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liberalcommontater Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:16 PM
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Obama can't win the GE?
I fully support Hillary Clinton, but I first supported John Edwards. If Barak Obama is the nominee I will support him. However, I am seriously concerned about his electability.

A Democrat must win in November. What if Obama can't? These two quotes are from cannonfire.

This is from Left Coaster:
Let's close with some observations on Nebraska. Nebraska held a primary yesterday not just for the Republican party but also for the Democratic party - the latter being irrelevant when it comes to delegates but important to assess the impact of caucuses v. primaries. When Nebraska held its Democratic caucus on Super Tuesday (Feb), the turnout was around 38760 and Sen. Obama won the caucus 68%-32%, giving him a popular vote margin of almost 14000 votes. Yesterday, the primary attracted 93161 voters and the result was 49-47% in favor of Sen. Obama, with Mike Gravel taking up the remaining 4%. In other words, a 36-point caucus victory was reduced to a 2-point primary victory for Sen. Obama along with a much lower popular vote margin of just ~2600 votes.

This is from Anglachel:

In contest after contest, we see him failing to turn out the massive numbers that his allegedly unstoppable movement says they command. We see dominance in highly restrictive caucuses. We see him turning out super-majorities of AA voters. We see him dominating urban areas where you have upper income liberals. We see the college aged children of those liberal families voting in university areas.

Help me out here to see what I am not seeing. If this is true and he loses the states in the GE that he won by caucus and he loses some of the big states won by Hillary, where does victory come from?

Look also here at the electoral college projections:
http://www.electoral-vote.com/

It looks like Obama will be the nominee, but is that a sure defeat?
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 03:46 PM
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1. you fail to see
Most big democratic states will remain Democratic. At this point, Clinton has the voters. She is still running. Once there is a definite nominee rather than 2 candidates running for the nomination, then the party will most likely unite. Even if you factor in the racial issue, there will be weary Republicans and Independents that have a desire for change. Also you have to take into acount that 85% of the country feel we are heading in the wrong direction. The main challenge for the nominee will be to peg McCain as being Bush term 3 which will not be difficult. McCain is not the same McCain in 2000. His baggage has yet to be rifled through.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:21 PM
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2. yep; causcuses can give a really distorted view of candidate support.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:24 PM
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5. If Hillary hadn't underestimated caucuses she wouldn't be about to go home...
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:23 PM
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3. Grandpa will not run strong across the country
Edited on Wed May-14-08 04:26 PM by BrentTaylor
He has had a free ride for over 4 months and Obama is still ahead of him in the polls.

Also keep in mind. Just because you its close with Hillary doesn't mean its close with McCain.
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:23 PM
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4. So Obama still won the state.
And he has more dedicated supporters who show up to caucus that will probably do things like show up to volunteer and work, more so than Hillary does. I fail to see the problem.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:28 PM
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6. Obama can, and likely will, win the general.
He ran a superb primary campaign. He'll run an equally good general campaign. He has indeed brought millions of new voters into the process. Rasmussen and others report that the electorate prefers dems on every issue. Voters clearly do desire a big change. McCain has multiple problems of his own, including scandals, trouble holding on to core repuke voters and his age. Hillary supporters seem to want to believe he can't win. Absurd.
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