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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 06:27 AM
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Could John Edwards be the VP? Would he want it? Why did he leave the race right before ST?
I can't imagine that he would not want it if it was offered. He'd be looking at a strong run for the Presidency in 8 years, after 8 years as the Veep. I am sticking with my endorsement of Kathleen Sebelius for VP, but I am intrigued as to what Edwards could bring to the WH. I have always wondered what was said to him that made him drop out so abruptly before ST. Could it be that he was offered VP or another high post if he were to exit immediately? Of course, then the question would be why didn't he endorse earlier if that was the case. He may have had some similar agreement with Sen. Clinton, or he may have just been laying in the weeds to come out near the end as he did and be the voice to basically say "THE END" to the primary cycle. His Populist message is vitally important to Sen. Obama's campaign, and I am pleased that he will be helping Obama defeat McCain in the fall!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:14 AM
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1. I don't see it
Edited on Thu May-15-08 07:50 AM by karynnj
Not only did he not endorse for over 3 months, he occasionally said negative things during that period. not to mention, Elizabeth Edwards blatantly lied about obama's health care plan on the eve of the Iowa caucus saying it would not have covered her - and has been overtly on HRC's side. (This would be ok, but why the revisionist history of saying that even before she had cancer her perspective that universal healthcare was needed influenced Edwards when he created his plan. in fact, Edwards had one of the weakest 2004 plans covering kids only and he attacked Kerry in 2004 saying his plan was too expensive.

Edwards himself was honest enough to not see himself in that role. The fact that he proudly described to the NYT how he wouldn't use Kerry's 'help is on the way' slogan shows an inability to see that he was wrong there. He owed Kerry at least that much once he signed on as vp. Do you think he would follow obama's lead? Kerry was older, senior and more experienced than he was - even after he pulled out of the race, he spoke of Obama not having the experience needed - though Edwards himself had no more real experience. (just as people have said the bad things HRC has said could be used - so can the Edwards things.)

Obama was around in 2004, i assume he had a front row seat in seeing how Edwards performed as VP. Why should he be better 4 years later?

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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:27 AM
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4. Why do people blame Edwards for Kerry's loss? I don't get it.
Kerry ran a shitty campaign. He, and his senior advisers, are responsible for the loss. The under-utilized Edwards because they didn't want him to out shine Kerry. He was simply more charismatic than Kerry and they knew it. Kerry lost that campaign because of 3 things:

1. He didn't address the swift boat smears soon enough, or effectively enough.
2. The 'I voted for it before I voted against it' sentence. One frickin' sentence blew this campaign.
3. Wind surfing and duck hunting. John Edwards would have NEVER done these stupid photo ops.

With that said, I don't want Edwards to be Obama's VP pick. There are better positions in an administration than VP, whick is usually nothing more than ceremonial.

Edwards doesn't expect it, has said he doesn't want it....so why slam him?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:49 AM
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12. I did not blame him for the loss
As to the SBVT, you repeat the lies spread in the wake of the loss by the clinton people. One key argument for hrc was that Clintons are the only ones to fight back. To do this, they re-wrote history - which was fine with a media that did not do their job in 2004. The fact is that Edwards proudly speaks of not using the campaign slogan using his similar one instead - leading to criticism of the campaign on not having a consistent message. He did NOT even try to do anything a VP usually does and several surrogates were better than he was. He repeated the SAME speech - down to planned gestures - day after day.

Here is what Kerry did on the SBVT - with a fair media the SBVT would have backfired big time:

Kerry gave the press the information - over 100 pages of naval records - to counter it in April and they were all up on his web site. (In fact, they were useful to people on the Kerry blog to end the argument on the color of his eyes - hazel) Clinton's aim in 1992 was to counter in the news cycle any claim with something. Here the Media had proof that they were lying - this goes BEYOND Clinton's having a "response". The media did not do the job they would have done even 4 years before.

When this became evident, Kerry and his team did try to counter it. It was an unprecedented attack - a book with hundreds of charges all in contradiction of the official records and no proof - and the media asked for none. Then as lies were proven to be lies, the media did not make the assumption that it discredited the source - they went to the next lie. Clearly, neither the official records or identifying a very significant number of charges to be lies worked. So, what could be done. I really think the only thing that would have worked required the Democratic party to stand behind the man who was their standard bearer - just as they had with every previous candidate. They pure and simple failed to do this. They could have picked their battles. The purple heart band aids would have been one of the best - as it really did step over the line. It could have HONESTLY hit a Republican strength, the perception that they supported the military.

