To all former Edwards supporters

[Andy823]

Who are now trashing the man because he did not vote for Hillary, I am ashamed of you!

You don't have to agree with him, but you sure as hell don't have to trash him like you are doing today. If he would have endorsed Hillary, I am sure you would be "praising" him! He made a choice, he picked the person she thought would do more to change this country, and you need to live with that. He was not "bought" off, and if you think he was, then you were no really a supporter of his to begin with!

I would vote for Edwards today if he was still in the race. I have always, and will always, feel that he was the best candidate of the top three, but he made his choice. If he had picked Hillary, yes I would have been disappointed, but I would never say the things that are being said about him tonight by many his former supporters who are now in Hillary's camp! John Edwards deserves better than this, much better!

[kdmorris]

1. Double negative in that first sentence

you say "to all former Edwards supporters who are not trashing the man (because he did not vote for Hillary) I am ashamed of you.

So, basically, you are ashamed of the people who aren't trashing him :D

[Andy823]

8. My mistake

I corrected it. Sometimes my fingers work faster than my brain, thus the mistake! :shrug:

[kdmorris]

15. I can understand that

My brain does that kind of crap all the time.

[Andy823]

17. As my kids would say

It's because I am so "old"!

[kdmorris]

20. I do try to ignore that particular fact of my life

I usually tell my kids that it's not because I'm "old". It's because I burned out my brain cells trying to keep them organized these last 21 years.

It's like herding cats.

[Andy823]

23. I usually tell them

That anyone with two teenagers has these kind of problems! :crazy:

[kdmorris]

28. LOL, yep!!

I have three.. all girls. Although, since the oldest is now 20, I guess I only have 2 teenagers again!!

[Andy823]

32. I have one girl

And one boy. My son turns 14 on the 29th of this month, and my daughter is 16! They are both really great kids, but teenagers are a handful. For some reason they think they know "everything"! :shrug:

[RainDog]

2. who are NOW - not not, I assume?

yes, any edwards supporter now trashing him is an idiot.

[Andy823]

9. Yes, my mistake.nt

[Zomby Woof]

3. As an Edwards supporter behind Hillary

I respect Senator Edwards' decision to endorse Senator Obama. I do not have to agree with the decision, but neither do I lose one modicum of respect for him. He is doing what he thinks is right, and that is a key aspect of why I respect and support Senator Edwards.

It's certainly smart politics too. The winds are blowing towards Senator Obama's nomination, and the timing is precise.

[VolcanoJen]

6. As an Edwards supporter behind Obama...

... I agree with you.

If there is one thing I do wish we could unify behind, after the sting has subsided, it's that Obama's political team is unstoppable. These guys are just shaking the tree, and surprising at every turn, and as a Democrat, it is a damned refreshing thing to witness. It gives me so much confidence heading into November.

:hug: Zomby :hug:

[Andy823]

16. Thank you.

And I agree with you, we all need to come together and make the changes we need in this country.

[Zomby Woof]

19. Hey ya JenJen!

Ever since you PM'd the other night, the Dodgers have been losing, losing, losing. x( :P


As for THIS topic... I can say this: DU just doesn't reflect my world, or the broader world, on a day-to-day basis (woe to those it does!). My whole family here and in NC are voting Democratic, and although split between Obama and Clinton, there's no animosity behind our differing support. We aren't just voting against McCain (although there is nothing wrong with that as a motivator), we are voting FOR someone. I believe the more rational supporters - and they exist - of both candidates have far more in common than this site suggests. Hell, we're veterans of the 2004 primaries, and what could possibly rattle us anymore? :hug: Jen :hug:

[VolcanoJen]

25. We are battle-tested

Difference is, this time we're going to take this, I really think so, I mean it this time, I think. :-)

There are rational, intelligent, kind, generous, lovely DUers on both sides, and I've enjoyed the discourse immensely. It's incredibly satisfying to, for once in my life, see my first choice poised to win the nomination, though. I am going to work like hell, and I'm feeling great.

Glad to hear you and your family will be there in November. And, your beloved Mariners will take Ken Griffey Jr. back and YOU WILL LIKE IT. :P

I've missed you so much... and I apologize for that Dodgers curse. I probably shouldn't have done that to you. }(

:loveya: ZombyWoof :loveya:

[Zomby Woof]

34. It would beat BONDS any day!

:P

November is a small eternity from now. The longer Bush is in there, the more time stretches. I believe Einstein's formula on relativity applies. :crazy:

My desk countdown calendar says 251 days left of Bush! :bounce:
(oops! edit because in my eagerness I already tore off today's page, lol)


:loveya: VolcanoJen :loveya:

[VolcanoJen]

40. I have a desk calendar AND a wall calendar!!!

251 days until the clock strikes midnight on the east coast. :-)

[Zomby Woof]

46. DODGERS WIN!!!!

The curse is broken! :bounce:

(see my edit in my prior post, lol)

[Andy823]

10. Thank you.

If he would have endorsed Hillary I would have said the same thing you did. I respect him very much for his stand on the change this country needs.

[tkmorris]

4. Andy, love ya man, but you gotta edit that

I had to read it 3 times to make it gel. It's cool, we all post in a hurry sometimes, but edit it to get more replies.

[Andy823]

14. I took care of it.

Thanks.

[cliffordu]

5. Please do not SNORT the kool-aid. The kool-aid is for drinking only.

Thank you for your support.

[Andy823]

7. Correction

That should have been who are "NOW" trashing him. My bad!

[kdmorris]

11. No biggie!

I figured it was something like that.

I agree with the rest of it.

