I find this coordinated "sexism" attack on behalf of Hillary awfully suspicious.

[dkf]

Looks like Hillary wants the Vice Presidency and she's sent out her minions to agitate.

[True_Blue]

1. Don't worry sweetie

Hillary doesn't want the VP spot. Especially since she thinks Obama is going to lose.

[Cha]

5. That's right..hilary can go back

to New York and know she did her damnest but that wasn't good enough.

[Cha]

2. I was reading it.."sexist attacks on hilary" ..

and, I'm thinking "What?" But, now I know what you mean. Bottom line..no way is hilary the pilary gonna be on our ticket. She Burned baby Burned that bridge.

[dkf]

7. I hope you are right.

She's the most persistent thing I've ever met...worse than the telemarketers from my Alma Mater and they drive me batty.

[boppers]

21. I respect her persistance.

Her tactics, not so much.

But ya gotta give her kudos on persistence. Even when she has no chance, no hope, she's out there fighting.

Hm. Thread idea.

[mkultra]

67. kind of like darth vader

he was persistent too.

[Cha]

71. Rats are persistent too..ya gotta have

a good product to warrant kudos for persistence. hilary's a liar, persistently.

[TahitiNut]

3. Poor Nell

:shrug:

[anigbrowl]

4. Seems that way

Or at least some of her supporters are acting like that. And remember, it's sexist for anyone but Hillary Clinton to be offered the job. Per Taylor Marsh:

"Oh, and for the record, Claire McCaskill, Kathleen Sebelius nor Janet Napolitano will do. Ask a Clinton supporter ready to cast a protest vote for McCain. She'll tell you."

Sounds like blackmail to me. Meanwhile, the folk at Hillaryis44.com are getting even wackier than usual. I'm really starting to wonder if they are even Democrats...what's with all the secrecy about who runs the site and their tagging Obama as 'scum' etc.? It's looking more and more like a stealth McCain recruitment center.

[NanceGreggs]

10. Speaking of 'real Democrats' ...

... does anyone here have a link to a pro-Obama site that is encouraging voting for McCain if Obama isn't the nominee?

:shrug:

[MonkeyFunk]

28. I imagine you'd see plenty of it

if Clinton had the nomination. The hatred for her among Obama fans is impressive.

[Marrah_G]

62. Sorry I don't roam around the web looking for little groups of crazy people.

I have better things to do with my time.

[NanceGreggs]

6. The only VP spot she's earned ...

... and/or is suitable for is on McCain's ticket. I just don't know how John feels about it at this point.

I guess we'll all have to adopt a wait and see attitude.

[dkf]

9. Gosh that would drive the freepers batty.

It certainly would be entertaining.

[jgraz]

24. There's always VP of WalMart.

[LittleBlue]

8. These women ought to look at themselves

I'm a guy. Really I won't be affected like women if McCain is nominated and Roe v Wade is overturned. Why do some of these Hillary women have less sense than I do on this issue? Even I can see what will happen to them and their daughters if they allow McInsane to appoint more Scalitos.

[Elspeth]

12. Obama supporters should look at themselves and ask why they supported

the less qualified candidate whose positions are not different from Clinton. If you think Obama is not and will not be bought and paid for, think again. All that DNC money comes from somewhere.

[LittleBlue]

14. It doesn't matter.

No matter how much money he gets from anywhere, he will never appoint someone to overturn Roe v Wade. If Hillary is gone, why support McCain? He will do his best to appoint weirdos to the SCOTUS and overturn a woman's right to choose.

Really you're losing perspective here. Spiting your nose despite your face, imo. The danger arises not from electing Obama.

[dkf]

15. I don't see how being first lady gives her any experience.

I certainly wouldn't vote for Laura Bush for President. Nor would I elect Nancy Reagan or Barbara Bush.

Lastly, seeing her run her campaign and reading how she managed the health care task force scares the bejesus out of me. Her managerial skills are simply awful.

[emilyg]

19. Comparing the wonderful, smart Clinton to the other women is lame.

[dkf]

30. I wouldn't elect Rosalyn Carter either.

And I wouldn't have voted for Jackie O, even though I thought she was fantastic.

[Elspeth]

32. Clinton has more time in the Senate; Barack is still in his first term.

....

[mckeown1128]

36. Obama has more time clocked in as an elected official. nt

[rodeodance]

60. yes, be sure to count his PRESENT timeframe.

[Jamastiene]

51. They refuse to count that as experience yet they blame her

for things her husband did. They want it both ways, as usual.

[mckeown1128]

74. lol I can't see what Ignored posted above you....

so I am assuming it is spin lol.

[OzarkDem]

38. Hillary Clinton worked tirelessly on women's issues

when she was First Lady. She was involved at the policy and legislative level, not just going to teas.

