After Hillary supporters have been called every name in the book......

[Darth_Kitten]

psychotic, demented, stupid, crazed, elitist, racist, etc, etc, etc....what will be the strategy needed to actually keep them in the Democratic party?

Not that they have been made to feel unnecessary and unwanted, of course. :eyes:

[FredScuttle]

1. How about "vote for the fucking Democratic nominee in the GE"

plain enough for you?

[OzarkDem]

37. Even if its Hillary?

Will you?

[NOLALady]

38. Of course, I will.

[myrna minx]

119. I would still run to the polls if it was Hillary.

We cannot afford a McCain administration.

[WA98070]

143. Hillary cannot be the "Democratic" Nominee. She'd be the "Un-democratic" nominee...

She's trying to figure out how the Supreme Court can appoint her.

[Texas Hill Country]

181. way to fan the flames... we appreciate your efforts.

[FredScuttle]

161. It won't be Hillary

n/t

[mkultra]

179. yup, crazy is better than fricking crazy.

[Warren DeMontague]

203. Absolutely. If it's Obama, will you? nt

[MonkeyFunk]

41. Smart people would realize

that votes are only a part of it. Our active support, our money... all important. It was stupid to allow so much hate to enter this.

[bbgrunt]

51. who let the dogs out, who who?

[JuniperLea]

129. Wish I could rec a post...

This sums it up concisely and thoroughly.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

205. Yeah, Obama's having such a hard time attracting donors and volunteers right now.

Whatever will he do if the Hillary people don't help him?!? :sarcasm:

[JVS]

79. brilliant!

[roguevalley]

113. I agree totally, fred. How about your kid will be drafted in McCain's

endless wars, you tool? How about getting in line with the rest of us who wanted someone else and doing the adult thing?

[anonymous171]

2. Ideals will keep them, not petty grudges. I would expect my fellow Obama supporters to do the same.

[chascarrillo]

11. As pissed off as I've been at Clinton's campaign, there's way I wouldn't vote for the Dem in the GE.

Way, way too much is at stake.

[mac2]

15. We say that every election and the party gives it away to

Republicans. Why would I expect less with this one? Same people in Congress. Same leaders in the party.

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[countingbluecars]

4. If they are truly Democrats

they won't desert the party.

[mac2]

7. You hope they enjoy being abused and betrayed?

[countingbluecars]

24. No. I hope they will do what is

best for the country. Much is at stake in this election. It is much bigger than individual egos.

[roguevalley]

117. this is not about them. this is about the country. if they don't

vote for Obama, McCain will abuse and betray them daily. and who cares about their damned feelings?!
No one cared about the Kucinich et al people and they soldiered on. God, if people would just grow up.

[mac2]

5. and fool.

Not much.

[Mz Pip]

6. Vote for the candidate

not his supporters. I haven't heard any of those words coming from Obama to describe Hillary.

THere are plenty of low lifes supporting each of the candidates.

It might also be helpful to spend a few minutes actually visualizing John McCain in the White House.

[mac2]

10. It's not just the supporters it's the party leaders too.

[chascarrillo]

8. Free lattes for all!

If the reverse was true, what would you suggest to get Obama voters to vote for a hypothetical Clinton in the GE, after being called sexist, elitist, cultish, Birkenstock-wearing kool-aid/latte drinkers?

[otohara]

18. Only If They Join Our Cult

stop the drama, vote Obama.

[Major Hogwash]

39. Free ponies.

Hell, I'd even vote for that.
Doesn't even have to be a good one.

[BayouBengal07]

9. That's just been on DU

You think the average HRC supporter hangs out on the internet on Democratic messageboards where they endure the wrath of hyper Obama supporters?

[mac2]

12. I would hope DU belongs to someone beside Obama.

If not I won't support it any longer.

[BayouBengal07]

17. When did I say Obama "owned" DU?

All I was implying was that particularly partisan supporters throw slings and arrows at each other on this board. Obama supporters have been called cultist, Hillary supporters desperate.

Christ, get the stick out of your ass.

[mac2]

22. Exactly what we mean.

You said no self respecting Hillary fan would be on DU. Then you put your insult at the end.

[BayouBengal07]

What?

[hayu_lol]

13. Geez, I didn't realize till now that Obama supporters...

were members of the Democratic Party. They certainly haven't acted like it.

They collectively made their beds...let them sleep in them.

[mac2]

19. Those who sleep with dogs wake up with fleas is the message

here?

[CatnHat]

145. that about sums it up---

Obama and his supporters do not act like members of the Democratic party; now it's come down to criticizing segments of voters. What a shame from a campaign that professes unity. When the Obama campaign and the leaders of the democratic party get away with slamming voters, calling them racist for not voting for him; then it's time wrap it up. As far as many are concerned, the election is over--who gives a shit anymore.

Calling people racists, calling hard working middle class stupid; where is the democratic party that once stood for all segments, the Obama camp and his supporters are doing their best to turn this primary and election into nothing more than race, elitism and condescending attitudes toward anyone who is not behind them. I want no part of it--as many of my friends. We are done.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

196. Yeah, like all us Move On activists who SUPPORTED Bill throughout the impeachment

We're not Democrats or anything. Meanwhile, so-called "Dems" who have been voting Repuke since Reagan, and can't bring themselves to vote for a Black candidate are the real deal. :eyes:

Sleep in your own bed.

[MonkeyFunk]

42. Not just DU

Plenty of prominent Obama supporters have treated Clinton and her supporters like shit.

