO (Stinky) Slam

What a god damn ****. She can shove her dime in her pie hole.

[JBoy]

69. Looks like she throws people under the bus quite readily:

http://www.pittsburghsymphony.org/psomessageboard.nsf/a45255bbb10abf6085256f2d006caade/491ec020aceaaea78525707a005293ef!OpenDocument

From the Pittsburg Symphony Orchestra message board:

Deanna DellaVedova - 09/12/2005 11:01:58 AM

popping balloons


the person who thought of dropping balloons should be fired. the people sitting next to me agreed. what an embarrassment! a less than perfect way to accompany the perfect concert... and it was all captured on TV.

[madrchsod]

83. someone send her a coat hanger or a darning needle

she thinks the republicans are going to do anything for women?

[Swamp Rat]

21. "Shame on you, NARAL, for selling out to the left wing of the Democratic Party."

Well, join the refucklican party then, where they are sure to respect your reproductive rights. :eyes:

[Name removed]

24. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Swamp Rat]

84. hee hee!

:D

[mrreowwr_kittty]

52. I know, how dare an unabashedly pro-choice group be associated with...

Horror of horrors! The Left Wing!

Oh noes! Not the Left Wing! :rofl:

[shadowknows69]

54. Those comments just reek of Hillary's mythical entitlement

How dare they endorse someone other than the Queen of Choice and the Goddess of Peace.

[AtomicKitten]

22. Ah, the trickle down "sore loser" theme of the Clinton Campaign labeling others as Judas traitors.

:thumbsdown:

[Lucky 13]

71. It's as if they truly believe people are endorsing him for spite.

They are taking EVERYTHING personally. PERHAPS these individuals and organizations are endorsing Obama because they believe him to be the better candidate. Do they not have a right and responsibility to do so?

[AtomicKitten]

73. proof positive that's all about her and not the greater good

[CTLawGuy]

25. this just confirms my suspicion

that we are dealing with people who were convinced they were going to get a woman president and have been very very disappointed... to put it mildly...

[femrap]

56. And black folks want a black person to be pres???

That's OK, right? But a woman wanting to see a woman pres isn't?

Is Logic taught is schools anymore?

[CTLawGuy]

80. take a look at comments like this, and see what you think

"I could go on pages, suffice it to say, women support women - you know that. I know you know that. "

"This is a sexist position to deny Hillary the right, as we have afforded male candidates in the past, to run to the finish line in a primary."

"Not only are not endorsing a fantastic pro-choice FEMALE candidate, but you're only going to lose support."

"The founders of the women's movement roll in their graves today. I never thought I would see the day when an organization, founded by women for women, actually had the chance to support the most qualified candidate for president and SHE happened to be a women and yet, they chose the male for no justifiable reason whatsoever. "

"I want nothing to do with anyone that can support Obama. Senator Clinton is a woman for pete's sake..."

"we are two mature gay men who support women's rights totally.... and for your organization to turn on a woman is unforgiveable ! "

" am beyond shocked by your endorsement of Barack Obama—and cannot even begin to comprehend how your organization would not support a woman for President."

" I can't believe you aren't endorsing a women for President are you a bunch of stupid ignorant women who prefer to be told what to do by a man."

" am disappointed indeed that you've bailed out on the first viable woman candidate for the U.S. Presidency, one who has been standing up for women's rights for many years. As I read the comments above, I think you may have made a bad strategic mistake here."

and I'm sure there are others.

http://www.blogforchoice.com/archives/2008/05/naral-prochoice-6.html#comments

[tpsbmam]

86. Sheesh, if someone had told me that being a feminist.....

means that I MUST march in lockstep with other women, that I MUST vote for a female candidate over a male candidate, that I MUST think the same way as all other "feminists".....well, I wouldn't have burned my favorite most comfortable bra!! I want my damn bra back!

In my world, being a feminist means working to advance the rights of women, working to advance equality for women, exercising the rights to educate myself that my fore-sisters and I fought for, exercising the right to think & speak freely that my fore-sisters fought for, exercising the right to vote freely that my fore-sisters fought for, having the right to chose what happens to MY body that I fought.....no one told me that I MUST support and vote for Hillary Clinton.

