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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:23 PM
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What Did Obama Promise Edwards?
What Did Obama Promise Edwards? By Michael Rectenwald, Ph.D. 15 May 2008 John Edwards's endorsement of Obama seems par for the course for Hillary. As soon as she wins, superdelegates endorse the other guy. As soon as she wins, backers endorse her opponent. The more she wins, the more media decry her staying in the race. The better she does, the worse she's made out to be. It's quite a staggering and stunning beating that she's been taking from the liberal elite.

John Edwards's belated endorsement of Barack Obama for Democratic presidential nominee is one in a series of blows. Like the others, it comes at a strange time. Not unlike the way things seem to go for Hillary Clinton in this campaign, the endorsement comes after Clinton's most resounding victory, and the widest margin of victory for any candidate in any Democratic primary to date this season--68 to 26--a 42 percentage point trouncing of the "presumptive nominee." (With a loss like that, should that be "presumptive" or "presumptuous?") Further, Clinton continued to rack up massive margins in the very voting blocks that Edwards had courted and claimed previous to dropping out. Beyond that, she also won over Obama's core voters.

The question is, given the fact that Clinton wins and wins big the Edwards constituents, why would Edwards, the supposed populist bucker of the elite establishment, endorse the candidate who loses his "own" group of voters and loses it big?

A potential Edwards endorsement was losing all efficacy and came at the last possible meaningful moment. If Edwards's endorsement was to mean anything, it had to come now. And given that Edwards is the person whose endorsement might mean the most to the constituency that Obama is being slaughtered amongst, his endorsement is necessary for Obama's presumption to go on.

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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:24 PM
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1. AG I hope. n/t
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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:29 PM
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10. Me too, if Obama wins the presidency. But I think the GOP has...
a third coup d'etat in the bullpen.
They know that the Democrats/US citizens will just 'roll over' once again, unfortunately.
Only a Democratic landslide could prevent another GOP stolen 'election.'
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:26 PM
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2. I give up, what?
Was it really really bad? or just really bad?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:34 PM
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17. Maybe to invite him over for a pot-roast dinner? With onion gravy? n/t
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:26 PM
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3. That Obama "promised" Edwards anything is an unproven assumption.
Another unproven assumption: what did Clinton promise Edwards?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:59 PM
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27. ah, but juicy gossip is so delicious
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:27 PM
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Why, JetSkis of course.......
as was publicly discussed.

No secret. Pretty straight forward.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:34 PM
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16. And he got it (per his speech)
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:44 PM
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21. The spy job. Preferably some place with the possibility of a jetski chase.
:rofl:
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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:28 PM
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33. I like that Obama pic!
n/t
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:27 PM
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4. He admitted that Obama had signed on to the "Half in Ten" program
I don't doubt that HRC would (will) also support that, but perhaps
she was not as quick to get on board.

I can't help but think there was some relation between Edwards winning
7% of the WV vote and his coming out to endorse Obama the next day.
If voters were continuing to vote for him to "send a message" (we
don't like the woman and we don't like the black -- we want a white
man), he wanted them to face up to the fact that these are their choices
and to make it clear to them which candidate he prefers.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:27 PM
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5. Maybe nothing
Who was Edwards more friendly with on the campaign trail Hillary or Barack. Seems like he made a reasoned decision on who he thinks would make the better President.

That being said I hope he's the next Attorney General.
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:28 PM
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6. To be passed around like a peace pipe in prison?
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:28 PM
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7. he endorsed Obama in the hopes
to bring his "own" group of voters to back him. That's the criticism we've all been hearing of Obama lately..the hard working class...Edwards probably thought he could help him out a little.

Obama may have promised to help him with his ending poverty cause.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:29 PM
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8. The chance to be on the winning team.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:29 PM
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9. It wasn't the biggest victory of the season
Obama won Idaho with 81%, Hawaii 76-24, DC 75-25, and a bunch of other caucus states by huge margins. And DC was a primary, not a caucus.
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Boz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:30 PM
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11. TWO WORDS, TO WIN
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:31 PM
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Ph. D.?...lots of "presumptuous" and "supposed populist" and "losing all efficacy"..
and "slaughtered amongst"...