That's been documented many times on this forum.

[rodeodance]

58. It was Obama himself who made that sexist comment about

Hillary and tea parties as her foreign experience.

And his fans here continue the sexist comments

[rodeodance]

57. you have chosen to remain ignorant of her roles as First Lady--it is an insult

to compare her to laura Bush.

Yet you spread your ignorant based smears freely.

[OzarkDem]

37. Women's issues are much, much more than Rove v Wade

Women make up the largest percentage of people living in or near poverty in the US. That didn't happen overnight, its been going on a long time and there are a multitude of factors that cause it.

Having a president that understands and wants to do something to change it is very important, not just for women but for our country.

[seaglass]

47. That is a threat that is getting very very weak. Bush is Pres,

SCOTUS is rw - so tell me now, when did they overturn Roe v Wade?

[Elspeth]

11. Coordinated? Some of us have just had it.

We've watched the M$M and Obama supporters tear her down as a woman and some of us have finally had it.

And some of us are considering our options.

[dkf]

13. Can you show me an example of sexism that didn't come from some dittohead?

Because I just don't see it.

[JeanGrey]

16. I agree! What sexism? I haven't seen any and that is the truth.

On the other hand I've seen the race card thrown at Obama in disgusting ways.

[LeFleur1]

34. Links?

Links, please.

[Elspeth]

31. Look throught the cess pool that is GD-P.

Look at the speech that is allowed against women, even on this board.

[OzarkDem]

39. Agree, there's plenty of evidence

[NanceGreggs]

17. Oh, yes, you're so RIGHT!

She lied about Bosnia sniper fire - but she got 'torn down' because she's a woman.

She told voters that McCain was a better bet for POTUS than her fellow Dem, who was 'just a speech he gave in 2002' - and they 'tore her down' because she's a woman.

She signed a pledge, under oath, agreeing that votes in MI and FL would not be counted, and then - when she was LOSING - took the opposite position. But they tore her down on that point, because she's a woman.

By all means do go off and CONSIDER YOUR OPTIONS.

Whether you like it or not, Obama will be the nominee. Your 'options' will be (a) voting for Obama, (b) voting for McCain, or (c) not voting (same as voting for McCain).

Now be sure to come back and tell us how a McCain presidency will NOT 'tear down' ALL women, and their rights.

I'm fuckin' waiting ...

[NoodleBoy]

18. word.

[NanceGreggs]

22. STILL WAITIN' ... n/t

[bigpenguin]

29. ...

I love you, NanceGreggs.

(long time lurker, finally getting some damn posting done)

[helderheid]

59. DITTO!

:hi:

[jgraz]

25. By all means, consider your options

If you run out of ideas, I have a few suggestions for you -- human anatomy permitting.

[sniffa]

45. Would you climb down off that cross and stop bogarting it

There are other HRC supporters who would like a turn up there.

[Jamastiene]

52. Precisely.

When the Democratic party shits on us, we have to wash it off somehow. And that's basically what they have done to the women and the nonsexist men in the party. They have told us to shut up, take our shoes off, go to the the kitchen, and fetch their Chablis for them.

We've had all we can stand now. We've had it. Let them fetch their own Chablis, wash the skid marks off their own silk drawers, and service their own less endowed contents. They aren't worth the effort it took for their momma's, who they all hate (they hate Hillary Clinton because she reminds them of their momma, according to them) to give birth to them. Time to disown their petulant spoiled "my way or the highway" dittoheadism and do what is best for us now.

[Jim Sagle]

20. Hopefully she'd tell Barry to shove the VP slot up his ass.

I strongly doubt that she has ANY interest in sharing a ticket.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

26. Agreed. I don't want her anywhere near the ticket either.

:thumbsup:


:eyes:

[Jim Sagle]

76. OTOH, I don't want HIM anywhere near HER ticket.

As his VP she'd just be the all-purpose excuse for whatever goes wrong.

[jgraz]

73. Way to use Obama's Stormfront nickname

Tell me, are there any other words in your vocabulary that you learned from white supremacists?

[Jim Sagle]

75. You lying, deceitful scumbag.."Barry" is in use all over the spectrum.

[Diane R]

23. Yep....it is suspicious. I think Hillary is just plain desperate.

[KSinTX]

27. Did you ever stop to think

Most of these people you are fighting with are not Hillary supporters. They are not Obama supporters. They are not even Democrats. They are operatives sent in to bring strife and discord into the party? Who ultimately benefits if Democrats believe this stuff? Certainly not Hillary. Nor Obama. Only McCain gets a lift out of this discontent.

If you are stupid enough to fall for this Rovian manipulation and waste your time name-calling and indulging in the self-fulfilling prophecy, then you are exactly the fool you're being played to be. And you are the fools who keep snatching defeat from Democratic jaws of victory.