Shit, I don't want to be a "feminist" anymore.


:sarcasm:

[femrap]

99. You didn't answer my question....

Afraid? Why are Maxine Waters and Stephanie Tubbs Jones supporting HRC? As Shirley Chisholm said, "Men are men."

Again....why is it OK for Blacks to support Obama because he is 1/2 Black and it's not OK for women to support a sister?

[Barb in Atl]

107. Huh????

....why is it OK for Blacks to support Obama because he is 1/2 Black and it's not OK for women to support a sister?

Maxine Waters and Stephanie Tubbs are BOTH Black!!! Clinton also has Rangel, that idiot Bob Johnson (not for his candidate endorsement, but because he created BET, that fuming pile of poo - he coulda done something like TV1) and Andrew Young AND Maya Angelou (almost forgot). She's got big name folks of color. Are they choosing her out of self loathing? Nope. They prefer Senator Clinton. Dandy. This is not black / white, innies / outies. This is about trying to dig this country out of this mess where we find ourselves.

While identity politics is definitely going on here, I think the vast majority of people are voting for the candidate they think has the best chance in November to win and to have long coattails for down ticket races as well as getting things done once in office.

I'm sorry for you that your candidate does not seem to be in the lead. But seriously, pull up. Be pissed all you want to but try to refrain from the specious arguments that neither argue in favor of your candidate nor your rationality. I look forward to the day when a woman wins the presidency - maybe my niece (she's a two-fer, black and female). But I am not willing to vote for a woman merely because she is a woman. Nor have I ever been willing to vote for a Black candidate merely because we each have increased melanin. My congress critter is the perfect example of not trusting skin as reason to elect.

[femrap]

109. And Maxine and Stephanie are women...

darboy accused me of supporting a woman because she is a woman....yet Blacks supporting a Black candidate gets no grief.

I'm sick of hearing it. I'm tired of the sexism being expressed, yet not recognized for what it is. This primary has demonstrated to me that sexism is truly the last 'ism' and it is so very alive and well. It's as if I'm back in the '60's and '70's and nothing has changed. It's deja vu. I don't have the patience to educate another generation...a generation that already knows everything. I can't fight the MSM and TPTB.

I knew HRC wouldn't be the candidate months ago. And I also know how hated women are...I had no idea that the hatred and ridicule could be so intense

It isn't going to make any difference anyway...we're running out of oil and food. I'm glad I'm not young and that I didn't reproduce.

I still feel that HRC would have been better for women and children...after all that is the majority of Americans. But they're both bought and paid for by The Corporation.

Take care.

[CTLawGuy]

114. I never even mentioned you

there's nothing wrong with being disappointed at not having a woman president. I'm sure African Americans would feel the same way if Obama went down. I speculated that this disappointment is the source of the intense anger that is accompanying the realization that Hillary will not be the nominee. Many of the comments proved me right.

[CTLawGuy]

108. I never disagreed with you

I just pointed out that I saw that as a motivation. Looks like you agreed with me.

[femrap]

110. You can be sure that I don't agree with you.

[CTLawGuy]

113. ok

then what do you have to say to the multitude of quotes I have printed for you?

[femrap]

122. What I said before.....

Many women want a woman prez....just as many blacks want a black prez. Its seems it's OK for blacks but not OK for the women.

I'm through.

Have fun at the circus.

[CTLawGuy]

129. I agree with that

I never said it was ok or not ok, I made an observation. I think you're the one at the circus here.

[femrap]

130. circus = election = distration. nt

[marions ghost]

64. BINGO

I think you're correct.

You know, this MUST have been a hard decision for NARAL.

I haven't contributed to them in many years. I will send a donation for this. This was a brave move.

[NorthernSpy]

27. More people are under the Clinton bus than on it.

Now it's NARAL's turn to get hateblasted by Taylor Marsh and her troupe of rabid hyenas.