[Jamastiene]

60. Yup.

It's been overly hateful, more than just Democrats in a primary. There's some element of revenge or mutiny or just plain outright hatred involved in this season. IMHO, anyhow.

[Forkboy]

62. You wrote earlier today that "O-bots" jerked off to rape and torture videos.

Somehow, your words about outright hatred ring a bit hollow after that.

[Jamastiene]

66. Y'all have earned it.

With as many pictures I have seen of Hillary in bondage and as many references to killing her (either by beheading or comparing her life to a horse) as I have seen by 0bots, I have every right to point it out. The facts are the facts on that. You cannot deny it.

[Forkboy]

67. Just as you cannot deny that you are just as full of that hatred you claim to be against.

Making you a flaming hypocrite.

Thanks for playing.

[Jamastiene]

68. Bullshit.

I had no hatred before all of that was allowed. Now, what's good for the gander is good for the goose. I have every right to despise people who find it funny to demean women.

[Forkboy]

71. Of course your hatred is justified....

[Tyler Durden]

95. Damned right it's justified.

This whole primary has been a litany of excuses as to why it's OK to minimize

Women
GLBT people
Atheists
Poor and uneducated people
Non-people of color
Supporters of other Candidates
Non supporters of the anointed one

Just what did you expect? You don't accept this? Fine. Then do without the support you so desperately need: all you have to have for McCain to sweep in a LANDSLIDE is 1 of 16 Clinton Supporters to just NOT VOTE. They don't even have to cross the line, just not vote.

You have a bona fide DISASTER coming down the tracks right at you, and you're arguing about your desire to keep standing there.

[MediaBabe]

101. Damn! I wish I could rec a single post.

How much simpler do you have to put it to get them to understand they've gone to far? We've pleaded for weeks to stop the hate before Democrats lose every hope of gaining the White House this year to no avail. Every time the reply was another rampage of posts as to why they hate her and her supporters even more today than yesterday.

[Forkboy]

103. Uh...Ok, sport.

Try the decaf.

[lumpy]

182. check and double check

all of the above

[greguganus]

85. Bullshit back.

You had the hatred before all this was allowed, you just needed a nudge to spew it.

[eridani]

75. Any examples that haven't been alerted on and expunged ASAP? n/t

[lumberjack_jeff]

148. Here's a fairly mild one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x132528#132589

When someone says that the behavior of Hillary's supporters is no different from Obama supporters, I'm skeptical. I don't really think I'd like the squishy sound that Obama would make if run down by a train.

[roguevalley]

118. go away.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

178. When did all this happen?

I would have alerted on anything like that.

[JVS]

84. Wow. What a fucked up thing to post!

[Forkboy]

105. Apparently, her hatred is ok.

Like a Republican they can excuse their failings while pointing them out in others.

[cali]

76. bull. And it's certainly a fact that quite a few HIll supporters

have treated Obama and his supporters poorly. Judas, anyone?

[TexasObserver]

14. a six month supply of crying towels, and a vase to hold their bitter tears?

I'm trying to remember a time in Democratic party history when the losers in the nominating process were such self absorbed babies about losing.

Nope, can't recall a single time.

At some point, you have to ask yourself if you're an adult, and if you can make your important decisions based upon more than whether someone somewhere has hurt your feelings by saying something you didn't like.

[AtomicKitten]

34. Perhaps a velvet Crown Royal bag to hold the bitter tears?

[Forkboy]

16. Seen just as many names go the other way.

If you're this thin-skinned than politics may not be the best choice of an interest. You're an adult. You are fully aware of the consequences. What you decide to do is totally your choice, but don't blame your actions in the voting booth on the meanness of random strangers online. If you do than the real problem lies with your character, not that of the idiots online that have bothered you so.

[grasswire]

20. yeah, it was "Hillary fucktards" tonight right here on DU

That helps a lot.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

48. quit whining, that is what the alert button is for

it works both ways.

[grasswire]

55. yes, and I used it.

You're quite a uniter yourself, eh?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

56. I get sick of people complaining about things that DU rules take care of

so many people never read the rules, and they whine when someone posts something
offensive.

Perhaps you just prefer to complain all of the time.

You think you are the only person to have seen something offensive here?

[Tyler Durden]

96. Keep it up. Let that bridge smolder.

Soon there won't be anything you can do that will mend the Schism.

And what is weird...I'm starting to really get off on it.

Schisms breed new parties and political systems. Let the split widen.

[Forkboy]

149. "I'm starting to really get off on it."

'nuff said.

[Dhalgren]

160. I agree Tyler. When the members of a party become so

self destructive, it is a clear sign that the party has exceeded its usefulness. The Democratic Party is becoming so unrecognizable and so out of line with so many of its core constituencies that at least one new party seems called for...

[Jamastiene]

61. Not really. That's a myth. n/t

[Fresh_Start]

21. honestly, they shouldn't have to vote for Obama if they don't want

but it would be foolish to the extreme not to hold either the Congress or the White House.

Personally, I'd rather have a competent Congress but thats probably too much of a stretch for the lily-livered elected representatives. So I think that Obama's the best chance (but I'd rather have a competent Congress)

[NewHampshireDem]

23. Have you been to Hillary is 44?

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=617#comment-161239

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=617#comment-161332

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=617#comment-161362

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=617#comment-161373

http://www.hillaryis44.org/?p=617#comment-161560

Here's the Manning they are talking about so adoringly:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=khuu-RhOBDU

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ejTmistHFw0

I dare you to watch them. I couldn't.