This is the most diverse party in the country (yes, there are political parties other than the two bigs) and there are a lot of diverging issues. But have you really asked yourself: What REAL democrat would say many of the things that have been put on these boards? I'm not talking about divisive retorts - I'm talking about the initial salvo. If it doesn't make sense, it's not true.

If you believe that the inner sanctum of a Democratic web site is somehow immune to opposition attacks, you are delusional. Think it through before you give the knee-jerk response next time. Ask yourself, do I really know who I'm talking to and is the person on the distant keyboard just laughing at me.

[Spazito]

35. I agree, those posing as Hillary supporters on those sites are NOT

Democrats. They are repubs desperately trying to salvage their version of Operation Chaos. Create havoc and divisiveness in hopes of suppressing votes for Obama. They will succeed as well as the repubs in Mississippi did, MAJOR FAIL.

[OzarkDem]

41. Got an example?

[Spazito]

43. They are going to vote for McCain, example enough n/t

[OzarkDem]

44. Link?

[Spazito]

46. Oh, I suspect you already have links to those sites, no need for me

to provide them. I will, however, provide a link to a DU thread providing some examples for you:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5992918

[KSinTX]

66. Do admissions of such count?

Posted on freerepublic.com:

"I am a conservative who has been living at the website democraticunderground.com. Why? Cause it's like watching a car crash in slow motion. It's WW3 over there and I can't stop visiting, looking, and laughing at those guys over there. Do I need help? Or is my "Schadenfreude" ok. I mean we are talking about Dems here...lol " Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008

"I'm not sure what you'd be looking for, but I will throw out there that I have an account at DU which I use as a mole every now and then...would that get me in trouble?" Thursday, October 05, 2006

"I knew you guys would love this stuff!
This is the email I used when I joined DU several months ago. I'm now signed up for all these "Progressive Newsletters" and find them... barfable..." Posted: Wednesday, June 01, 2005

So, isn't it possible that many of the people fomenting the greatest dissent on this board (even longtime members) are nothing more than Republican sleepers having a bit of fun at our expense?

[OzarkDem]

40. Welcome to DU

Most of the women engaged in this discussion have been here for several years, unlike those who joined in April of this year.

[KSinTX]

65. Thanks! I enjoy being here lounging about

I know there's a tendency to dismiss my point out of hand but if I'm totally off base, would you please explain these postings on freerepublic.com:

"I am a conservative who has been living at the website democraticunderground.com. Why? Cause it's like watching a car crash in slow motion. It's WW3 over there and I can't stop visiting, looking, and laughing at those guys over there. Do I need help? Or is my "Schadenfreude" ok. I mean we are talking about Dems here...lol " Posted: Thursday, April 03, 2008

"I'm not sure what you'd be looking for, but I will throw out there that I have an account at DU which I use as a mole every now and then...would that get me in trouble?" Thursday, October 05, 2006

"I knew you guys would love this stuff!
This is the email I used when I joined DU several months ago. I'm now signed up for all these "Progressive Newsletters" and find them... barfable..." Posted: Wednesday, June 01, 2005

In light of the above, the number of a member's posts seems neither a good indicator of an individual's sincerity nor of his true political inclination. In fact, it actually reinforces the board's rule to not do so. So I ask again, isn't it possible that many of the people fomenting the greatest dissent on this board are nothing more than sleepers having a bit of fun at our expense?

[redqueen]

53. One of those "we're so fucking stupid we're voting for McCain!" women

is a long-time Dem activist, whom someone on this board knows in real life. She's run for office as a Dem.

It's nice to think that they're all just republicans / trolls, but no. They're not.

[Jamastiene]

54. You people are a laugh riot.

[FlaGranny]

68. You noticed the triple teamers too, huh?

If they are for real, they're pretty scary people and none too intelligent either.

[KSinTX]

70. I simply can't believe they're for real

And I don't waste my time screaming at THEM. I just want to put out there to our side that if we succumb to it we will have AGAIN done ourselves in.

I want Victory. I like Winning. :party:

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[sniffa]

50. SEXST BLLSHIT

[TwilightGardener]

42. Yep. Make it seem like feminists will actually pull the lever for McCain

if they don't get a vagina on the ticket. Good luck with that, ladies.

[iamthebandfanman]

48. i ignore(not with the button, just dont pay attention) to hillary supporters

now.

i suggest the majority of us do the same ;)

its over. unless they have something to say in favor of us in the GE, then they dont exsist to me ;)
if they wanna keep trying to divide, thats fine... but i wont play ANY part in it.

[stillcool]

49. more of the same...

