The blind support of Hillary Clinton

[JeanGrey]

I haven't started many threads on here but tonight on a another forum I read something that just appalled me. Apparently it was from a Hillary supporter who claims to have known her since grammer school.

This is the gist of it:

Hillary isn't a quitter, she's known her since grade school and she is just a "strong" person who doesn't give up. (right).

She knows FULL WELL that she isn't going into the White House, at least not now but she is setting herself up politically for a leadership role (???) in the Senate, anticipating that the dems will win at least the Presidency and that because of all the nonsense Bill did, she has to BUILD A LEGACY. (I'm not kidding).

Then she goes on to say the campaign has been bad on both sides (!!) and both should regret what they've done (this one I'm totally slumped on, I cannot believe the restraint Obama has shown).

And also that she wouldn't "hurt the party" even if she goes all the way to convention, as long as Bill and Hillary are there basically to smack Obama on the back and say "atta boy".

When I confronted her about lies, she said "there are different LEVELS OF LIES. Hillary's Bosnia Lie was just like "Bill's Monica Lie". And therefore, OK. Everybody lies. Especially the Clinton's, and no one can say anything about their lies unless they are compared to other lies and anyway, it's all politics.


Okay folks. I'm aghast reading this kind of stuff. Everything she puts down to make excuses for her only underscores why I don't want her anywhere NEAR the White House.

Comments?

[FrenchieCat]

1. I'm believing it. Cause my memory is longer than since lunchtime.....

she's just hoping most will forget what we actually witnessed. Maybe because she really does think we are stupid.

[mcctatas]

3. Or T-Mac is dosing her latte with whatever goofballs he's

hopped up on....

[JeanGrey]

6. If she is correct and really does know her, that she IS doing

this on purpose when she knows full well she cannot win. I disagreed with her about setting herself up for leadership in the Senate, I actually think her seat might be in jeopardy after this - but just wow.

[dorktv]

2. How many votes did the two of them get?

Yeah, it hurt the party. :eyes:

[JeanGrey]

7. You don't think her threats to take this to the convention

aren't hurting the party? Well I do. I've got tons of friends that are independents and also repubican, and I've been trying to convince them that WE are the party of decency and compassion and all the rest and here this disgraceful primary because of Hillary hasn't gone far to convince them!

[dorktv]

8. Not showing much deceny and compassion to Senator Clinton exercising

her right to take her delegates to convention.

Now are you?

[JeanGrey]

12. If she does she is hurting the party and Obama, and she

knows this. As her friend said, it is all for her "legacy". That is unbelievably selfish. I'm sorry.

[dorktv]

15. Hmmm...a floor vote that matters-think it will get coverage or not?

If you think no, you are incorrect.

[writes3000]

17. Here's my problem with Senator Hillary Clinton.

She lies.

She freely, casually distorts the truth in incredibly self-serving ways.

And she rarely expresses remorse or a decent explanation for her distortions.

I love the fact that she's a strong woman and that she's fighting to become President. I think she's incredibly smart. But because I know she's so smart, it means her methods are purposeful. And it implies that she believes that most Americans won't catch on to what the real truth is.

I want to trust my President more than I do not trust her or him.

And that's where I have my problem with Hillary Clinton.

A fight at the convention disturbs me because I don't trust that she will act honorably. And I hate feeling that way.

[dorktv]

18. *shrugs* I know way too many politicians to be upset over lies.

Even stupid lies that make no sense.

[writes3000]

21. I can deal with a lie - if - there's a reasonable explanation for it.

I'm watching Hillary lie/distort at least once a week.

She has complete culpability for the position that Florida and Michigan find themselves in. And I fundamentally believe that the Obama campaign's stalling on this issue is in large part due to their belief that they cannot trust the Clinton campaign.

Hillary is claiming that she always said these elections should count.

That is a lie. A bold-faced, self serving lie.

I can not shrug it off. All politicians are not like this.

[dorktv]

22. Wait a damn second, she had NOTHING to do with the idiotic decisions of

the State Leges of those states.

And if you think all politicians are not like her saying she always thought they should count, you may want to recheck a few things.

[writes3000]

25. She agreed and signed off on the DNC decision.

She knew full well what it meant.

And now she's acting as if she knew nothing about it. As if she's been against it the whole time.

That's a lie. It's inherently dishonest.

And yes, I'm saying that she seems to lie/distort alot. Too much for my tastes.

[dorktv]

26. As I said earlier, *shrug* That is you. I am not one to find that annoying in a

politician.

Perhaps a pastor...but not a job that entails a bunch of lies.

[writes3000]

29. So if all lies are okay...

What are you basing your support on. Her campaign policies. She could be lying about those.

Her convictions? What if they're lies?

Example: I don't think Hillary Clinton honestly wants to obliterate Iran. I think she'll use diplomacy until she feels she has no other choice.

But right now? I'm not sure what to believe because I'm no longer sure where she stands. Where's the truth vs. the "all politicans lie" truth.

[dorktv]

45. Who says I support her?

I just defend her because the hate for her is mostly unreasonable.

[dansolo]

41. Just like her claim that the IWR was for diplomacy

Hillary has a history of taking politically expedient positions, and then going back on them later claiming that she wasn't aware of the real impact of her positions. She is the worst kind of self-serving liar there is. In some ways she is worse than Bush.

