Go a head and revote FL and MI...with both Obama and Hillary on the ticket

[greenbriar]

Obama will win both


the first vote only had hillary on the ticket


so yea...revote

[Yael]

1. The only way that they can legally do that is to somehow

declare the original primaries invalid.

That is why they were talking about having caucus votes.

[greenbriar]

2. I am just tired of Hillary saying count the votes when she was the only one on the ballot

put them both on and then see what happens

[Yael]

3. I hear ya. I was really hoping for a revote -- no matter how they had to make it happen

[MonkeyFunk]

8. All the candidates were on the ballot in Florida

and four of them were on it in Michigan.

But... exit polls show the following if all the candidates had been on the ballot:

Clinton: 46
Obama: 35
Edwards: 12
Kucinich: 2
Richardson: 1

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#MIDEM

[RichGirl]

12. Obama....

WAS on the ballot in Florida.

[RaleighNCDUer]

17. And nobody directly campaigned there, which gave an automatic

20 point advantage to Clinton based solely upon her name. Just like in every other state. And in virtually every state where they both campaigned, Obama cut her 20 point advantage to single digits or less. Meaning, counting the results without any campaigning is inherently unfair.

Which is, of course, why she refuses to allow a re-vote - she knows she will LOSE that 20 point advantage.

[MonkeyFunk]

21. No it didn't

don't be ridiculous.

How do you get a 20 point advantage for Clinton? I believe Obama's name recognition at the time of the primary was 97%. Do you really think Floridians didn't know who Obama was?

[wileedog]

23. They heard his name, doesn't mean they knew a thing about him.

Its total speculation

[MonkeyFunk]

26. They have TVs there, you know

It's ridiculous to think that Floridians didn't know who Obama was.

[lojasmo]

4. I'm down for a re-vote.

Anybody should be.

[wileedog]

24. $50M to change the results not a bit?

Good God, why?

[lojasmo]

28. I'm not in favor, but I won't grouse. EOM.

I am willing to abide by the DNC Rules too.

Whatever. Obama's got this.

[MonkeyFunk]

5. Wrong

All candidates were on the Florida ballot. 4 dems were on the Michigan ballot.

[2rth2pwr]

6. Hillary has pushed for revotes, Obama's the one standing in the way.

He wants to stomp on the faces of these voters forever.

[DerekJ]

13. I'm sorry but Hillary rejected a MI Caucus revote. It wasn’t Obama.

[Liberal Veteran]

15. Now now....everyone knows that delusion requires extensive pharmaceutical intervention....

....to shatter the false reality the delusional build up around themselves.

Just pointing out facts is not going to cut it.

[2rth2pwr]

16. ...

The AP reports that Hillary Clinton supports the proposed Michigan re-vote plan. http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/3/15/15176/9000

Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton Saturday said she supported a plan being developed by Michigan Democrats to hold a new primary in June.

As to both Michigan and Florida,

"I feel really strongly about it," Clinton said. "The 2.5 million people (in Michigan and Florida) who voted deserve to be counted. If it were my preference, we'd count their votes but if not, then they should have the opportunity to have a full-fledged primary waged for them and revote."

Where's Obama on this? Hedging.

Spokesman Tommy Vietor Saturday said the campaign was open to a "fair and practical" resolution of the conflict...."We will evaluate the details of any new proposed election carefully as well as any efforts to come to a fair seating of the delegates from Michigan."
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Obama Camp Continues to Block Michigan Revote - Obama Will Do Anything to Win


The Detroit News reports that Barack Obama continues to block all efforts to allow Michigan Democrats the right to vote in a new primary. The Obama camp is actually threatening lawsuits in order to stop Michigan Democrats from casting their votes. http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-camp-continues-to-block-michigan.html

Barack Obama does not support your right to vote Michigan because he knows you are not going to vote for him. And Barack Obama will do anything to win -- and that includes destroying the Democratic Party. Time is running out, and it's a damn shame. If Barack Obama gets his way and we lose in November because Michigan Democrats stay home, America really will be damned.

