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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:10 PM
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Barack Obama and the 90%+ of AA vote he's Receiving
Edited on Thu May-15-08 02:46 PM by Renaissance Man
Just because some of the posters on this board seem so intent on thinking that African-American voters are only voting for Senator Obama because of his race (which is so non-sensical, considering that neither Carol Moseley Braun nor Al Sharpton made it past South Carolina in 2004), a few things you should keep in mind:

Black voters have brains, and we actively engage in the electoral process just as much as any other voting bloc. It may be somewhat strange to many, but African-American voters are just as keen on discussions concerning foreign policy as they are in economics, political wedge issues, the balance of the Supreme Court, etc.

One of the largest reasons why Hillary Clinton is receiving dismal support among African-American voters is because of her hawkish stance on Iran (and that's just a beginning -- yes, we know about her support for Kyl/Lieberman). Ever take a look at the percentage of military service men and women who are African-American (it borders along 25%)? African-American voters were overwhelmingly against invading Iraq as well. So, why, again would AA voters support someone keen on continuing Bush foreign policy when those very same decisions concerning using military force affects a substantial contingent of active US military servicemen and women that happen to be African-American?

Second, the Clinton years. Ironically, in the 90s, there was an excellent dot com smokescreen that was artfully displayed by former Pres. Clinton, and while Wal-Mart continued its course into becoming the behemoth it is now, he signed over the biggest piece of pro-MNC legislation (NAFTA), that, regretfully, has shipped a boat load of manufacturing jobs overseas, and it's left many families (both African-American and non-African American) destitute. Bush II cleaned up by the corporate tax breaks, and now the same jobs that Bubba shipped away are being subsidized by all of our tax dollars.

There are other reasons, but I'll leave you with this.

The African-American vote has always been a very reliable Progressive/liberal voting bloc. Ask yourself this question -- when was the last time you ever heard the AA community referred to as "swing voters" or "Reagan Democrats"?

... and this extends to all economic classes of AA voters (wealthy, middle class, working class and poor). There is a sense in the AA community that we're all (liberal voters, poor white voters in Appalachia that will vote for McCain before they vote for Senator Obama, feminists, the disabled, and every other group of people that have been traditionally socioeconomically marginalized) in this together.

Don't believe me. Go to the barber shops and beauty salons, the church socials, the cotillions, and you'll find that our vote is much more than our skin color, and before anything else, it must be earned through deeds and not through pandering.
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:11 PM
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1. No, blacks automatically vote for the black candidate
Edited on Thu May-15-08 02:11 PM by NewHampshireDem
Just ask President Keyes

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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:28 PM
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11. You are so right!
Look at how we all got in line to support Senator Michael Steele from Maryland

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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:32 PM
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13. Now, that was not fair
all those Oreos you people threw at that poor man. :eyes:

(I'm sure you recall that particular slur. How sad was that attempt to win votes?!?)
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:37 PM
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16. LOL
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deadmessengers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:44 PM
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19. That was a truly disgusting display
The Oreo incidents made me truly ashamed of the actions of my fellow Democrats. I still to this day wonder a bit whether they were a "false flag" operation, though, designed to stir up some sympathy for Michael Steele.
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 03:12 PM
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22. If you believe it, it was a particularly effective slur, since it never actually happened
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Chisox08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:35 PM
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15. Or better yet the senator from Illinois Alan Keyes
He got a total of 12% of the vote and 0% of the vote from African-Americans in the Senate race against Obama.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:11 PM
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2. Clinton supporters are just looking for any lie to take attention from the elephant in their room.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:12 PM
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3. K&R for this fantastic post.
:applause:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:13 PM
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4. Rec'd with thanks! nt
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:17 PM
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5. Excellent !
K & R !
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:18 PM
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6. kicked and recc'd
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Radical Activist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:20 PM
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7. A majority of the black vote started with Clinton and moved to Obama.
That indicates a decision made after getting to know Obama instead of just voting for the Clinton name, as many working class white voters are doing.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:21 PM
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8. Amen!
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:22 PM
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9. Absolutely and in a fairly recent CNN poll 90% of Blacks said they would vote for
Hillary if she was on the nominee
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:25 PM
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10. The Clintons patronize the AAs and pander to the whites. K&R
They play the "good master" who "helps" the blacks while reassuring the whites that their place in the pecking order is safe.