[Erin Elizabeth]

141. Oh. My. God.

That guy CANNOT be for real. I noticed the people behind him were hesitant to even nod much and one woman just stood there. Sure didn't sound like there were more than ten people in that room.

That guy is pretty sick.

[cyndensco]

155. I think he is for real.

He has probably lived his life in total obscurity and has seized this opportunity for his 15 minutes. He is an embarrassment.

[anonymous171]

202. Manning loves Alan Keyes. That should give him away.

[rpannier]

25. A few of things I hope they do take into account

1. Not every Obama supporter was insulting. It was a heated campaign and there are some people who say incredibly boorish and stupid things. (But, this happens on both sides)
The dumbest thing I've heard an Obama person say was, "After the primary they should kick her out of the party." Like this will attract new voters and it wouldn't cause her supporters to go elsewhere (and they would be justified in doing so if the Party did something that stupid)

2. It was not Sen Obama who referred to you as crazy, demented, stupid, etc for supporting her instead of him.

3. What is the most important thing this year... Winning the White House or holding a grudge? I would have expected Obama supporters to support Clinton if she were the nominee and we'd expect the same of her supporters. Is four more years of mcbush worth it?
Hopefully, the answer to this has been made clear over the past 7 years.

4. Obama and Clinton will make nice in the interest of the Party. We should do the same.

As I stated two months ago, "I'm an Edwards supporter. I am supporting the nominee of this Party the same as he is."

[thewiseguy]

26. and Hillary supporters have not called us names?

[stillcool]

27. I don't get it...

I really loathe many of the things I read on the internet, but why would I ascribe one person's words to anyone other than the person who is using those words? Am I supposed to hold you responsible because some person that supports Hillary Clinton called me a bitch? And am I supposed to threaten you with my vote?

[crankychatter]

28. it's the fucking internet - get some skin

or register republican

frankly, Charlotte...

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[lumberjack_jeff]

139. Apropos.

you are viewing
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[MethuenProgressive]

147. Now the intentional insult to all Clinton supporters is in all our posts, too..

-> after Hillary supporters have been called every name in the book
---> DON'T DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND!

[lumberjack_jeff]

153. Can you please clarify? n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

169. The grovelbot thing was placed into all our posts earlier, replacing our avatars

Gone now, thankfully.

[Moochy]

30. we can afford to lose 400 or so wolves in sheeps clothing

We can make some nice Obama sweaters out of your sheepskins.

[leftofcool]

58. Try about 17 million

[Moochy]

59. Hillary Supporters are better than your type of Clinton supporter

I believe that Hillary supporters are better than the insane clown posse posters for clinton here at dU.

Your post is yet another sad case of an HRC supporter projecting your own fears onto others who are more brave than you could ever be.
They are the true Democrats, the Clinton, Edwards, Kucinich, Biden, Richardson and Obama Supporters who don't have inflated egos.

Hillary will support Obama, and her democratic supporters will follow.

The rest can go bleep themselves, you included if you wont vote for him.

[dchill]

126. You count as accurately as Clinton does!

Your implication, however, is absurd.

[lumberjack_jeff]

140. You're disagreeing with the observation that 17 million people

voted for Hillary in this primary?

[Catherina]

151. His/her point is that most of the 17 million people who voted for HRC are NOT idiots

what exactly is yours?

[lumberjack_jeff]

152. Anyone who believes that only 400 voters have been alienated by Obama's supporters

... should not lecture anyone about math.

[Catherina]

173. Your logic is... incomprehensible.

:shrug:

[dchill]

163. No, I'm disagreeing with your implication that the OP is correct...

and that 17,000,000 Democrats "have been made to feel unnecessary and unwanted, of course." Of course.

[EFerrari]

31. Bookmarking.

[Swamp Rat]

201. YOU'RE ALL DEAD TO ME!!!

:rofl:



This thread is hilarious! :rofl:

[sfam]

32. Personally, I feel very sad for those wedded to their candidate when its clear they will not win...

If people are truly dedicated and truly believe in their cause, its sort of gut wrenching to know that all those supporters will be heartbroken. But this is sort of the nature of the game. To us a sports analogy, one team's fans in the Superbowl are gonna leave the game far more depressed than if they had never made it that far.

Biden fans may be slightly upset (he was my first choice prior to Obama), but Clinton fans are gonna be devastated (most already are). While the pain may not leave, hopefully the vast majority will recover and cast their votes in November for the issues they care most deeply about.

[MediaBabe]

102. The vast majority will vote for America

But that votemay not go the way Obama supporters think it will.

Like it was said before, if 1 in 16 Hillary supporterts sit this one out, not vote for someone else but just sit it out, and 15 out of 16 vote for Obama, McCain will win in a landslide.

15 in 16. That's the vast majority. But it's a damn close election, as have been the past two elections. And still today there are posts being made to throw out of the Democratic Party all those who prefer Hillary no matter how they intend to vote.

[cornermouse]

172. It's not just about "winning".

It's about voting your conscience.

[casus belli]

33. So why are they deserving of this special pandering that you speak of?

The poo was flung from both sides, there shouldn't need to be any apologies. We're all grown ups here - they're either Democrats or they're not. It's their choice to make. I don't think special treatment is warranted or deserved.