Detroit News: Despite a quick visit from Hillary Clinton to make the case and pressure from other top Democrats, supporters of Barack Obama appeared no closer Wednesday to accepting plans for a do-over Democratic primary.

Supporters of the June 3 revote -- including a four-member committee of top Michigan Democrats that hatched the plan -- held out hope that the state Legislature would act on a bill to hold the new primary. But with time running short, the Obama campaign, which has little to gain and much potential for loss in a new vote, piled on the legal objections, and it remained unclear Wednesday night whether the proposal would even get an up-or-down vote in the Legislature.

"Senator Obama speaks passionately on the campaign trail about empowering the American people," Clinton said. "Today I'm asking him to match those words with actions." Through its top attorney, the Obama campaign responded to Clinton's visit by raising a series of issues it said could invite lawsuits if a new primary went forward.

Update - Big Tent Democrat: Rules Are Rules, Except When They Are Not -- Obama Objects To DNC Rule In MI Revote Controversy - Now we know Barack Obama wants to avoid revotes in Michigan and Florida at all costs . . But it is interesting to see that he is now grasping at the EXISTING DNC rules as his excuse to object to the Michigan revote.

TAPPED: aving prevented any new vote in Michigan, Obama's campaign may well have given up any moral claim to oppose seating of the delegates

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. The DLC backed Florida dems are the ones who declared they

would not hold a revote there. Not Obama. Even if the DNC and the Democratic party paid for it, they would not agree.

Watch where you're pointing that finger - you'll put your eye out.

[2rth2pwr]

19. obma has not lobbied for revotes in either state because he knows he would lose.

[RaleighNCDUer]

20. Lose what?

Any revote would only HELP him - but he's willing to let the DNC come up with a viable plan. It's the DLC state parties that want to seat the delegates as they are right now, because it overwhelmingly supports Hillary - what with him not competing and all.

Right now, nobody gets nothing.

Revote, and even if Hillary were to win them both 60/40 (which is highly doubtful) she'd have a net gain of @20 delegates - and she is 150 down. No help to her at all.

If they follow the rules, and seat only HALF the alloted delegates, her net gain is maybe 10.

It's absurd. You're clinging to twig.

[2rth2pwr]

22. He hasn't been very helpful in either case. The voices of millions of voters could

go in the trash as far as he's concerned.

[RaleighNCDUer]

27. Then talk to Hillary. She's the one who wants to impose the

flawed contests on us. She's got her DLC backers in Florida refusing to revote. She refuses to accept a caucus in MI, when that is the only option that MI will allow.

Aaah, I give up. You are hopeless. You refuse to accept reality, TooEarthToPower.

[Patsy Stone]

7. Who's going to pay for that?

It can't be privately funded. I think they should figure out a compromise, or don't seat them.

And both candidates were on the ballot in FL.

[Greyskye]

9. You paying for that?

'Cause no one else seems to want to.

[newmajority]

10. Caucus in both states.

Do it Saturday evening after sundown, so it's as inclusive as possible (i.e. significant Jewish vote in FL)

Caucus is the most cost effective solution, if theres' going to be any sort of "re-do".

Diebold machine election funded by Hillary's corporate donors? I don't think so.


I think they should just do a 50-50 split of the pledged delegates, with no superdelegates in either state (since it was the state parties who broke the rules to begin with)

[Scout]

11. put Edwards on too while you're imagining n/t

[NatBurner]

14. and hurry up

[Bensthename]

25. Obama would just beat her there too...

This has worked out well for Hillary.

[unlawflcombatnt]

29. Obama has blocked every attempt to do so

Because he knows he'd lose big in both states.

[Blue-Jay]

31. wrong

that has been debunked repeatedly

[Beregond2]

30. No, that would be democracy.

HRC would never accept that.