IMO, AAs don't want help from the "good master" but recognition and representation as American citizens. Which is what Obama offers.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:29 PM
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12. hilary had the Black vote until bilary lost it...
I'm betting more than a few Blacks were surprised that they ended up voting for Obama and because he earned it.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:34 PM
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14. Black voters have brains? Uh-oh!
Beware zombies!
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:42 PM
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17. K&R
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NatBurner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:44 PM
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18. thank you
i've been trying to find a way to say it without cussing
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:58 PM
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20. No need to twist knickers
AA voters come in all flavors and are often socially quite conservative. However, "a dream deferred" etc. leads high proportions to vote for a black candidate. So what? Quite understandable. Down the road, if we make progress, maybe issues will matter more.

And on economic issues, education and health coverage - key issues for many AA voters - Hillary would actually be the stronger, better choice and the one more likely to bring them the changes needed.
But - there you go. Not this season. not yet. not this time. One dream advances (a viable black candidate) perhaps as another dream slows down.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:57 AM
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30. JoFerret,
Hillary would actually be the stronger, better choice and the one more likely to bring them the changes needed.

Why don't you let black people decide which candidate they think is more likely to give them what they need?

Even after Renaissance Man spent all that time typing out his beliefs why so many blacks are voting for Obama, you still feel the need to type "However, "a dream deferred" etc. leads high proportions to vote for a black candidate" and "Down the road, if we make progress, maybe issues will matter more" as if nothing else but race is the reason for the high numbers of black votes for Obama and Renaissance Man just has to be MADE to understand that. Never mind the fact that RM is a black man who may have slightly more knowledge and understanding of black culture and never mind the fact that what you're saying is not true. If blacks are voting for Obama, it must be because he's black and it has nothing to do with his politics, policies, the issues or anything else. Must be nice to be so very CERTAIN about these type of things.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:38 AM
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31. Not stopping anyone
from voting for whomever they choose. Nor from expressing their ideas based on their experience, understanding and perspective. The notion of absolutes and certainty belongs to you.
I am merely expressing a point of view. Based on my experience, understanding and perspective. Get used to it.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:20 PM
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36. You spouted your opinion as "fact"
Edited on Fri May-16-08 05:56 PM by Number23
However, "a dream deferred" etc. leads high proportions to vote for a black candidate.

And on economic issues, education and health coverage - key issues for many AA voters - Hillary would actually be the stronger, better choice and the one more likely to bring them the changes needed.

And spouted them in response to a post from a black man that had already refuted your "facts" as inaccurate and untrue. Glad you're not stopping any from voting for whomever they choose. And no one's stopping you from actually reading threads and absorbing the information within before you respond either.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:37 PM
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38. These are my OPINIONS
Get used to them. I am NOT god. I am a long time DEMOCRAT. I am a poster on DU with a particular set of OPINIONS based on my perspective, background, experience and point of view.

I express those views with conviction.
I did NOT spout "facts" but opinions.
Your post is full of total nonsense. Outrageous and pseudo-racist nonsense to boot.
Please stop.
I am not the enemy.
Nor am I the enemy of the person whose posted opinion I commented on.



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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:45 PM
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40. You're right
Your post is full of total nonsense. Outrageous and pseudo-racist nonsense to boot.

Interesting that you would say that because all I did in my posts was to reference and quote points that YOU'D made in YOUR comments. Glad these pages, threads and posts are all cached for posterity for all to see who's saying what.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:03 AM
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41. I am wondering
if basic comprehension is more your problem. Or whether there are other issues at work.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:27 PM
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56. My dear
You are the one who has made idiotic comment after comment and then grew absolutely HYSTERICAL when I did nothing but quote YOUR own asinine, stupid, "pseudo-racist" (your words, not mine) points. Remember the "I'm not God" and "I'm not the enemy" foolishness? That was you, dearheart.

YOUR stupid comments and hysteria are here for everyone to see. You seem to have very delicate "sensibilities." Perhaps DU is too much for you. I think Playhouse Disney has a web forum. Maybe you should open an account there.

Now if you want to keep responding to me and keep totally PLAYING yourself and displaying to everyone what a basket-case you appear to be, that is your choice. Keep posting to me if you want. It's your funeral.
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Miss Chybil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 02:58 PM
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21. K & R nt
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:21 AM
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23. Yeah & why do those same black voters put their fingers in their ears when Obama praises Reagan?
Edited on Fri May-16-08 12:22 AM by TheGoldenRule
Or when Obama votes to fund the Iraq War?

Or when Obama talks about supporting a war in Pakistan?

Or when Obama supports liquified coal which is HUGE pollutant?

Or when Obama is best buddies with a criminal out of Chicago who just happened to help Obama out on a land deal?

Or when Obama disrespects voters and calls them "bitter" because they are white working class? Reverse racism anyone?