Imagine if people from Jimmy Carter to every Democratic spokesman anywhere - tv, radio, print had all called on Bush to expel anyone diminishing a solemn medal awarded when a soldier/sailor/airman is wounded from their convention unless they take off their band aids and ask him as CIC to apologize to the military that reports to him for his party's insensitivity to the suffering of the troops. They then could have said the military awards these medals, that they were driven by doctor's reports - not applied for by soldiers. Then speak of the two more impressive awards.

Kerry could and should not have to have lead this. He put his body on the line and suffered in a war that he did not even support. If he were the only one who complained it would have been worse than the lack of complaints. The silence likely fostered the belief that somehow Kerry deserved this lack of defense.

What is infuriating is that Kerry as a 25 year old, who was extremely athletic and fit, suffered these wounds, well aware that but for luck the angle could have been worse, his hearing was damaged and he has had nightmares years later. Yet these bastards implied he was barely in battle. Where were McAuliffe and the rest of the Democrats?

Kerry had every reason to be proud for having been tested and shown to be willing to risk his own life rather than not help a man who almost certainly would have died. For his other medal, he used his intelligence and solicited information from anyone in previous ambushes, worked out and sold to 2 of his peers a way to avoid these ambushes that the swiftboats were exposed to, then had the guts to implement it and came out of an ambush with no one in any of the 3 boats killed. This was what these people couldn't defend?

They had the Navy records and a tape where they could hear that Nixon investigated him 2 years later (when events were recent) - and found he was a war hero. Those two things alone should have been more than enough. What's weird is the RW still won't believe it. What I suspect is that among the high level of the party elite you have as many chicken hawks (or chicken doves) as the Republicans do and the vast majority of them were too cool to honor someone who consistently did the right thing and had a nobility of character they lacked.

Consider what they had to defend in 1992. The entire party had to defend Clinton on evading the draft. A certain war hero gave him a lot of cover, I think by pointing out that by 1968, it was known that the war was not winnable. The problem, which was smoothed over was that Clinton - after getting help by a ROTC leader, wrote an incredibly mean-spirited letter to him when after the lottery he was no longer endangered by the draft. Reneging on his promise to join was understandable in that time frame (though 2 years earlier, the extremely well connected Kerry didn't consider it when told he couldn't delay enlisting), but the bigger problem was the letter where Clinton spoke of "loathing the military" which a disgusting way to treat a man who helped him.

The party also said that the womanizing was in the past. Ignored was the fact that when the rumor surfaced he told the woman to lie to reporters. When she didn't, he denied it and attacked her credibility and character - and continued to do so when she produced a tape of him telling her to lie. (The tape proved 2 things to me then - he had an affair and was lying and she KNEW he would lie and attack her.)

Terry McAuliffe, Carville, Begala et al had no problem defending Clinton on these tawdry issues and now pride themself that they did it so well. Yet when Kerry was the nominee, they failed to defend him on something where there was never any reasonable doubt that he not only had nothing to apologize for or explain, but he had acted in an exemplary fashion. In fact, their lack of support likely raised questions of whether the Democratic leaders were concerned the charges were true. Kerry deserved better.

It might be that the goal was to make Kerry's hero status questionable to open questions into his integrity and character. This is why the party should have been proud to defend something that was very easily defended rather than explaining why Clinton's infidelities didn't matter. (Kerry provided the proof - so this charge of not fighting back should be aimed at the party as much as at Kerry.)

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Why slam Edwards? You slam Kerry here far more than I slammed Edwards and the Edwards people were slamming Kerry across the board yesterday. Do you think a good VP uses his own slogan?

As to the $87 billion question - Kerry gave the full answer just minutes before. The media played dumb in not understanding it. Kerry said nothing that, in context, was wrong or a problem. The problem was that the segment was taken out of context and misused. Had Edwards been the nominee, many Edwards words would have been spun - just as Kerry's were. If Edwards were better, he would have won the 2004 nomination. He had better press than Kerry and the states of the first multistate day were perfect for someone of his background. Imagine that he won not just SC, but SC, OK, DE, MO, and ND - all states where a rural, southern populist should do better than a MA Senator. If he also did well (or won) NM and AZ - he would have been the frontrunner and Kerry's victory in neighboring NH would have been downplayed and Iowa would have been reconsidered as the start of the Edwards' ascent.

