Hey Olbermann! Bush's grandfather SOLD steel to the Nazis! It's IN the Federal Register. Watch this!

[symbolman]

Remember, Bush's OWN Grandfather SOLD STEEL to the Nazis, and Congress went after him, it's IN THE FEDERAL REGISTER for christ's sakes..

Keith Olberman, if you are reading this, go GOOGLE the Federal Register, Congress took away Prescott Bush's BANK for him selling to the Nazis..

When Bush said, "We've heard this appeasement before.." he sure did, at HIS GRANDFATHER'S KNEE..

Here's some more in my Classic Flash attack ad, "Bush is Not a Nazi, So STOP Saying That.."

Turn up those Speakers, and enjoy!

http://www.takebackthemedia.com/bushnonazi.html

here's the link to the Federal Register:

http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/parliament/2398/vesting.html

[grasswire]

1. hmm......maybe Olbermann's family history is at play?

He must be of German descent. It could be holding him back on this issue.

[symbolman]

2. Sheesh, I hadn't thought of that..

:)

Olbermann, wonder if had any folks "fall" in the war.. it would seem like he'd be all over this Federal Register stuff, can't be faked!

Good call, thanks

[grasswire]

3. I'm not making any assumptions or aspersions...

...but it's a possibility.

[Berry Cool]

5. No, it's NOT. Please.

Olbermann does NOT have any Nazis in his family tree and it's absurd to think he might just because he has a German surname.

How bigoted do you have to be to assume that might be the case, just because he hasn't touched on a story you think is important yet?

[symbolman]

14. no one is accusing Olbermann of any Nazi past

We Love the SOB, unlike the few I've seen here lately that don't, but they're just nutso..

Neither of us meant any harm, just sounded German, hell my last girlfriend was a German.. :)

[JerseygirlCT]

15. Many Jews also have German surnames. Using a surname to

deduce Nazi involvement is a really stupid idea!

[Berry Cool]

32. Exactly. Although people also sometimes assume Olbermann is Jewish and that's wrong too.

You can't jump to conclusions from surnames. My mother had two German parents, but you'd never have known it, because her father's name was Scandinavian.

[SharonAnn]

48. Like my da's surname is English, but he's Dutch (many generations back)

[JerseygirlCT]

50. Yes.

And shouldn't we all realize that, esp. here in the US, where so many of us are descendants of any combination of peoples?

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. How about a strawdog and an apology?

Innuendos and not attacking the real Nazis and Fascists that were addressed?

[DemVet]

43. Olbermann is DEFINITELY a German name.

[Name removed]

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[TheWraith]

49. I believe Keith mentioned that his grandparents came over back in the early 1900s or so.

So I doubt that he had any close relatives in Germany during WW2.

[Major Hogwash]

4. Wow, I had no idea Bush was this big of an idiot.

Borah was a revered Senator here in Idaho. When I was a kid they talked about him like he walked on water. When I learned that he was against fighting in WWII, I understood why he had those reasons, yet he was wrong as could be. He died before we entered the war.

However, if Borah would have had his way, we'd all be speaking German today!!

[symbolman]

6. We would have entered that fray anyway Major

Fellow Veteran here..

Hitler was going to be stopped and no one was able to do it but us.. big difference between a REAL Hitler and these tin despots they keep shoving on us, guys that any North Korean could kill while they napped for $100 :)

[psychopomp]

7. An important thread

and not to nit-pick, but it was the Soviets who stopped the Nazis, with help from the United States.

Hitler was going to be stopped and no one was able to do it but us..

I believe the Russians should get credit where credit is due.

Finally, I remember when, during the darkest depths of the *bush misadministration, your videos offered a glimmer of hope. :toast:

[symbolman]

23. True, and thats why you don't see a lot of older men in Russia now, eh?

yeah, they held them off, and we finished them off.. Patton wanted to keep going east while he was at it and finish the job :)

Thanks for remembering my work, after having spent a good couple of hundred thousand fighting these guys and ending up so broke that a kind soul bought me a star here because i was being called a LEECH, its good to hear from Sane folks that remember I TRIED :)

I'm itching to go after McCain with some Flash, wish someone would just hire me and turn me loose :) got so many ideas, may end up being a fucking Walmart greeter in Bush's America..

We're actually considering Selling Takebackthemedia.com but don't want it to fall into the wrong hands..

Its much appreciated my friend :)

[Major Hogwash]

10. You're an outstanding individual.

And don't let anyone ever tell you any different.