All Obama supporters do is put their fingers in their ears and say "La La La, I can't hear you!" like immature children! Talk about DENIAL!!!

Sorry, but I know I'm gonna be saying "I told you so" IF Obama is elected.

Because Obama's not going to do anything for any of us lowly peons-black or white-but uphold the "status quo" for big business and their interests.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:29 AM
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26. Why do Clinton supporters do the same when she praises McCain?
Or says we're going to "obliterate" another country?

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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:29 AM
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27. Bitter, party of one, your table is ready.
Would you like to see our whine list?

(BTW: most of what you state in your post are total bullshit RW talking points)
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:11 AM
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29. Sorry, I don't have cable & don't watch the corporate media whores on t.v.
So your argument doesn't fly with me. And FYI, I don't support either candidate. I'm trying to open some eyes around DU because the denial is miles deep and miles wide.

Btw-ALL that I posted above is easily found here on DU. Here's a few links, but I doubt you'll read them, because you can't handle the truth.

Obama Peddles The Same "War On Terror" Lie As The Rest Of Them
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4598201

Obama caves to Illinois coal mine owners - OR is Liquefied Coal the future?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=296x6743

The "Appeal" and Legacy of Ronald Reagan
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2721736



WE SHOULD ALL BE BITTER THAT BOTH OBAMA & HILLARY ARE LYING TO ALL OF US.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:58 AM
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42. Insufficient swooning
and truth-telling. Tsk.

Still - when all is said and done, BOTH of these candidates (and the whole wonderful democratic field this season) beat anything the GOP has to offer.

And on that we can ALL agree.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:56 AM
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44. Obviously you are in full on DENIAL.
Edited on Sat May-17-08 09:57 AM by TheGoldenRule
You need to detox from the kool aid and see the reality of what is really going on, because not one of the candidates is gonna change a damn thing in 09 and beyond.

Look no further than Pelosi and the gang in 06.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:09 AM
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45. No. Only 50%
...save your full per cent points for those expecting the second coming.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:39 AM
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34. The choices are Hillary or Obama.
Obama is better than Hillary.

It's not fucking brain surgery.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:23 AM
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47. But it is arithmetic and like Barbie said: Math is hard!
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:41 AM
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52. Hey there Black voter here happy to answer your questions from the "black perspective" b/c U asked.
Yeah & why do those same black voters put their fingers in their ears when Obama praises Reagan?
When Obama "praises" Reagan, he is praises decisions Reagan made that brought about a positive result. It is always a sign of a good leader to look at what works and what doesn't work from the past and apply it to the future. It show his commitment to bipartisanship, not "praising Reagan" but rather paying attention to good policies and not just dismissing him altogether b/c he was a repuke.

Or when Obama votes to fund the Iraq War?
Don't be dumb, the soldiers should not be there, but now that they are there we need to support them. How would you feel if our soldiers had no resources to protect themselves or EAT!

Or when Obama talks about supporting a war in Pakistan?
Pakistan, is harboring Alqeida, that's who we were suppose to be going after. Iraq was not involved in 9/11. Iraq is the war we never should have gotten into.

Or when Obama supports liquified coal which is HUGE pollutant?
In our quest to find alternative fuel sources he is willing to learn about everything, I have all the confidence that when it comes to the issue of the environment, Obama will make better decisions to help the environment, in stead of pretending there isn't a hole in the Ozone layer, and global warming doesn't exist.

Or when Obama is best buddies with a criminal out of Chicago who just happened to help Obama out on a land deal?
HE bought land from his neighbor, to increase his personal property. If he did it to build a strip mall that sold cheap chinese toys, the lead to massive lead poisoning of Kids in inner city Chicago, I could see the argument. ALL THE NEWS PUNDITS REPORTED OBAMA DID NOTHING ILLEGAL.

Now you want to talk about nefarious dealings lets discuss all the jobs that left this country b/c of Clinton's NAFTA trade agreement. And lets really examine why so much of the Clinton millions came form Chinese and Columbian business interest. Oh that's right he got paid for "speaking".

Or when Obama disrespects voters and calls them "bitter" because they are white working class? Reverse racism anyone? Right yep those were his exact words right. Go read the exact quote instead of repeating Clinton double speak.

All Obama supporters do is put their fingers in their ears and say "La La La, I can't hear you!" like immature children! Talk about DENIAL!!!

AND WHAT DO CLINTON SUPPORTERS DO?
ignore, ignore, ignore, They ignore her debt, they ignore her divisive language, they ignore her lies, they ignore her trying to win by cheating, changing the rules in the middle of the to try to effect the outcome to be in her favor is cheating.