[Darth_Kitten]

36. Not special treatment.......

but are the people flinging the mud going to do a 180 degree turn and encourage the same people they were slamming to come running back into the fold?
It's over now, let's all be bestest buds now? :shrug:

[casus belli]

43. That is EXACTLY why...

I haven't allowed myself to take the campaign personally - because I knew there was a good chance Hillary would be the Democrat on the ballot. I wouldn't need someone to convince me to vote for Hillary, I have already accepted that it would need to be done. Hillary on her WORST day is better than McCain on his best. I wouldn't expect Hillary supporters to try to sell me on a Hillary ticket because I'm already there and onboard if it happens.

[DearAbby]

35. Playing Lieberman are we?

Want us to beg for your votes? If you are a Democrat, no begging would be needed...I rest my case.

[Gore1FL]

40. What campaign offical called them those things?

[Butch350]

44. After Hillary supporters have been called every name in the book

...AND a few of them truly DESERVED it!

[Enrique]

45. the Democratic party didn't call anyone names

[Beausoir]

46. He'll just call us "sweetie" and we'll all swoon.

[greguganus]

87. Who, Bill? n/t

[mac2]

176. I agree. I just don't get the swoon thing.

[JasonHill]

47. Perhaps all sides should stop living their lives through political candidates

and try to make sober rational decisions about how power will be applied in this country.

[Forkboy]

50. That's way too rational. You'll never cut it here in GD-P.

:)

[Texasgal]

49. Why do you need a strategy?

Voting for a Democrat should be enough???

[Domingo Moore]

52. Polls suggest Clinton supporters back Obama over McCain

Obama leads McCain in all polls. He wouldn't lead if it weren't for the support of Clinton supporters.

[rodeodance]

53. Those who....

"live' outside of DU -and read and listen and interact-understand your OP and its broader implications for the Democratic Party. There is much
written about the new Democratic Party-its realignment. Keith Olbermann is emblematic of the constant dissing of a large segment of the voters who may not feel the need to join in 'new' party which has effectively done away with them.

[cui bono]

54. When will everyone realize that an internet message board comment doesn't mean much.

Come on... it's not about you and your feelings being hurt by words posted on an internet message board.

You need to look at the big picture and why we need a Dem in the White House. This is bigger than you. I hope you are big enough to realize it.

[greguganus]

89. Clinton and her supporters should start a new party. The Pity Party. n/t

[TheDonkey]

57. FAUXRAGE is all the RAGE!

[meow mix]

63. like geraldine ferraro? racists arent going to support obama.

they can go to hell

[Beacool]

64. Frankly, the only reason why I won't switch to Independent

is because my state has closed primaries and I want to be able to vote for other Dems. in the future. As far as this election goes, it's over for me once Hillary withdraws from the race.

[Moochy]

65. McCain wins by one vote

Appoints 2-3 more conservative supreme court justices...

But at least you didn't have to vote for Obama!!

Beacool Kyle

[cyndensco]

156. oh well....

[Arugula Latte]

69. Well, we deluded naive latte-sipping elite sexist cultists will have to think about that.

[still_one]

70. It is quite simple, vote for what is best for you, your family, and your country in the GE

[B Calm]

72. and I believed it was Hillary that was throwing the mud. . . . . . .

can't trust my lying eyes. . . . . .

[VotesForWomen]

73. they don't need us, don't you know. O's going to win with repukes and independents!

[Eurobabe]

74. Seems to me that they've hurled enough shit in the Obama direction

as well. Maybe if they are lucky we will deign to allow them vote for Barack.

(just kidding of course) :eyes:

[greguganus]

90. Guess more shit sticks to Hill supporters than O supporters. n/t

[Eurobabe]

99. I think it has more to do with

a certain type of victim mentality that I see and hear from Hillary's supporters. Flows from the top on down, the Big Dawg ya know...

which is why I don't want any more Clintons in the White House, I listened to that shit for 6 years. It took two years before their true personalities emerged. JMHO/YMMV. I llived in DC during the worst of the Lewinsky bullshit, it was all anyone talked about. :eyes:

[bowens43]

77. It's their choice. I fully expect many of them to vote for McCain.

[Perry Logan]

78. Who would have thought that endless smears and bullshit accusations would fail to win them over?

[cyndensco]

157. The endless smears and bullshit accusations worked both ways.

Their/your? candidate lost - now WE have to kiss their asses?

[shadowknows69]

80. Here's my strategy

HE'S THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE!!!!!

That should do it for the ones who are for the party and not just their egos.

[cornermouse]

94. IF... you're an informed voter and not imature, you'd know that

it's not about the parties, it's about the issues. Even the parties get it wrong from time to time.

[shadowknows69]

100. I agree

So can you tell me where McCain comes down on the issues better than Obama?

[Forkboy]

111. Kick for an answer, because some seem to think this is actaully the case.

[cornermouse]

167. I don't think McCain is better.

I think we'll eventually find out that they're pretty much the same.

[Medusa]

81. It's Hillary who decided to split the Democratic party

the Hillbots just gleefully followed her, right over the edge of the cliff.

[JVS]

82. What, do you want to get John McCained or something?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlbd_79M92M

[Ganja Ninja]

83. I'm not so sure all of her supporters around here are in the

Democratic party. There are some who post nowhere else but GDP and offer nothing but flame bait. I don't doubt there's more than a couple of "operation chaos" trolls around here.

[burythehatchet]

86. Vote McCane. We will have the president we deserve.

[Spider Jerusalem]

88. Called every name in the book by whom?

A few anonymous people on an Internet discussion forum?

