If Clinton Wants VP, Obama Can't Stop Her

[keep_it_real]

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Does Hillary Clinton want to be the Democrats vice presidential candidate? Probably. Could she get on the ticket by dropping out before the last states vote on June 3rd? Definitely not. Does Barack Obama want her on the ticket? Absolutely not. Can he stop her if she wants it? Probably not. Why not? Super delegates are why not.

If Hillary Clinton wants the vice presidential nomination, and her loyal delegates demand it, and the Clinton machine puts its full weight behind it, she will be on the ticket.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/05/if_clinton_wants_to_be_vp_obam.html

[JimGinPA]

1. I Doubt It

[Lerkfish]

5. put me down as another doubter.

there are consequences to burning bridges with nuclear weapons

[quantass]

7. Add another Doubter here.

[Zavulon]

35. Yet another doubter here.

Michelle Obama HATES Hillary, as anyone in or near D.C. knows. Strickland will be the VP pick.

[ProSense]

2. Wow, how arrogant. n/t

[NotThisTime]

37. No Surprise /nt

[greguganus]

3. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! n/t

[newmajority]

4. You cannot combine change with the continued appeasement of the DLC

No Hillary on this ticket. Obama HAS beaten the so-called Clinton machine, and the days of the DLC bullying this party are OVER.

[Crazy Dave]

6. Haw! Haw! Haw!

:spray: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[WeDidIt]

8. There's a problem with that

Most likely, she doesn;t want it.

What she probably does want, though, is for Barack Obama to ASK HER. She'd then have the satisfaction of turning him down.

IF this is the case, then we'll never hear about it during an Obama administration.

[Andy823]

9. If this is true

Then we will have at least 4 more years of republicans in charge. McCain's only chance to get elected is if Hillary is on the ticket as the presidential nominee, or as the VP nominee. All you have to do is listen to the republicans who have been "praising" her, and who are now saying that she "has" to be on the ticket for Obama to win. It's pure BS, and as they all know, it will bring out the republicans who would stay home if she is not on the ticket at all!

[dkf]

10. Wow. This must be another person living in Hillaryworld.

Delusional.

[marylanddem]

11. Written by Bob Beckel - manager of Mondale's campaign?

woo fuckin hoo.

[rniel]

12. okay

I think this would look really bad having a vice president who unapologetically voted for the Iraq war. No way.

[LaurenG]

13. That would piss me off -

I don't mind if Obama chooses her but if she tries to force herself on him then I would have to hate her.

I really hope that your article is just BS because I don't want to think that she'd strong arm her way in.

[virtualobserver]

40. superdelegates would never vote for Obama and then undercut him in that way. Beckel is a joke.

[LaurenG]

43. Thanks - nt

[Occam Bandage]

14. It doesn't matter how many delegates you have, Obama. The Queen will not be dissuaded.

[enid602]

38. queen

But it may be the 'Princess' who actually makes the decision, from what I hear.

[malta blue]

15. please

[DAGDA56]

16. Asking questions, then answering your own questions. Does it remind me

of Rumsfeld? Probably. The Clinton Machine, you mention, does not appear to be in any position to make demands.

[babylonsister]

17. Right. He wishes; rather presumptuous of him. nt

[Liberal Gramma]

18. That may be so, but it would not be the strongest choice

Richardson, for his foreign policy experience, or Webb, with his military background, either would bring more to the ticket. You have to think past the election to the actual administration. I don't think it is the case that Obama loses without Clinton.

[keep_it_real]

23. I agree; I prefer Webb

[CindyKay]

28. I Just Love

Me Some WEBB!:patriot:

[islandmkl]

19. "...and the Clinton machine puts its full weight behind it, she will be on the ticket."...

or not....

but definitely one of the two...

good luck with your daydreams...

[sfaprog]

20. I guess somebody let Cheney's VP power grab go to their head.

Nobody can force Obama to do anything. Once he has the needed delegates, there is no leverage for Clinton, and certainly no chance he'll consider choosing her voluntarily.

She's done.

[TexasObserver]

21. Wrong. That's not how it works. The nominee picks the VP.

Another pipe dream by the Hillary Pipe Dream Factory.

Ain't gonna happen. She never gets on this ticket. Ever.

[jsmirman]

29. And her PLEDGED delegates are under no obligation to support her for VP

sort of a crucial fact the author of the article leaves out, no?

[TexasObserver]

41. True. She will begin to lose her own delegates as soon as June 4th gets here.

The delegates are not going to fall on their swords for Queen Hillary.

[4themind]

22. Not if Obama threatens to drop out if they do

I know he would never do that but,just to be technical here, he doesn't HAVE to have her as V.P. in the sense that he doesn't HAVE to be the nominee, if he doesn't want to. If it got to that point though, I honestly don't like our chances in the election. It could show to independents(wrongly imo) that if the democrats can't even unite themselves, how can they unite and work with the rest of the country?

It'd be far preferable for this thing to end in June 3rd,and have a unity ticket THEN, rather than out of a protracted convention fight, with weeks left before the election. Just the infighting in and of itself,let alone having a Pres and a V.P. that literally don't want to be on the same page(i.e. the ticket page) and I think McCain scoops up enough independents to win, while demoralizing some of Obama's base without enough time to heal. She CAN very likely push her self onto an obama ticket, the question is, at what cost, for the party and for us.

[JaneQPublic]

24. If "The Clinton Machine" were all that powerful, she'd be the nominee right now. (NT)

[NJmaverick]

25. What this writer failed to consider is that VP's can be completely irrelevant if the President wants

So while she could probably force her way on to the ballet, it would be a hollow victory. That would be the last we would hear from her, for the next 4-8 years.

[suston96]

26. VP would be a demotion for Hillary. She is a powerful NY US Senator......

"The Vice-Presidency isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit." John Nance Garner, VP under FDR.

She does not want it.

[Growler]

27. nope

not going to happen.

[IDemo]

30. My email to Dan Abrams on this bs:

Your continuous drum pounding for a VP slot for Hillary is disingenuous, much like the media's calliope music for a non-stop primary. As a matter of fact, she has not "earned the right to be Obama's vice president" as you suggest, since no such right exists. It is the sole right and responsibility of the nominee and his advisers to make the choice of a running mate who will create the best balance for the ticket. There exists no bronze medal or consolation prize here.

[aquarius dawning]

31. She shouldn't want it or accept it. It would be ridiculous of her to be his VP

The overqualified don't take subordinate positions to the under qualified. If he offers and she accepts, I'm still not voting for the ticket.

[nomaco-10]

32. I'm not so sure they have that much clout anymore...

but maybe I'm wrong. I have been wrong about a few things in my lifetime.

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[Hepburn]

34. The inevitable VP nominee?

That same mind set worked so well for Hillary about being the nom for POSTUS ~~ not!

:eyes:

[billyoc]

36. The DLC can't pay their fucking bar tab, they can't force shit. nt

[Lady-Damai]

39. Fuck no. n/t

[Tesha]

42. Horsepucky.

[TexanDem]

44. This is scary. Clintons are certainly powerful enough to pull this off