As to hunting, Kerry is a hunter - Edwards isn't. Also, there never was anything inherently wrong with windsurfing - it is an athletic sport and if a media favorite, as Edwards in 2004, did it, the media would have handled it as a positive.


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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:20 AM
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2. Obama's running mate will be Ted Strickland (Ohio) or Kathleen Sebelius (Kansas)
John Edwards was in the US Senate for 6 years. Apart from that he has very little political experience that would complement what Obama is already offering.

I cannot be the only person to have noticed that John Edwards waited until it is 99% certain who will be the nominee before making his endorsement public.

A cynic might say that Edwards is jumping on the Obama bandwagon, now we know that Barack will be the nominee.

But I guess he did help Obama to take the West Virginia wind out of the Clinton campaign's sail.

So I guess Obama can be grateful for that, up to a point.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:25 AM
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3. Except that it does not look good that we are supposed to reject Clinton
because of her IWR vote, yet Edwards voted the same way. How can he be VP then? Why is it alright to be all excited over his endorsement of Obama? It just seems hypocritical of us to be cheering this endorsement and talking about a VP slot when Edwards is really in the same category as Clinton. For all of those who say they will never vote for Clinton because of her IWR vote: How can you vote for Edwards on the Obama ticket? I don't think he can choose Edwards. But maybe people are willing to overlook his vote for the war, but not Clinton's vote for the war. It will be alright to swallow our indignation over his vote, but not hers.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:29 AM
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5. Ah, the hypocrisy of it all; Obama needs white men badly, I guess
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:32 AM
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7. There are other reasons to reject Clinton as VP than the IWR vote.
THough on the subject of the IRW vote, Edwards has apologized for that vote (FWIW it struck me as sincere), while Clinton rtattles the saber against Iran, so there's that.

But the main objection about having Clinton on the ticket as VP has nothing to do with the IWR - it's that her attacks against Obama in the primary season have been of the type that could easily be used by the Republicans in their campaign against bama - and don't think for a minute that you won't be seeing McCain ads saying things like "Even the liberal Senator Clinton agrees that Barack Hussein Obama is WRONG for America" followed by a videotaped quote from her primary campaign. She poisoned the well for herself. That's going to be bad any way you slice it, but it would be tactically disastrous for such ads to run with her on the ticket. There's just no way.
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:30 AM
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6. Edwards
He lost both bids for the presidential seat. I think he could appeal to the demographic that hillary has been appealing to. He is very comfortable speaking and would give the repub veep a run for his money. He has been crussading for the eradication of poverty. Noble cause not much downside to that. He can charm the clinton ladies with his devotion to his wife. His story gives hope to the "working folk". He also has name recognition and would be another "Po' boy makes good" story. He would be a good running mate on this one. He should be on the short list if nothing else.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:35 AM
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9. "charm the Clinton ladies"? Clinton women want Clinton, not sweet stories
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:39 AM
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10. Gas tax holiday pandering = sweet story
Looks like you're wrong. Hillary supporters do want some psychological mothering if they support that gas tax holiday.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:44 AM
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11. Cheaper gas -- trying to help struggling folks --is pandering? Pander to me more, Hill!
Pandering is such an Obama clue -- if he did it it would be 'wisdom' but he only offers "Change!"
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:53 AM
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13. Gas tax holiday does not equal lower gas prices
Hillary says that she will lower the gas prices, but not exactly. She'll just get rid of the federal gas tax. You think that the oil companies are going to pass on the savings to the consumers? Are they passing on savings to the consumers now or are they just gouging the people for record profits? Did you ever wonder why Hillary couldn't find ONE SINGLE ECONOMIST to agree with her plan? Not one. Plus when the gas tax holiday expires, the prices would jump back up the full amount of the gax tax, even though the prices wouldn't have decreased by that full amount. Bottom line is that the oil companies would jump for joy at this federal gas tax holiday.
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noel711 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:35 AM
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8. Not Veep... he's too 'up front...'
Veep should be someone quietly qualified,
but Edwards should serve 2 terms as AG, really get on the
trails of all the criminals who pushed this war (for international war crimes)
and then be nominated for SCOTUS whenever the first judge bails...

and Obama needs to appoint Elizabeth E. to be Health Care Plan designer..
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:15 AM
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14. I still think it will be Richardson
He brings Obama the Hispanic vote and helps out west. He also came on board early when Barack really needed him. Face it , Edwards waited until the coast was clear. I hope Barack finds a place for Edwards, but not at the VP position.
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