If you're so thin-skinned that you're going to let THAT determine whether or not you actually remain in the Democratic Party, rather than the fact that (one imagines) it better represents your values and ideals than the Republican Party (which is, let's face it, the only other viable party in the current American political landscape), then by all means, go, and take your ego with you.

[JTFrog]

91. BITCH! BRAV-F*CKING-O!

:eyes:

[Orsino]

92. Very few of them have dropped by DU, and most of them, I presume...

...had more class and intelligence than to mistake the slurs of a few hotheads for the Democratic Party itself.

Or have you noticed a mass exodus from the Dems?

[cornermouse]

93. Nothing.

The Obama supporters have done exactly what the religious right did during the Reagan years; that is, split the party.

[Vinca]

97. Hmmm . . . I seem to recall being called a cult member, over and over

and over and over again. I've been accused of blind worship, being a traitor to my gender, being nuts, stupid and in love with an empty suit. All on DU. So I say to any Hillary supporters who have hurt feelings, it works both ways. I would have sucked it up for Hillary to save the Supreme Court, end the war and get healthcare for all. I expect you to do the same.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

98. I'm a delegate for her going to the State Convention. Obama lost about 7% apportionment of delegates

at our Congressional Convention because a good number of his delegates/alternates were no shows.

We seated every single one of Clinton's delegates and alternates. Most of us were there an hour or more before the registration started.

We all know how to keep on keeping on. Many grassroots, long time Democratic activists, congressional members, etc are representing Sen. Clinton as delegates.

Former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb is a major Clinton supporter, as well. PS, he's AA, FWIW.

We had 230 plus delegates for her in our small district, alone.

What I see in real life contradicts the calls for her to leave the race. What I don't see in real life is hatred, vitriol and contempt toward her, as well as death threats, which is the norm here. The Obama campaign staff and delegates are respectful to us, as we are to them. I guess the folks posting attacks and hateful rants against her, here, all day, every day, are pretty much tied to their computers, rather than out and about in the political community.

I'm sure I'll get flamed, here, again, because I dare to be politically active in my support of her, but it doesn't faze me, anymore.

I'm getting used to being attacked for being a longtime, liberal Democrat at DU. It's the new way.

[Jamastiene]

108. I wish this was an OP...

so I could Recommend it.

Well Said. :thumbsup:

[lumpy]

183. Bleeding heart, you are a breath of fresh air. Thank you for

posting this and also for being an active party loyalist. I hope the people who have dissd you will turn around and realize that negativity towards party loyalists is destructive to the party as a whole.

[Texas Hill Country]

104. i cant count how many times I have been told I am not a Dem and to get out of the party....

[lumpy]

184. People like that are not truly democratic nor true Democrats.

v

[BlooInBloo]

106. Supporting the Democratic nominee, or not, is solely your decision...

You're not extorting any thing from me.

[Occam Bandage]

107. I dunno. Why are you asking a bunch of sexist, egghead, lazy, selfish, naive kool-aid drinkers?

[redqueen]

110. Your answer is better than mine.

I've had it with this drama party bullshit today. I usually have a higher tolerance.

[lumpy]

185. I have heard that as you sow so shall you reap.

x

[Lone_Star_Dem]

115. You forgot cultish.

Keep that up and we'll be taking back your robe.

[redqueen]

109. Feelings? 4000 dead military... God knows how many dead Iraqis... and you want to talk about your

FUCKING FEELINGS?!

:puke:

[Forkboy]

112. These people are the biggest babies. "Stroke my ego!"

Stupid shits need to grow up or get the hell out of politics.

[redqueen]

114. Exactly!

Fucking hell... have we REALLY not had enough of this "poor us" bullshit yet?

Really?

[lumpy]

186. Can't you write anything without using fuck , bullshit etc ?

x

[ShortnFiery]

122. Reminds me of young children before they learn "the give and take" of team sports?

Really, this "feigned indignation" is like a five year old threatening to hold their breath UNLESS you do what they want.

It's not only un-becoming, it's also behavior that's distinctly un-sportsmanlike and un-professional.

Can we say THUG/MOB RULE? :grr:

[ShortnFiery]

116. Hey, NO MERCY. The hard-core ones are already lost to McCain. The objective ones will come over

with empathy and warm regards.

However, right now - it's still WAR! Don't let your gurad down - if you show your soft belly of empathy and give an inch, HRC and her supporters will figuratively GUT US like a fish. :wow:

[lumpy]

187. Paranoic

x

[JVS]

120. If you think the name calling has gone through the book now, just see what you get called when...

you decide to help McCain and not support the nominee.

[merh]

121. WAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

God help us, would you people grow up and stop pretending to be victims.

It's not about you, it's not about Hillary, it is about our nation, our children's futures - reclaiming our government. I can't stand the thought of my nieces and nephews fighting in unending wars - can you?

And to take my petty shot at the likes of you and hillary supporters, you have called obama folks nasty enough names so you don't have any room to talk. Now stop with the childish behavior, stop playing the victim and grow up and vote the rat bastards that are destroying our nation out of office.

[ShortnFiery]

124. OR do whatever the Hell you think is right. *** JUST STOP THE WHINING!***

Geese, this is just pathetic. :thumbsdown:

[merh]

130. exactly

n/t

[DS1]

123. If they need a "strategy" to keep them in the party, then they can go get fucked RIGHT NOW!

Really! Fuck off if you need that sort of ego-stroke.