Sorry, but I know I'm gonna be saying "I told you so" IF Obama is elected.

Because Obama's not going to do anything for any of us lowly peons-black or white-but uphold the "status quo" for big business and their interests.
The remains to be seen however,Clinton's Husband has been planning for the last 8 years to sell off parts of this country to foreign interest, remember he is for Free trade agreements with Foreign entities.
And McSame <-----Well that says it all.




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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:04 PM
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53. good replies!!
:hi:
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. Thanks, I try to represent as an egghead, and an African American
:toast:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:36 PM
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57. Nice response
Glad that you responded with issues. It boggles the mind that there are so many who REFUSE to accept any other answer for Obama's high numbers of black support other than black people are just voting for the black guy.

You should save this post and post it over and over and over again.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:23 AM
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24. K&R. Nice post
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Rolandosoto Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:26 AM
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25. Blacks love Democrats
including Hillary, if she faces a Republican.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:29 AM
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28. Well said, RM!
When I hear the argument that AA's are only voting for Obama because of the color of his skin, I want to gob smack 'em!

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:39 AM
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32. Thanks for trying... but some of the stupidity around here is bone-deep.
So don't be surprised if you still see the same morons spewing the same dumbass talking points.

Well said, though. :)
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:49 AM
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35. Any idea?
on what percent of the black vote Obama will get in the GE? Kerry got 88%. Could it possibly go as high as the mid-90s, or is that a pipe dream?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:00 PM
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37. A thousands thanks my Brother
Sometimes it puts me in the twilight zone.

This election really proves that many in White America don't have a clue about African Americans voting habits.

Our Brothers and Sisters take their politics seriously.

In the local Barber Shops/Beauty Shoes and at most social gatherings, politics has always been a top issue.

Isn't it amazing that when we voted for the Clinton's in huge numbers ~ we were SMART?

Now, we finally decide that we want to vote for a candidate that WE determine is SMART,INCLUSIVE of ALL RACES,QUALIFIED and has promised us NOTHING IN RETURN FOR OUR VOTES, we are like sheep in the minds of certain White people that own the MSM and are voting for certain other candidates.

Guess what,Maxie Waters and Tubbs Jones and even Charlie Rangel don't tell African Americans who to vote for.....We are proud to say it and we are proud to spell it O-B-A-M-A!

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ginchinchili Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:55 PM
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39. I sure it's just a coincidence that Obama's black and he gets 90% of the black vote.
Of course, if that were the case then the same percentage of white voters would be voting for him. Or to put it another way, if Obama was white, would he still be getting 90% of the black vote? This would be highly unlikely, particularly if you consider the Clinton's popularity among black voters, that is until she became the only thing standing between Obama and the Democratic nomination. Then suddenly Hillary is loathed by much of that same 90% of black voters. But I'm sure it's just a coincidence. That's ok. Bush's supporters didn't have much use for the truth either.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:24 AM
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48. How quickly some forget...
how the Clinton's lost every shade of voters.
December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out. "Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States.
Obama is a Christian.
The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.


Clinton Co-Chair Resigns Over Obama Drug Remark
By JAKE TAPPER
Dec. 13, 2007
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3992371&page=1
Bill Shaheen, the Clinton campaign's New Hampshire co-chair, stepped down Thursday one day after publicly raising the issue of the youthful drug use of her chief opponent, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois

Shaheen, the husband of a former New Hampshire governor and an influential Democrat, was a constant presence by Clinton's side whenever she campaigned in the Granite State, where recent polls have her and Obama in a dead heat for first in that first-in-the-nation primary state.

Hours after the Wednesday release of a CNN/WMUR poll showing Obama in a statistical tie with Clinton for the first time among New Hampshire Democratic voters, Shaheen told The Washington Post that should Obama get the nomination, "one of the things Republicans are certainly going to jump on is his drug use."

Shaheen said Obama having been so open -- as opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further queries on the matter.
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On Sunday, a second Clinton staffer -- Linda Olson, an Iowa County volunteer coordinator, who followed Jones County coordinator Judy Rose -- was asked to resign after reporters discovered she had forwarded an e-mail repeating the scurrilous allegation that Obama, a member of the United Curch of Christ, is a Muslim plant.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008
The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's
Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-

2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Source: Newsday
Posted on Sunday, December 16, 2007 at 12:04 pm
Barack Obama Accepts Apology From Hillary Clinton
Washington D.C. 12/15/2007 09:17 AM GMT (FINDITT)

Hillary Clinton went straight to Barack Obama with an apology following a staffer's remarks about any skeletons that may be lurking in Obama's closet, pointing out that she had accepted the staffer's resignation over the disparaging remarks. Obama accepted her at her word, according to his campaign staff, and is moving on without letting it interrupt his campaign plans.