[iamjoy]

12. It's Sour Grapes, Really

I like Edwards (I supported him in 2004 and this time around) and my first reaction to Kerry's endorsement of Obama was anger and bitterness. But then I took a deep breath and rethought it. Whatever negative characteristics I attached to Kerry (back in 2004), lack of integrity was not one of them. I didn't see him as petty either.

But, if you think Edwards is getting nothing out of this, you are naive. Now, getting something out of it doesn't have to be a direct quid pro quo. Perhaps Edwards is shrewd enough to time his endorsement when Obama's winning seems inevitable - no point in boarding a sinking ship. He timed it after the flood of high profile endorsements and when the primary activity is winding down - so it didn't get drowned out by other news stories. He timed it when his endorsement would become the story. All this gets him more media attention for his pet issue - poverty, which is on people's minds right now anyway what with high gas and food prices.

I don't think Edwards is a selfish, manipulative person - but he is a politician. That means he's crafty and going to try to work the system. Also, you don't run for president unless you have a highly inflated ego anyway.

[Andy823]

21. Sure he is getting something.

He is getting a chance to keep his message going about the two Americas, the poor, the need for change in D.C., the need to take on special interest groups and lobbyists, and all the other things that he ran on when he was still in the race.

Could he get a place on Obama's cabinet? I hope so. I think he would be a good addition to any administration, Obama's or Hillary's!

[Marrah_G]

13. Former Edwards supporter- now a Hillary supporter

I still love John. I bear him no ill will for his choice.

All Democrats have a right and obligation to choose for themselves who they think will be the best Candidate.

I think no less of anyone for their choice. I am just glad they are part of the process.

[Gore1FL]

18. I am not trashing him

I am just surprised I came to this conclusion months before he did.

[Andy823]

24. So did I

I guess that means we are pretty intelligent, right?::thumbsup:

[Gore1FL]

29. at least insightful!

[Andy823]

30. That works for me! nt

[saracat]

22. I cannot support his betrayal of his own healthcare plan which is a large part of the reason I

supported him. It makes me suspect all the things he represented. It makes me feel like am idiot to have believed him.

[Andy823]

26. Maybe he didn't

Betray his healthcare plan. I think that John will do his best to get Obama to make some changes in "his"health plan. I also think that Obama will take on many of the other issues that John pushed while he was in the race. I already see Obama talking about things that Edwards was taking on when he was running. Obama talks more about doing something about special interest groups, and lobbyists, so I hope that now Edwards has endorsed him, he can influence him to really make the changes that I felt Edwards would make if he became president.

I also see Hillary has taken on many of the same issues, so I think John has influenced both of them. He made a choice, which I happen to agree with, but if he had backed Hillary, I still would not have changed my view, but I would have respected John, and I would have hoped that he could influence her also to take on all the things that John wanted to change in D.C.

The thing I see is that Edwards has a real chance to help the people of this country by being a part of any democrat administration. I want to see real change and I will always feel that Edwards is the man to make that happen, maybe not as president now, but as a part of the team that takes over in January 2009!

You are not an idiot Sara. I followed your posts when Edwards was still in the race, and I always looked forward to reading what you posted. Your faith in him has not been wasted, and I hope you will see the change he is making by keeping the "real" issues front and center in the GE race.

[saracat]

36. Well, thank you, but I am done. I will know better in the future.

[Andy823]

41. I am sorry to hear that.

I hope you change your mind later on, and I hope that Edwards can show you he is till the man you supported before he dropped out!

[AdHocSolver]

38. To get any healthcare "reform" will require a cooperative Congress. Obama can get that support.

Clinton's negative campaigning was divisive, and not conducive to getting widespread support for her causes. Obama's health care "reform" program is not chiseled in stone. Edward's support of Obama will earn him a say in any programs that Obama proposes.

Hillary lost me early on when, in one of the debates, she said that she would get health care reform "by the end of her second term". Two problems with that statement. One, it assumes that she would get elected for two terms. Second, a second term president is a lame duck president and not likely to have a lot of influence. My conclusion was that she is either politically naive or just trying to put one over on us.

The best system would be a universal single payer health care system modeled after the Canadian system or our own Medicare. My understanding of Edwards' proposals are that he was looking to a multistep process that would lead to that kind of system, but in stages, given the political realities.

The win by a Democrat of a Congressional seat in Mississippi, whose Republican opponent used anti-Obama advertising indicates that Obama would not be a liability down ticket, as I believe Clinton would be. Edwards, who was my first choice very early in this race has now earned some influence with the Obama campaign and that is for the good.

[Swamp Rat]

27. Obama/Edwards 2008

:)

[BlackVelvet04]

31. who gives a fuck who you are ashamed of....

seriously...who the hell are you?

[Andy823]

35. I am someone

Who wants to see this party come together and not be bashing each other all the time. Someone who knows that we have to unite to get this country back on it's feet, and someone who knows that John Edwards will help change this country by keeping the real issues front and center now that he has the chance to do so.

So, who the hell are you?

[BlackVelvet04]

37. Someone who doesn't give a fuck what you think or want. n/t

[Andy823]

39. Great response.

Very mature!

[Forkboy]

42. That's as good as it's going to get.

:)

[Andy823]

43. Yeah,

I kind of figured that!:-)

[dionysus]

47. hey, you wanna call me a "low life piece of shit" again shillbot?

why don't you go back to your piece of shit, poorly designed "capital shill" website and kiss my fucking ass...

[DU GrovelBot]

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44. Former Edwardite switched Obama here, time to unite and take back the people's house

[Andy823]

45. And this country.

Edwards can help get the changes we need, and I look forward to him having some kind of a place in Obama's administration.