[DefenseLawyer]

125. This is why eyewitness testimony is the least reliable evidence

This is really how you have seen the primary season? That Hillary and her supporters have fought the noble fight and all Obama supporters have done is call you names? Come on now. A little objectivity will improve your memory.

[JuniperLea]

127. Look around...

Apparently the "brilliant" people who did all those things feel that a continuation of the same beatings will continue until you snivel and beg forgiveness.

I'm so very, very happy I didn't join either camp after Edwards dropped out.

[DS1]

131. snivel and beg forgiveness?

That's ludicrous. Just get on board with the Dem nominee. Nobody is asking for more, or less.

[JuniperLea]

132. I've never supported Hillary or Obama

Take the blinders off. I've always been on board for the Dem nominee.

If the Obama supporters only ask for Dem support, they should back the fuck off and treat people with respect... that would include actually reading what they post instead of interjecting bullshit like you just did.

[FatDave]

128. I made a post about this a couple weeks ago.

But I can't find it because advanced search is turned off. But my points were:

1. It went both ways.
2. Don't hold a candidate accountable for the actions of some anonymous supporters on the internets.
3. You chose to come into GD:P knowing full well what goes on here.

We were all verbally assaulted by a minority of supporters on either side. There are assholes everywhere, but they are especially loud, bold, and prolific on the internet.

I'm sorry that you were offended, but so was I, so was everyone.

(Edited because I never remember that GD:P wants to be a smiley)

[JuniperLea]

133. I think the point is...

No one seems to want to take the high road and be the first to just let the whole thing go and carry on to the real business at hand.

[FatDave]

166. I've seen people trying.

Quite a few actually. The problem is that there is still a handful of provocateurs on both sides, and provocation awakens old feelings in many who would otherwise let bygones be bygones. But things are improving enough for me to be optimistic.

And despite common sense and presumption, this primary is still not over officially. Once it is over officially, I think the healing will pick up its pace. Sure, there may be a week of gloating/whining, but once the McCain vs. Obama contest starts in earnest, we'll come together.

[CaptJasHook]

134. How about the strategy of everyone taking a deep breath

Accepting their part in the Bruhaha, apologizing, forgiving, realizing what we have in common, remembering who the real enemy is and moving on together to destroy the Republicans in the General.

With some exceptions we have all been unkind to each other. I hope I don't need to point out the Kool Aid references, the attacks on the young voters, the belittling of activists, etc.

We all have a lot of bruises from this process.

[hokies4ever]

135. Call them traitors if they leave the Dem Party

it's just another name. :rofl:

[SoonerPride]

136. Pretty please with sugar on top.

You can call me sugar.

[lumberjack_jeff]

137. The Emily Litella defense.

Oh! So you're democrats too? Well then that's entirely different. Nevermind.

[Erin Elizabeth]

138. The ignore tool.

It's a wonderful tool that the admins of DU have put in place if people would like to utilize it.

I know I had to start using it after I got tired of being called sexist, misogynist and being accused of hating women for the ten millionth time just because I don't support Clinton.

DU and life in general is a lot nicer when you can have discussions with people who really want to have discussions and not have to deal with all the noise of insults and hateful behavior.

Of course that's just addressing things at DU. As for the election, that's really up to each individual person. If Hillary supporters hold on so long and so hard to their hatred that we end up with McCain, well, I'll be honest--it won't be something I'll quickly forget. It won't be something history will forget, either. Cutting off your nose to spite your face, that's what it is.

If Hillary had been the nominee, you can bet your ass I'd be voting for her over McCain in November.

Honestly I think what it's going to take is---this primary season needs to end. The GE season needs to begin. Once Hillary supporters really get to see what we'll have to suffer under starting in November if they stay home, I think things will get better. Because we really don't need eight more years of Bush policies. The world doesn't need it and can't take it.

[nadinbrzezinski]

142. Silly season is over... and yes it gets silly

but if they think about THEIR future, they will vote for a dem in November, even if like me, they hold their noses while doing it

After all the two coming out of the contest were centrists.

[Erin Elizabeth]

144. I guess I might as well

add on what I'm thinking while I'm at it.

I've been really amazed at the level of cognitive dissonance I've seen in Hillary supporters in the last few months. It's a level of it that I've previously only seen in die-hard republicans who support bush and the war. They HAD to adopt that level of detachment from the facts in order to continue supporting what they supported.

And it's been disheartening to see it in my own party. But like someone said here on DU a long time ago, "left ugly is just as ugly as right ugly, just looks different."

Ain't that the truth? I've been amazed at the sheer level of hostility and anger coming from Clinton's campaign and her supporters. I've been amazed to be accused of being sexist, when I've never in my entire life been assused of or suspected of such a thing. Ever.

I've been amazed at the mental gymnastics Hillary supporters have to put themselves through to convince themselves they are 100% right and that Clinton is 100% right.

And there's the belief in complete victimization, that Hillary is a victim! It's amazing. I've seen women here say that reading posts on DU is like being raped, like being beaten by an abused spouse, which totally trivializes actual abuse victims.

As a woman, I've been embarrassed by all this. Clinton couldn't seem to run standing on her own two feet, she had to be sold as a Buy One Get One Free with Bill as the bonus. That was offensive. Her supporters couldn't just support her because they felt she was the better candidate, it had to be all about her gender. That was embarrassing. And any woman who didn't support her must be a traitor, which reveals a distinct lack of critical thinking. That was embarrassing. Come on, women. We're better than that. A woman can run for president who doesn't act like a little tyrant, who doesn't tolerate her surrogates talking about how many balls she has, a woman can run for president on her own two feet, without ever having been married to a president. And we don't have to call each other sexist just to get a vote. That's crazy. A woman can run for president without gunning down people with one hand and holding the other up to her forehead crying about how incredibly victimized she is. That's super crazy. Unhealthy. Immature. No class.