Did Hillary "Play The Gender Card"?
By Greg Sargent - November 2, 2007, 3:51PM

So what really happened here, anyway?
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2007/11/did_hillary_play_the_gender_card.php
After the debate, Hillary's campaign sent out an email describing her as "one tough woman" and deriding the nature of the "piling on" that had ensued. And the next day, AFSCME president Gerald McEntee endorsed Hillary with remarks that almost certainly had plenty of input from the Hillary campaign: "Six guys against Hillary. I’d call that a fair fight. This is one strong woman.:
So just after the debate the campaign didn't argue that she was being attacked because she's a woman. But the campaign clearly did try to strongly emphasize the gender picture here.
--------------------

Hillary pollster Mark Penn subsequently said in a conference call that the image of six men beating up on Hillary would play well with female voters. And anonymous Clinton advisers told the Associated Press that "there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of
gathering against her." Though one should approach anonymous stuff with caution, this doesn't seem especially difficult to believe.
---------------------------------------------------------
Bottom line: As best as we can determine, Hillary never explicitly made the accusation that the men were piling up on her because she's a woman. But you'd have to be very credulous indeed not to believe that the campaign is explicitly trying to emphasize, for various political reasons, the fact that she's a woman getting hammered by a bunch of men. I don't know if that constitutes "playing the gender card" or not -- the exact meaning of the term is unclear, at least to me -- but that's obviously what's going on.

Sunday, November 4, 2007
CLINTON PLANNED TO USE GENDER CARD ALL ALONG

RON FOURNIER, AP - Clinton's advisers, speaking on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss internal matters, said there is a clear and long-planned strategy to fend off attacks by accusing her male rivals of gathering against her. The idea is to change the subject while making Clinton a sympathetic figure, especially among female voters who often feel outnumbered and bullied on the job. As one adviser put it, Clinton is not the first presidential candidate to play the "woe-is-me card" but she's the first major female presidential candidate to do it.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071101/ap_po/on_deadline_c...

[ShortnFiery]

55. Yeah, but the "feigned outrage" is no longer a valid tactic.

Displays of self-righteous indignation plays well "for the short term" but it also "gets old real fast."

Kindly take "the acting" elsewhere? :shrug:

[sfam]

56. Fine. Lets select Sebelius or Napolitano...they should be THRILLED!!!

We'll get a woman in the VP slot while keeping the new politics message. Work for everyone? Great!

[Marrah_G]

61. Coordinated attack? Minions? Just exactly who are you talking about?

[Lilith Velkor]

64. The hive mind that we feminists all share, of course

Didn't you know that feminists are all 1) USAmericans 2) rabid Hillarians 3) off our collective rocker because sexism does not exist so stop saying that?

Oh, and Limbaugh was right all along to call us Nazis. That's the "progressive" position these days. :eyes:

[indimuse]

63. Madame President To You!

[Buzz Clik]

69. Thursday is always "sexism" day.

Didn't you read the memo?

[AtomicKitten]

72. The talking points de jour from ClintonCo are cyclic.

Her diffuse cries of sexism are made to drown out the fact that she has used race against Barack.

from The Nation:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080519/betsyreed

Yet what is most troubling--and what has the most serious implications for the feminist movement--is that the Clinton campaign has used her rival's race against him. In the name of demonstrating her superior "electability," she and her surrogates have invoked the racist and sexist playbook of the right--in which swaggering macho cowboys are entrusted to defend the country--seeking to define Obama as too black, too foreign, too different to be President at a moment of high anxiety about national security. This subtly but distinctly racialized political strategy did not create the media feeding frenzy around the Rev. Jeremiah Wright that is now weighing Obama down, but it has positioned Clinton to take advantage of the opportunities the controversy has presented. And the Clinton campaign's use of this strategy has many nonwhite and nonmainstream feminists crying foul.

While 2008 was never going to be a "postracial" campaign, the early racially tinged skirmishes between the Clinton and Obama camps seemed containable. There were references by Clinton campaign officials to Obama's admission of past drug use; the tit-for-tat over Clinton's tone-deaf but historically accurate statement that Martin Luther King needed Lyndon Johnson for his civil rights dreams to be realized; and insinuations that Obama is a token, unqualified, overreaching--that he's all pretty words, "fairy tales" and no action.

* snip *

"More than any single thing, that moment with Bill Clinton in South Carolina represents the rupture that was coming," says Harris-Lacewell. The moment occurred in late January, when the former President compared Obama's landslide win, in which he received a major boost from African-American voters, to Jesse Jackson's victories there in 1984 and 1988. Because the former President offered the comparison unprompted, in response to a question that had nothing to do with Jackson or race, the statement was widely read as chalking up Obama's win to his blackness alone and thus attempting to marginalize him as a doomed minority candidate with limited appeal. Obama was now "the black candidate," in the words of one Clinton strategist quoted by the AP.

[VotesForWomen]

77. she's got enough sense to let Obama go down on his own. nt