The flash player video you made in 2004 of how Bush let the combat troops down by not funding the troops in the field or taking care of them when they came home was the most outstanding flash animation I have ever seen.
The one with the Cranberries singing in the background.
When I heard it, it dropped me to my knees.

Take Back the Media is an excellent web site full of facts, figures and other good stuff. You've done a lot of good work there.

I know you're a veteran.
You're one of the good guys.
You're one of the guys I wanted to be like when I was a kid and grow up to be someday.

[Lint Head]

13. Bush is not just an idiot. He's a fucking criminal that should be in jail.

He is directly responsible for the unwarranted deaths of American troops! Not to mention reading My Pet Goat to school children while 3,000 American citizens were incinerated. He is a coward. He is the Head Coward! His Poppy has shared meals with the very enemy that killed our troops with the missiles Ronald Raygun traded for hostages. It's time for the American people 'get a clue' and have these thugs, Cheney, Rove, Bush and Rumsfeld arrested. :dem:

[Major Hogwash]

25. Then let's prosecute that mofo!

I'm ready! I want Edwards to be the man to do it, too!!

I'm gonna vote for Obama this fall and get out the vote all summer long!

Let's prosecute these guys and try to get our reputation back in the world to what it once was!!

[symbolman]

26. Thanks my Friend

there are so many new folks that all that works been lost in the shuffle :)

Appreciate it!!

You grew up just fine as far as I can see, another one of The Good Guys :)

[nebula]

8. Bush family sued by Holocaust survivors for $40 billion

If only Dems had a spine, this story would have been out there years ago,
and Bush would not have been re-elected in 2004.


----------------

Bush assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act

Guardian UK
September 25 2004

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company's assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator's action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

....The two Holocaust survivors suing the US government and the Bush family for a total of $40bn in compensation claim both materially benefited from Auschwitz slave labour during the second world war.

Kurt Julius Goldstein, 87, and Peter Gingold, 85, began a class action in America in 2001, but the case was thrown out by Judge Rosemary Collier on the grounds that the government cannot be held liable under the principle of "state sovereignty".

www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

[Goodnevil]

16. Prescott

was a tire salesman up in CT if I remember correctly. He married the daughter of a Bremen-based shipping magnate and was promoted to a lofty position in the company so that the German shipping tycoon could say his daughter was married to someone with a future.

That same company helped build Hitler's war machine and Prescott was knee deep in it.

[The Doctor.]

19. They overreached. If they had [i]merely[/i] sued the family,

then the case could not have been thrown out on those grounds.

"If" is just too big a word sometimes.

[uberllama42]

9. Also, he may have been tied to a plot to overthrow FDR

and install a fascist military junta. A group of business leaders devised a plan to stage a putsch in 1933. They approached Marine General Smedley Butler to carry out the overthrow, but he told Congress on them. A Congressional committee found that Butler was telling the truth, but they declined to do anything about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

Just another fascinating piece of American history dropped down the memory hole.

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. Actually, the committee did do SOMETHING.

They BURIED their report. It's NEVER been made public.

[uberllama42]

39. Like I said, down the Memory Hole n/t

[Orsino]

11. We should always remember that this is not in the distant past.

It's part of the the basis of the Bush family fortune, which they use to rule us now.

[nebula]

12. Not ancient history

To this day, Nazis and their associates are being hunted down and prosecuted.

[ms liberty]

17. K&R - and don't forget Smedley Butler...n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. Don't forget Exxon and General Motors also

http://books.google.com/books?id=ij7xEul8FDEC&dq=general+motors+and+the+nazis&pg=PP1&ots=aTetuN2Ysn&sig=tlmhiZCpuHL-AhH2UF4qdVHPauo&hl=en&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fclient%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26q%3Dgeneral%2Bmotors%2Band%2Bthe%2Bnazis%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8&sa=X&oi=print&ct=title&cad=one-book-with-thumbnail


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QSBR7FZPL._SL500_BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.jpg

Available on line.

[Major Hogwash]

24. Over Rancho Grande?

I don't think I'll ever be over Rancho Grande.

[BadgerKid]

27. Looks like a bad week for * to stop drinking. n/t

[The Doctor.]

21. K+R

:kick:

[madrchsod]

28. mom`s side of the family are wasp racists!

what a family!

[symbolman]

29. Heh, last time I licked something that looked a lot like your avatar

I had a pretty good time...