Obama is currently leading the polls in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early primary states often considered key to the process, according to numbers at usaelectionpolls.com, but on a national level Clinton still holds a huge lead. The most recently posted poll results show Obama with 31 percent of the
probable voters in New Hampshire backing him with 29 percent showing support for Clinton.
http://www.transworldnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=30629&cat=5

Clinton Camp Pushes O-Bomber Links: Ignores
Her Own Radical Ties
By: Justin Rood

ABC News - The Hillary Clinton campaign pushed to reporters today stories about Barack Obama and his ties to former members of a radical domestic terrorist group -- but did not note that as president, Clinton's husband pardoned more than a dozen convicted violent radicals, including a member of the same group
mentioned in the Obama stories."Wonder what the Republicans will do with this issue," mused Clinton spokesman Phil Singer in one e-mail to the media, containing a New York Sun article reporting a $200 contribution from William Ayers, a founding member of the 1970s group Weather Underground, to Obama in 2001.
In a separate e-mail, Singer forwarded an article from the Politico newspaper reporting on a 1995 event at a private home that brought Obama together with Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member of the radical group.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4330128&page=1


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says. Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in
her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-

clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proudmDemocrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-

johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

Hillary Supporter Cuomo: Obama Tried To "Shuck And Jive" With Media
The Hillary campaign might have their own surrogate with foot-in-mouth syndrome who they'll have to deal with. During an appearance yesterday on talk radio -- at almost the same time as Obama co-chair Jesse Jackson Jr. questioned Hillary's tears -- New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo used some words about Barack Obama that have a very troublesome racial history.


"It's not a TV crazed race. Frankly you can't buy your way into it," Cuomo said, according to Albany Times Union reporter Rick Karlin. "You can't shuck and jive at a press conference," he added. "All those moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living room."

The phrase "shuck and jive" refers to mischievous blacks behaving innocently in the presence of an authority figure, so as to lie and get out of trouble.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:02 AM
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43. "THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYT
Edited on Sat May-17-08 08:03 AM by indimuse
Obama's Campaign Plays the Race Card http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response TYT RACE BAITING BEGAN WITH OBAMA1 WATCH ENTIRE CLIP--- NO ESCAPING

TRUTH PROOF "THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYT



TELL OBAMA TO FIRE JJJ...NOW!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:15 AM
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46. ...
:rofl:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:34 AM
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49. I don't think IT's FUNNY one Iota!
Edited on Sat May-17-08 10:35 AM by indimuse
Obama's Campaign Plays the Race Card JJJ HILLARYZ TEAR JJJ HILLARYZ TEAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response TYT RACE BAITING BEGAN WITH OBAMA1 WATCH ENTIRE CLIP--- NO ESCAPING

TRUTH PROOF "THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYTObama's Campaign Plays the Race Card JJJ HILLARYZ TEAR JJJ HILLARYZ TEAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response TYT RACE BAITING BEGAN WITH OBAMA1 WATCH ENTIRE CLIP--- NO ESCAPING

TRUTH PROOF "THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYT


so you watched this and laugh?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:38 AM
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51. ...
:rofl:
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:34 AM
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50. I don't think IT's FUNNY one Iota!
Edited on Sat May-17-08 10:35 AM by indimuse
Obama's Campaign Plays the Race Card JJJ HILLARYZ TEAR JJJ HILLARYZ TEAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response TYT RACE BAITING BEGAN WITH OBAMA1 WATCH ENTIRE CLIP--- NO ESCAPING

TRUTH PROOF "THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYTObama's Campaign Plays the Race Card JJJ HILLARYZ TEAR JJJ HILLARYZ TEAR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response TYT RACE BAITING BEGAN WITH OBAMA1 WATCH ENTIRE CLIP--- NO ESCAPING

TRUTH PROOF "THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYT


so you watched this and laugh?
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 12:28 PM
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54. Great OP and responses by Heather MC and StillCool 47 K&R nt
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candice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:40 PM
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58. No, the voting along racial lines cannot be interpreted as voting along racial lines...
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:42 PM
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59. The Clintons had the black vote in their pocket until they decided to go ugly.
Their loss of the largest Democratic voting block is entirely self-inflicted.

While Obama may not get the "hard-working white American" - reads: racist - vote in the general election, the black vote will almost certainly shun her if she were the Dem candidate in the general.
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