[democrattotheend]

28. Obama supporters, help counter the people threatening to stop donating

Even if you can't donate, you can rec this Kos post and help it get to the recommended list so they can raise some money for NARAL, as they have for other people/groups that have been attacked for endorsing Obama. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/14/155323/123/1001/515645

[Barack_America]

30. Here's an interesting one...

"I'm ashamed to say I ever served on the NARAL board in PA. Take me off all of your lists... emails / phone calls begging for money

you are OUT

if I get one call or harrassment / I'll take legal action.

you made your bed - now go sleep in it with B Hussein O."


Good Lord. What is wrong with these people?

[mod mom]

34. So are they going to vote for McCain when BO has received 100% approval rating from NARAL?

I feel sorry for their Director. Why not support the best candidate as long as they have supported reproductive rights. As much as I would have loved to vote for a woman, it was the woman who was running that prevented me from that support.

Very sad.

[4themind]

87. Talk about biting off your nose to spite your face -nt

[Hansel]

88. Wow. I bet they're sorry they lost her.

[AspenRose]

105. That one stood out to me, too.

Yikes. :hide:

[beachmom]

31. Their nastiness comes with their sense entitlement of Ms. Inevitable.

It is incomprehensible to me. I would never contact an org or politician for endorsing her.

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[Chalco]

39. Precisely why I will not donate.

And this thread is another reason why I wont donate. For everyone to be castigating Clinton supporters for being angry at NARAL is just beyond belief.

Clinton has fought for women's rights and women's abortion rights for years. It makes absolutely no sense for them to endorse Obama.

[beachmom]

47. Are you nuts? Either NARAL had to endorse Clinton or Obama. They

would be disappointing a group of supporters either way. Do you think it's right to send hateful e-mails to an organization that fights for a woman's right to choose? Do you understand that someone on staff there now has to take the time to sift through the vile hate from Clinton supporters? So now they not only have to deal with the pro-life haters but the hateful Clinton supporters, too. That is wrong, and those people ought to be ashamed of themselves. So called liberals and pro-choicers my a**. More like sore losers with no manners.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

48. And NARAL will continue to support women's rights, despite the whining of bitter people like you.

Endorsements aren't obligations, just saying.

[rucky]

79. But you get to punch the mods.

yeah?

Besides, that was Grovelbot - not Obamabot

[Chalco]

112. No thanks. nt

[sniffa]

43. BWAHAHAHAHA

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'm gonna hafta donate again.

[izzybeans]

44. On payday I'll finally be able to swing another donation.

[Andy823]

35. Wow and they say

Obama supporters are angry! :think:

[Colobo]

36. They are pathetic.

[C_U_L8R]

38. Wow that's some hyperventilatin' hyperbole right there

oh the faux shame-shame indignation.
How ridiculous can they be. Hillarious stuff.

[grantcart]

40. Please go ahead and read the comments

No they are not rational but they are intense and not superficial. I can assure you the Obama campaign is reading these comments very differently than we are. This is not fake outrage this is the tip of the iceburg. If you read that thread you have to consider that whatever your personal feelings it may be necessary to consider Hillary for VP.

Again it is not a rational repsonse but it is authentic. There is a significant slice of Hillary's support that has to be placated. I am a lot less worried about blue collar white workers than getting these people on board. What happens if McCain picks a woman for VP folks?

[Barack_America]

41. McCain has already ruled out a pro-choice VP.

And I would hope that these people, who claim to be fervent defenders of choice, will support the pro-choice ticket.

[grantcart]

45. right but these people aren't just a little disappointed they are beyond that

they may just stay home however.

[mod mom]

49. OMG this woman posted the faux email saying Sen Obama is a Muslim:

From:
loren davis

To: billelliott@suddenlinkmail..com
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 3:36 AM

Subject: Obama and Kenya connection

Dear Billy Sam,
Thanks for sending out an alert about Obama. We are living and working in Kenya for almost twelve years now and know his family (tribe) well. They are the ones who were behind the recent Presidential election chaos here. Thousands of people have been displaced by election violence(over 350,000) and I don't know the last count of the dead. Obama under "friends of Obama" gave almost a million dollars to the opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga, who is a socialist trained in East Germany . He has been trying to bring Kenya down for years and the last president threw him in prison for trying to subvert this country! December 27th elections brought cries from ODM (Odinga Camp) of rigged election. Obama and Raila speak daily.As we watch Obama rise in the US we are sure that whatever happens, he will use the same tactic, crying rigged election if he doesn't win and possibly cause a race war in America ..

