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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:00 PM
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Let's say the DNC gets MI and FL ironed out....
Let's assume for a moment that the DNC reaches some sort of deal that Hillary, Obama and the states go along with. I expect them to, and I expect them to get it resolved soon, starting May 31st.

At that point, Hillary will be far behind in Pledged Delegates, behind in Superdelegates, and most likely popular vote(depending on PR results).

The Superdelegates will continue their move, probably even in greater numbers to Obama. Will that be an acceptable conclusion to Hillary's bid?

What leverage would she have left, at that point. This is why I think she has declined several offers of compromise for MI. The longer it remains ambiguous, the longer she can sell herself as viable, even though it is a sham.

Where will her campaign go after MI and FL are ruled on, and Obama has the number to win?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:02 PM
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1. Hillary really is out. She won't be the nominee.
FL and MI will be settled, but Obama really has this.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:04 PM
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2. I know that, you know that, and I think even Hillary knows that.
I just want to figure out when she will admit it to her supporters.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:10 PM
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6. Only after they send their last dollars.
:shrug:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:12 PM
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8. Maybe, but is costs money to keep a campaign going.
Staff and offices and all that. With $20 million in the hole, I don't see how staying on, with no more "good days" coming will raise enough to make it worth the while.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:07 PM
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4. Agreed, but we really need to fix this election process
The regular delegates, the superdelegates, the primaries, the open primaries, the caucuses, the electoral college versus the popular vote, etc, etc, etc. There's got to be a better way.
How about one primary, after a series of debates, each state voting at the same time. Think of all the money it would save for the GE.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:10 PM
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7. I agree the process needs to be overhauled but
I'm absolutely against a one primary day solution. It would be even more about money and a Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton would never have a chance. We need something like rolling regionals or small states that switch off going first. Retail politics is too valuable to junk.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:06 PM
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3. If she tries to use PR's popular vote in her argument, she loses
That idea has already been floated by Wolfson and even the usually-
deferential Tweety as much as LAUGHED IN HIS FACE. They can't
seriously count popular votes in a commonwealth that DOESN'T EVEN
HAVE AN ELECTORAL VOTE (at its continuing insistence -- they've
voted down statehood on numerous occasions) in their argument
that she's the "stronger candidate" ... it just won't fly.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:08 PM
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5. Then, she won't have the popular vote as leverage.
Even with FL and MI.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-14-08 04:14 PM
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9. That appears to be her last remaining argument ...
Absent that, I don't know what keeps her in, except her
implications that he'll somehow screw up. Not exactly
convincing ...
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