Gee, wonder if the statute of limitations has run out on all that by now.. anyway, dogs were talking that day, and it seemed perfectly reasonable :)

Seems like a LOT of people were having a pretty good time back then, and not breaking each others balls over every little thing.. ah, the good old days, thanks for the memory :)

[AwakeAtLast]

30. This thread is useless without more recs!

:D


I stole the lounge's thunder! :rofl:



Seriously, great post - it really does need about 100 more recs.

[rabidgeorge]

31. I don't think it's fair to link Bush to his grandfather

guilt by association is not an effective mode of argument. If it were, Obama could be linked to Wright.

[Berry Cool]

34. Except Wright's not his grandfather.

But I do agree it's not worth spending a lot of time on. We can't be held responsible for what our grandparents did before we were born.

As far as I'm concerned, Bush has committed enough crimes himself that we don't need to burden him with any sins of his grandfather on top of that. Let him account for his own.

[Blue_In_AK]

37. It's not unusual, though

for certain family values to be passed down through generations, and Prescott is only a couple of generations back, after all. I know that I personally hold a lot of the same values that my grandparents did.

[grasswire]

38. it's not just Bush family values at play

It's Skull and Bones values. The manufacture of chaos for gain is part of the Hegelian, Malthusian philosophies of the particular gaggle of elites.

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[Barack_America]

41. Grovelbot, why always post #33?

Are you a fan of Kris Draper?

[Imagevision]

35. Too bad Obama camp won't use Prescott Bush's ww2 nazi activities...

[sabbat hunter]

52. why would he

Obama isn't going to be running against granddaddy shrub, he is going to be running against mcshrub.

Why should we condemn someone for something their grandfather (or father did)?

Don't we have plenty that * himself did (or in some cases didn't do) to condemn him about?

Do we condemn Bob Bennett (who defending Pres Clinton during the Monica ridiculousness) for what his brother Bill does?


I think it is very unfair to judge the family/descendents for what their ancestors did.

Do we condemn the great great grandchildren of people who held slaves back over 100 years ago? Even if they built their fortune on that slavery?

Do we condemn the children, family of criminals who may have raped, committed murder etc?

[Blue_In_AK]

36. Yes, I've been surprised

that Jr.'s own family's Nazi ties haven't been brought to the fore in all this talk. It seems like anything should be fair game after his unconscionable remarks today.

[symbolman]

40. Especially

after what he said today, this would be a total smackdown, maybe the Media's getting enough guts to give Bush a good kick about this time..

I sent the Federal Register link to both KO and Abrams, maybe someone will pick it up.. Love to see THIS out there..

Screw these hypocritical bastards to the wall :)

They're messing with My President!

[symbolman]

42. Kick

for the day crowd, and if KO's people are poking around the DU today.. :)

[sabbat hunter]

45. Joe Kennedy

Worked with the Nazi's too.

Bob Bennett's brother Bill is a right wing shill. (bob is a liberal)

We cannot condemn family members for the actions of their parents or sibilings.

[symbolman]

46. The Chimp Doesn't fall far from the TREE

that Daddy climbed out of.. like someone mentioned here, these Bastards have been USING that DIRTY MONEY to fuck this country Over for GENERATIONS, and THEN Bush has the GALL to make HITLER NOISES?

HOW MANY JEWS DIED as a result of these deals, and then he TRIES to Pit Jews against a Black Man?

If he wants to bring the subject up, then he better damn well be ready for hearing shit he doesn't LIKE, and the Public needs to know that the Bush's were not JUST Horsethieves, rather they TRADED WITH THE ENEMY,

JUST LIKE THEY DO NOW.

It's in the BLOOD.

[WinkyDink]

47. Joe Kennedy lost a son and a daughter during WWII, so drop it.

He didn't "work with" the Nazis; he was very mistaken in thinking that one could live with a Nazi rule.
But he didn't break laws and make a FORTUNE BANK-ROLLING HITLER, as Prescott Bush did.

[bajamary]

51. Karl Rove's grandfather, a Nazi, helped build Birkenau death camp

Karl Rove's grandfather was Karl Heinz Roverer, the Gauleiter of Oldenburg. Roverer was Reich-Statthalter---Nazi State Party Chairman---for his region. He was also a partner and senior engineer in the Roverer Sud-Deutche Ingenieurburo A. G. engineering firm, which built the Birkenau death camp, at which tens of thousands of Jews, Gypsies, dissidents and other were slaughtered en masse.