What we would like you to know is what the American press has been keeping a dirty little secret. Obama IS a Muslim and he IS a racist and this is a fulfillment of the 911 threat that was just the beginning. Jihad is the only true Muslim way. We have been working with them for 20 years this july! He is not an american as we know it. Please encourage your friends and associates not to be taken in by those that are promoting him. It is world wide jihad.All our friends in Europe are very disturbed by the Muslim infiltration into their countries. By the way. His true name is Barak Hussein Muhammed Obama. Won't that sound sweet to our enemies as they swear him in on the Koran!

God Bless you.

HOW LOW WILL THESE WOMEN GO? AS A WOMAN, I AM EMBARRASSED.

[crankychatter]

63. If that be the case, Grant... then Clinton is to be blamed for any loss in November

She could nip this BULLSHIT in the bud now and opts not to.

Her choice, her responsibility.

[Pawel K]

42. You remember how HRC supporters used to claim Obama supporters were cult like?

how ironic.

[Pisces]

46. They are psycho. I donated and left a positive message to combat the dingbats.

[Danger Mouse]

50. Two BIG ENDORSEMENTS for Obama today!

[Zachstar]

111. Yes

[NorthernSpy]

60. I walked away from toxic feminism in college and never looked back.

I've always believed in the equality of women (my equality!) and always will. But walking away from that irrational, histrionic malice of the sort being vented at NARAL is not something I've ever regretted.

[crankychatter]

62. Pot Bangers are NOT feminists - n/t

.

[Political Heretic]

66. Isn't it funny how clinton supporters are the ones acting like a cult these days?

[Diana Prince]

68. "This is insulting and a slap in a face to her career and to all women."

"I just wish to add my voice to the growing chorus of women who feel betrayed by your actions."

"NARAL has completely lost my support. You have confirmed my long-held contention that feminism in this country is truly dead. I hope your organization can continue to operate with Obama's new coalition...you're gonna need it."

"How can I have contributions refunded?"

"This is a mistake and you need to undo it. How about endorsing someone who can reproduce, for starters???????"

These are just a few comments from people who are upset about NARAL's endorsement. Perhaps they should be more worried about what will happen if McShame is elected. Both Obama and Clinton have a 100% rating from NARAL and an endorsement for either should be fine.

[ShortnFiery]

70. Wow! Sorry to deflate your sails, but HRC was NOT EVER *all women* ... she just thought she was.

:thumbsdown:

Obama will stand up for *all* peoples' rights, which INCLUDES women's rights. :-)

Barack Obama :patriot:

[Diana Prince]

77. I was just amazed at the nastiness directed toward NARAL

Why can't people be happy that Obama is for women's reproductive rights. McShame will work towards repealing Roe v Wade.

[Withywindle]

102. This one left me speechless....

How about endorsing someone who can reproduce, for starters???????"


Wow, way to get down to what's REALLY important in a President. :rofl:


(Wouldn't that be Obama anyway? Isn't Hillary probably past all that?)

[Bright Eyes]

75. Listen to this one:

"I am outraged. This is absolutely ridiculous. I will never give money or support to NARAL again. Shame on you, NARAL, for selling out to the left wing of the Democratic Party. "

As it should be. :rofl:

[TexasObserver]

78. she's crazy, and so are her core supporters

It's gone beyond mere cult of personality. They are as obsessed as she is, and as misguided.

[rucky]

81. More self-marginalization from single-issue activists.

Some groups get it (NARAL)

Some don't.

[izzybeans]

85. The irrational reactionary nature of those comments is a sad site. They sound

just like anti-choicers. No amount of fact will overcome the strong fictions in their minds. Wow.

Still harping on the "present" vote, you know the one the Il Chapter of the Planned Parenthood asked him to place. These people are idiots. It's good to see the leaders of NARAL aren't so naive.