I'm thinking Ph.D. is shorthand for PILED HIGHER and DEEPER...

those initials behind your name signify a great deal of time, and one supposes effort and achievement, pursuing an 'enhanced' education...

those initials do not make one an intellectual, let alone well-informed...

but, sometimes, they do make one amusing...
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:31 PM
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12. His DU alias?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:31 PM
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13. Rectenwald. Ugh. Can't get beyond that :-)
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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:09 PM
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29. Isn't that a bit prejudicial?
n/t
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:26 PM
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50. Oh Quit Seeing Trouble Where There Is None
The name is very close to RECTUM as in asshole. Enjoy your stay.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:33 PM
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14. To cover his expenses? n/t
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:33 PM
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VP
it has to to be something big.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:33 PM
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15. The author acts like this is the first of the campaign. This is all but over.
This argument may have made sense about 3 months ago.
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jaksavage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:36 PM
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18. Nothing.
He was holding him for a grand entre.
Obama's got Game!
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:41 PM
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19. Why does Michael Rectenwald have to inform us he has a Ph.D,?
Edited on Thu May-15-08 07:42 PM by Drunken Irishman
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:47 PM
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22. Ya'd just have to get to know him to understand :-)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:49 PM
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25. lots of authors do this.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:10 PM
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31. It's a common Ph.D. thing. I've never been a fan of it myself. It's just showing off.
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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:12 PM
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32. He didn't. I added 'Ph.D' as he is, and people on the 'Left' are always...
diminished in any dialogue with the Right.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:42 PM
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37. phd=pile it higher and deeper
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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:47 AM
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40. What's your point? The man is educated in his field.
n/t
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:03 AM
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42. the more letters the bigger the ego
Edited on Fri May-16-08 01:03 AM by 48percenter
I worked in Academia, Ph.D's can be some of the biggest blowhards on the planet. Many of them suffer from personality disorders, MEGOISM. (my eyes glaze over)

Sign me: 48%er (with a lowly MA :rofl: )
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:42 PM
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20. A shrubbery!
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:48 PM
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24. Yes!!!!!!! a Monty Python reference. Every thread should have one.
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honkytonkmaster Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:47 PM
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23. Something was promised
A few days ago, Edwards, spoke against endorsements, saying endorsement are overrated:

Edwards still has not endorsed either candidate, saying he "would not inflate the value of my supporting or endorsing any candidate. That's blown way, way out of proportion."

He contends endorsements carry more weight with the media than with voters: "I don't think they make a huge difference."


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90325735


Now all of a sudden endorsing a candidate became soo imperative.


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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 07:54 PM
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26. A Headline.
Probably Edwards' last one.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:07 PM
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28. just getting started...
He's going to take John's 28,000 square foot home (thanks john!!) and donate the sale proceeds to the hungry and homeless in district 13 Chicago, where Barack obama F*CKED these people with there own hard earned tax dollars..he lied and NEVER delivered what he promised on his FRAUDULENT State Campaign trail, bought and paid for by the 'Chicago Combine Elite'!
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halliburtonsux Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:20 PM
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47. Yes, Michigan and Florida need to count.
n/t
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:50 PM
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34. Possibly to aid the best candidate.
But that's not enough for this Ph.D. in English, who insists that Edwards must have some darker motive, and is therefore a complete opportunist.
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Raejeanowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:54 PM
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35. V.P. n/t
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KSinTX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:18 PM
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36. The friggin' jet ski. nt
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unlawflcombatnt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:48 PM
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38. What Did Obama Promise Edwards?
Hot air.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:21 PM
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39. the moon
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graycem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:54 AM
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41. AG & spy, I hope. :D n/t
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:11 AM
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43. A free visit to GOLDEN HAIR SNIPS
Or maybe a Pony? I hope Obama is smart enough to offer a position to Edwards, in his administration.
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:25 AM
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44. Hopefully at least AG, or to alter his health care plan
Edited on Fri May-16-08 03:32 AM by musicblind
I trust Edwards enough to know that it had to be something worthy (ie. considering Edwards/Hillary's health care plan, or making poverty a priority in his administration). Edwards is a man of principle and I would expect that his bartering for the endorsement will show that. Not to mention that Edwards wants us to ALL win this fall by keeping McCain out of office. I think part of the endorsement was biting the bullet and saying "You know what, Obama is a good presidential candidate and it's obvious what we have to do here." I think that if Hillary had been where Obama is at this point in the game, and Obama where Hillary is... Edwards would have given just as strong a consideration to endorse Hillary.

I say this as a person who supports Hillary and does not want her to drop out until the primaries are done in June. I respect Edwards a lot and I trust him to be able to make wise choices in his reasoning for endorsements.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:29 AM
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45. Jet skiis all 'round!
:)

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:22 AM
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46. he was promised whatever he wanted
If he wants AG, he got it. If he wants SC, he got it. If he wants VP, he got it.

John Edwards allowed Obama to stomp on the embers of hope Clinton brought out of West Virginia and end hope when Hillary most needed it. He allowed Obama to make up in delegates those he lost in West Virginia. He allowed Obama to say to all superdelegates: It's over, come on it and join the winning team.

Clinton would have given Edwards the same thing, but he didn't want to endorse Clinton, because she is not trustworthy and stands for the wrong things.
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bobbert Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:23 PM
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48. A jet ski
he wanted 2 jet skis, but he should be happy with one
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:25 PM
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49. He kan haz cheezburger.
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