I hope the next woman who runs, whoever she is and where ever she is out there, learns a lot from having watched this campaign and doesn't make the same huge mistakes Hillary made. I hope this future woman's supporters don't tear down other women in their quest to get her in the White House.

[MethuenProgressive]

146. "Obama supporters unwise to attack Hillary Clinton"

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2004411946_harrop14.html

Obamites are throwing victory parties over the impending defeat of a fellow Democrat who has thus far pulled in more than 47 percent of their party's primary and caucus participants. Some take a more direct approach. In anticipation of the West Virginia primary, college students for Obama were hurling insults at farmers and truck drivers holding signs for Clinton.

Disrespecting the nearly 17 million who have supported Clinton is politically unwise, but turning them into "the enemy" is insane. Last week's enemy was working-class white people. The Democrats can win without a majority of white voters — as Obama strategists undiplomatically note — but they can't win without a strong showing among them. So Obama partisans do not help their cause by willfully misrepresenting Clinton's reference to "hard-working Americans, white Americans" as racist rather than as a poorly worded observation made in a state of utter exhaustion. The fervor of their outrage suggests that some regard the mere consideration of white people, particularly white men, as a demographic needing a special message is an act of bigotry. (That's as opposed to a thousand other racial and socio-economic groups that politicos routinely slice and dice.)

We now hear pained remarks from the Obama camp that many white men won't vote for any black. Oh really? No one was complaining during the early races in Iowa, Maryland, Virginia and Wisconsin, when most of the white male participants backed Obama. That was before the Rev. Jeremiah Wright ugliness became public. Weirdly, Obamite triumphalism seems to be merging with the festivities on the Republican side. You can understand why the right would welcome what it prays is "the end of the Clinton era." Bill Clinton presided over the longest peacetime expansion since World War II. His budget surpluses put his so-called conservative predecessors and successor to shame. Wouldn't a vow to build on the Clinton legacy, rather than dismantle it, be a better tack for the Obama campaign?

Obama can't beat John McCain without large chunks of Clinton's core constituency: women, Hispanics and the white working class. Dumping on their candidate is one step removed from dumping on them — and some of the Obama people don't even bother with that step. Rove must be enjoying the show.

[ampad]

150. Once again

Gaging the entire country by what people say on the fucking DU, priceless. May I suggest you get out more and leave the internets to those who are mentally capable of taking a dig on the net and keep it moving? This isn't even about Hillary supporters being "mistreated" because if it were you would ask that the shit stop on both sides but I see a massive number of Hillary supporters on this board demanding that their asses be kissed or else. For the record, no one is going to kiss their asses because they are grown fucking adults. If you cannot take what is said to you on the internets with a grain of salt then you probably aren't over the age of 18 which means your not able to vote. Are you allowed to vote in this country? See I can do the eyes too. :eyes:

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

154. nevermind

Poster has decided what ALL Clinton supporters think, feel and do, and is hardly open minded.

:shrug:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

158. Every name in the book? Really?

"Pigfuckers" got used?

[DS1]

164. Sorry 'bout that

:blush:

[book_worm]

159. yes, and you people haven't called Obama supporters names, too like "cultists"?

If you don't vote for the Democratic nominee in November and help allow McCain to win then you're not a true democrat. I dislike Clinton and her campaign but would vote for her in a minute over McCain. So what do you want, somebody to beg you to vote for the nominee? Ok, pretty please with sugur on it.

[RainDog]

162. How about realizing that people here are not the democratic party?

this is pretty simple to me.

Your argument is based upon flame wars on an internet site. You stay with the Democratic party b/c of its platform and plans to govern. Or you don't. Pretty simple. Anyone who looks at an internet site with anonymous posters who may or may not actually support any candidate as a guide for voting decisions isn't necessarily engaging in critical thinking.

Someone can choose to be in or stay out of gd-p. GD-P really has nothing to do with either candidate.

[totodeinhere]

165. If they are good Democrats they will realize that all kinds of things are said in...

primary campaigns but in the end they have to suck it up and support their party's nominee, whoever that might be. And they certainly shouldn't abandon the party because of things that were said on an Internet message board.

[Dr Fate]

168. McCain needs you as much as Obama does. Your choice. n/t

n/t

[MethuenProgressive]

170. That's Tantrum Mode, per the Pocket Guide.

[Dr Fate]

171. No-"Tantrum mode" was when the DLCers supported Lieberman- or when...

...Dean supporters voted for Nader.

The reality is you can either support the DEM or not.

If that fact means that *I'm* the one who is throwing a tantrum, then so be it.

I never knew that supporting the DEM amounted to "tantrum mode."

[MattBaggins]

174. How about Hillary supporters admit to using those words

and apologize for it. Obama supporters do the same, then we all get together and use those words against McCain supporters.

[Hansel]

175. I was a Dean supporter who was called every name in the book in 2004.

I got over it. If they care about the country, they will too.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

177. Obama supporters were called elitist, sexist, kool-aid drinkers, etc.

Don't be so one-sided.