[Coexist]

89. I went and left a nice message.

[Marie26]

90. Clinton has worked on abortion rights

all her life, she's got a 100% NARAL rating on pro-choice issues. And yeah Obama will be the nominee, but then why endorse him now when it's almost over? It does have the feeling of a jumping on the Obama bandwagon.

[sfaprog]

92. Should they have endorsed Obama sooner or not at all? - also, Obama got %100, too

[Marie26]

94. Either. :) nt

[eridani]

91. Both candidates are pro-choice. Why not endorse the winner?

They are right about McSame getting a free ride.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

118. You're making WAY too much sense.

[Aloha Spirit]

93. Gobama! Narwhals for Bama.

[peterbluepedro]

96. The Huffington Post is not an unbiased source

Arianna Huffington is a self-described Obama supporters, chosen by Obama to publish his original response to the Wright scandal.

[merh]

100. So that justifies the attacks on the other site?

What the female hillary supporters don't realize is they are setting the women's rights movement bet decades. They are behaving as vicious victims, they aren't acting like mature adults who deserve to be treated as equals. They don't even want equality (which is what hillary is experiencing) they want special treatment for her because she is a woman.

It is ridiculous and disgusting at the same time.

[sybylla]

121. Well said.

I've always believed feminism meant equal treatment, not special treatment. How is special treatment different than what women had before the feminist movement? Women weren't to do certain things or be in certain places because they were "special" and deserved special treatment.

Apparently the feminists who came before me, those great ladies for whom I've had great respect in the past, don't see it the same way. I'm rather saddened to see these fine women get so angry and cry "sexism" every time Hillary doesn't get special treatment. I have a hard time looking them in the eye with respect lately. They come across as desperate and deluded every time they talk about it to me or in front of me and I know they aren't doing the cause of feminism one iota of good.

These women have worked hard for the party in the past because of their beliefs. I hope when this primary is over, their world will eventually be righted and they will work as hard as ever.

[Auntie Bush]

103. Can someone please tell me which one

of those reasons Clinton doesn't agree with? She has always been for everything NARAL says why they are backing Obama. I just don't get it! Well maybe I do...they just want to be backing the winner..more chance of getting dollars. It's just plain sickening politics. Obama's position is no better or pro-choice than Hillary's.

[mod mom]

116. I believe it is the issue of unifying the country instead of divisive rhetoric that

will best allow Obama to win and thus has the best chance of keeping reproductive choice.

[Auntie Bush]

124. but if Clinton won...Woman's rights wouldn't be threatened. so I

still think it's all politics. Endorsements don't mean someone is better than the other...it's just politics and everyone wants to be on the winning side. That bandwagon is huge!

[democrattotheend]

127. But it's so unlikely that she can win at this point

I don't think this is NARAL saying that Obama is better than Clinton on their issues. I think they are saying that they're ready to begin their general election campaign. I work at an interest group in DC and a lot of liberal interest groups have been in limbo for the past few months...everyone expected that we'd have a nominee by early February, back when Clinton looked inevitable. Strategies were planned around having a nominee February 6th, and a lot of groups that want to help Democrats take back the White House have been in limbo for a while.

I think NARAL would have been better off waiting until June 4, but I don't think they were trying to say Obama is better than Clinton on reproductive rights issues. I certainly don't think they plan to send out anti-Clinton mailers or anything. I doubt they will even run program in the remaining primary states (except maybe Oregon, which is a swing state). They will start their general election campaign, contrasting Obama to McCain in battleground states.

[crankychatter]

119. is it as bad as DU?

just askin

[SeaLyons]

120. Shame on NARAL...

very hard to believe....absolutely shameful.

[Eurobabe]

123. Another group...dead to her.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

128. Has he really just voted "present" on tough reproductive issues?

and present on many women's issues? I would like to know that.....

[Levgreee]

132. only at the request of Planned Parenthood. Republicans proposed those bills he voted present on.

and they framed the wording in such a way, that voting yay or nay on them would be incriminating... like, "Obama voted nay on the preserve the life of our children act", or something of the like. I'm not sure exactly , but it was on the behest of Planned Parenthood, and not because Obama refused to take a stand.

Yet Hillary has been manipulating those present votes as otherwise, even though she clearly understands the situation.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_voting_record_on_aborti.html