[emilyg]

23. All politicians lie.

[writes3000]

27. That answer isn't good enough. There have to be some standards.

The quantity and quality of lies/distortions that have come from Clinton alarms me.

[JeanGrey]

34. So if all politicians lie, why should it bother us when

republicans and righties lie?

[Rene]

38. read www.attacktimeline.com t to see who really has lied and interject false stories--bho

[writes3000]

4. Many, many people are so personally invested in these candidates they've stopped being rational

You can see it all over this board.

Inflammatory, extremist, over-the-top flamebait....

And these people are DETERMINED to punish the "other" side.

[JeanGrey]

9. I guess. This person accused me of saying "hateful" things

about Hillary Clinton and asked me why I wanted to put her "down" when she is the best chance we will ever have for a woman in the White House, and basically wasn't I a traitor to my sex?

It was really weird.

[writes3000]

14. Identity politics are ROUGH....because failure means "you" are not worthy.

And no one wants to feel like they aren't worthy, equal, qualified, deserving.

I think that's what's going on for many Clinton supporters and Obama supporters. Their self-worth is now tied into these campaigns.

[murielm99]

5. And there is no blind support of Obama?

I guess you have never been to one of his rallies. And you have never seen some of the people I see here in Illinois. They don't know why they support him, but they do.

[emilyg]

10. I keep asking people I know -

what "change"? they don't know.

[JeanGrey]

13. Really? I get lots of answers on change. But I will admit

that a lot of his support is because he is new, young, and exciting. People are fed up with the Bush's and the Clinton's. Hillary did herself no favors by acting like Queen Elizbeth and believing as she said "it'll be over by February 5th". How could she has misfired like that? She has been arrogant, and downright mean playing the race card. I think he has own incredible restraint.

[dorktv]

16. I am named for Queen Elizabeth, have spent much of my life learning about her

and to that I say "YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT."

Senator Clinton has been working her ass off-even before 2/5-for this nomination, if she thought it would be over, so what? Many people thought the same thing otherwise why would we have had SuperDuper Tuesday?

[JeanGrey]

30. What? Super Tuesday is in existance because Hillary

thought she had the nom? ????

[dorktv]

44. NO. Pay attention:

IF Senator Clinton, LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO MOVE THEIR STATE PRIMARIES TO SUPERDUPER TUESDAY, thought the race would be over, she was wrong.

She had to change her mindset. It happens. Now if you want to take issue with her saying she knew it would go past SuperDuper Tuesday when she did not, fine. But to claim she was the only person to think it was going to be done by then is disingenous.

[JeanGrey]

50. Who the hell cares if she was the only person who said it?

SHE SAID IT. It is more evidence of her towering arrogance that it would "all be over by Super Tuesday". That is fact you cannot get around. Didn't work well for her, did it?

[JeanGrey]

42. What? Are you claiming super tuesday was the direct result

of Clinton? LOL Hillary's no Queen Elizabeth!

[murielm99]

19. Okay. And how does this address the blind support

for Obama that I mentioned?

[JeanGrey]

31. Because People aren't supporting someone who has already

lost when they support Obama. HILLARY HAS ALREADY LOST. And she still has blind supporters who cling to fantasy.

This same person actually believes that Obama will settle for Vice President!!! (It's like the twilight zone)

[emilyg]

24. Yes, really.

I also ask them - how will he implement any change - how will he pay for it. I get blank looks back.

[JeanGrey]

32. His policies are not much different from hers as you well know.

I get a lot of "blank stares" when I say "she has lost and cannot catch up".

[sandnsea]

35. Change from lying pieces of shit like Hillary

how 'bout that for starters.

[Mags]

47. I do to Emilyg. They just say change, like they are programed.

[JeanGrey]

11. Yes of course they know "why". And I know he has a lot

of support and rightly so.

[murielm99]

20. Many of them do not know why. Ask them and you will see. nt

[FrenchieCat]

28. You underestimate college educated people.....a lot.

Too sad.

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[XemaSab]

36. I'm rereading "Primary Colors"

'Ol Anonymous didn't have a high opinion of "Susan" there...

[Rene]

37. Are you one of the hundreds of bloggers hired by the obama campaign?

Hillary supporters aren't sheeple. We have our eyes wide open and know who would make the best President. I'll never vote for someone I never even heard of 12 months ago, who's practically hid under his desk in the Senate - not fulfilling his current job in the least and not making actual decisions (120 PRESENT votes) He can cut out preaching too---what an absolute turnoff.

[last_texas_dem]

39. It seems to me that both campaigns have their share of "sheeple."

[Perry Logan]

40. Hillary supporters quote Hillary's record. Obama supporters smear Hillary and her supporters.

[JeanGrey]

43. Nonsense. You don't really believe that, do you?

This thread is about why people are still stubbornly believing someone who has no chance, no chance at all, can still pull it off? I've personally never seen anything like it.

[mudesi]

46. They're a cult (nm)

[Mags]

48. na, that's for you folk.

[LWolf]

49. My comments:

The blind support of any voter for any candidate appalls me.

I see MORE blind support for Obama than I do for HRC.

I don't support either of them, because I am not blind.