[Shakespeare]

180. As an Edwards supporter who's watched the shit being slung in both directions....

...I'll just say that neither side should feel more victimized than the other. Hillary supporters have been pretty nasty, too.

Hell, nasty stuff was said about Edwards supporters, too--I got over it. Y'all should, too.

[Basement Beat]

188. I don't understand it....

Everyday there are several threads from Clinton supporters stating that Obama supporters have been vile and evil. That we need to shape up and act right. That we are going to need their support.

What I fail to understand is why have all the nasty dirty words being said by Clinton supporters have ALWAYS been tossed aside. Like it just didn't happen. I'm frankly getting quite tired of seeing these threads every single day! Its just the constant hypocritical whining that just annoys me to no end. Obama supporters were called horrible names for several months! Does no one realize this??

[iconicgnom]

189. "sticks and stones will ..." Jeez, grow up.

[ampad]

190. Listen Here

Darth Kitty cat or whatever the hell you go around calling yourself. Don't you ever PM me with a nasty messages and then disable your PM as not to receive a response for you hatefulness you immature coward. You got a problem with me responding to your post then put me on ignore. Don't ever PM me again coward.

[ampad]

191. Kick

:kick:

[quaker bill]

192. If you want to become a Republican

I am sure that they will welcome you. It is a free country (well it sorta used to be anyway).

That is the damn thing about it, ultimately, you get to make the call. Of course, with this freedom comes the responsibility for your actions.

Personally, I can only think of two times in the last 35 years of voting that the candidate I most favored got the Democratic Party nomination for President. However, I have never voted for a Republican, not once, in any race, at any time. I have never regretted it either.

But you get to pick and I will bear no responsibility for your choice, in fact, neither will anyone else. Heck, given the secret ballot, no one but you will ever know for sure. It is all up to you, vote as you care to and live with the consequences.

I will vote for the Democratic Party, straight ticket, as I always have. I am quite sure that I will not regret it either.

Now run along child and figure it out.

[ampad]

193. No worries

The OP isn’t even allowed to vote in this country so becoming a Repig is not an option. You see, it is much easier to stir shit up on a message board, egging shit on when in the long run you don’t have to live with the consequences. This is what pisses me off about these type of post. I don’t give a damn what country you are from, you have a right to comment but this particular poster is always egging shit on. This is the type of crap that certain Hillary supporters eat up and spread around. Yea, they are going to need time to heal but not from what folks say on a message board. They are going to need to heal from the loss of something that some of them truly believed in and probably worked their asses off for, this is not a game as the OP seems to think it is. Most of these people probably held high hopes to see Hillary become POTUS because she is a woman I can ,to an extent, understand that. It is going to hurt for a while but what is going to hurt worse is voting McCain in. The OP should be ashamed for egging these people on in regards to a silly message board feud when it isn’t her reproductive rights that are in jeopardy, we have to live with the consequences of McCain and last time I checked Canada was not feeling the brunt of Bush not like the United States is and the Middle East. Going around egging on this stupid crap about what someone says on a message board is not helping Hillary supporters move on it is only adding fuel to the fire. I personally am not worried about those that are on message boards saying they won’t vote for Obama because they wanted Hillary. I think the sensible ones will come around. What I find dishonest is trying to keep the shit going on a internet message board when you will not have to deal with the consequences in the long run.

[quaker bill]

194. I am not concerned

I simply argue with the notion than any supporter of a losing candidate is owed anything, or that anyone other than the individual needs to take responsibility for their hurt feelings. In politics, someone wins and the others lose. It is just the way the system is designed. Skill, timing, luck, intelligence, and inspiration all go into the mix.

I think Hillary is a decent person and a fairly skilled politician. In any other year with the typical crop of Democratic candidates we have seen in the past, she might well have won. I think the campaign she ran this time might well have worked in 2004. I am not sure that the final results would have been any different, but she could have well been the nominee.

Barack is just a different quantity, something unanticipated. Had team Clinton anticipated him, the results this time could have been different as well.

I did the Dean / Kerry battle here in 2004, on the Dean side. I have seen the bowl here stirred in any number of ways. I was disappointed with the result in 2004, but it did not stop me from working as hard as I could for Kerry. My argument at the time was that we needed a candidate who did not vote for the war. I was pretty well trashed for bringing it up.

However, paying attention to the news today, the advantage of having a candidate without this bit of baggage is abundantly clear. There will be none of this "X saw the same intelligence and voted for the war" crap this time around.

I have heard this same sentiment expressed in the real world. My response is always the same. Vote as you feel led, but own the decisions you make and don't blame them on others. It is called mental hygene. Sanity is a nice thing, try it.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

195. After Obama supporters have been called cultists, kool aid drinkers, kids, latte sippers, elitists,

Not that we've been made to feel unnecessary and unwanted, of course. :eyes:

[anonymous171]

197. Don't forget prius driving, birkenstock wearing, trust fund babies.

I didn't even know what birkenstocks were before this primary.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

199. And as Chris Rock said, no one ever heard of Super Delegates until a black man was winning! nt

[Warren DeMontague]

204. Um... some of us chug our lattes, thank you very much.

The upholstery in my Prius is totally fucked up, now.

[ccharles000]

198. I am staying in the party and voting for our nominee.

Most Obama supporters have been very nice.:hug:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

200. In real life, most of us get along very well.

I have many dear friends who are Hillary supporters and our conversations have none of the rancor that you see here on the internet. In fact, when I got elected as an Obama delegate, they were the most effusive with their praise.