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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:14 AM
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What positive role could/should Hillary have in an Obama presidency?
I know there's lots of folks still hot under the collar, but I'd like to see some folks put on their thinking caps, and opt for an optimistic second or two, to think about a good role for somebody who is:

1. A tenacious fighter.
2. Somebody who can (and does) appeal to women's votes.
3. Relentless in pursuit of her stated goals (See #1.)
4. Willing to wheel and deal with the lobbyist side of Washington.

Now, I know some folks are still in teeth-bared, snarky, fighting mode, but I'm curious about how we can turn this situation from a bitter liability... into an asset.

Here's some ideas:
A "Women's Czar", to make sure that things like the goals of the ERA happen?
Secretary of State, an iron fist to balance out Obama's velvet glove?

What say you DU, can you find her an ideal role that matches the best, and arguably worst, of her attributes?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:16 AM
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1. Senate Whip.
:shrug:

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:19 AM
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6. After all of this, can she be re-elected?
:shrug:
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:27 AM
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11. Of course, she can. At least, she can try if she wants to.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 02:29 AM by Radio_Lady
The DU is no place to judge this.

Most of her New York supporters either don't know about or don't care what we say at the Democratic Underground.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:36 PM
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89. As a New Yorker who knows lots of New Yorkers,
not on DU, who wouldn't vote for hilary as a Dog Catcher(think of the poor little doggies).

hilary can move to West Virginia and get the bigot vote.













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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:29 AM
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13. If she wants to make the most of it, she could be a great senate leader.
You know, lemons and lemonade. It would actually give her more freedom to push the issues she cares about and rebalance the roles of Congress and the executive. Her seat will be secure if she works hard for the next 4 years, and she'll have room to disagree with Obama without undermining him.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:38 AM
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18. Wow, I'm liking this idea.
Hillary as a whip, in the legislative branch, having meetings with the executive branch.... ooh, this could be pretty.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:50 AM
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20. Do you seriously believe that black voters willl just
say, it was an election year, she got crazy?

:wow:
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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:06 AM
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43. Clinton is still backed by many black pols in New York
Edited on Fri May-16-08 05:08 AM by jumptheshadow
After a period of negotiation with Obama, which hopefully will include helping him "tweak" his policies on health care and social security, she needs to campaign 18 hours a day for him. She has strong constituencies and could be a tremendous help to him.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:27 PM
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76. It remains to be seen how much support she now has in New York.
Even Rangel lost it with her after her hardworking white baloney.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:36 AM
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16. If not in New York, then in West VIrginia. Robert Byrd's seat probably.
:hide:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:51 AM
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21.  . . .
:shrug:

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jumptheshadow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:57 AM
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38. Yes, of course she can
Edited on Fri May-16-08 05:00 AM by jumptheshadow
Hillary took the New York State primary easily and has staunch support in both the New York area and the more working class and rural upstate area. She and Obama will make peace, and if she has any political instincts at all, she will be an invaluable campaigner for him. She should campaign in must-win states where she has a good base and which Obama supporters seem to be conceding (like Florida). And, yes, most people could give a damn about the childish rantings about both Clinton and Obama on a political internet board.

And, to answer the OP's question, she could be very useful to Obama in the Senate.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:20 AM
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7. Senate Whip doesn't sound too bad....
Unfortunately, I dunno how people get that job. Does the executive branch get to appoint it?
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:38 AM
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17. Elected by the majority and minority caucuses ... their peers.
:shrug:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:58 AM
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22. People who have administrative jobs in the Senate, like Whip, Leader, etc.
are VOTED IN BY THEIR PEERS.

If "the Executive Branch" doled out those favors, Zell Miller would have stayed in the Senate to be Majority Leader.

It's not a consolation prize, handed out as a little pat on the head.

It's earned by the person with the best talent at uniting diverse interests, who has expressed an interest in the job, who has campaigned amongst his or her peers for the position, who has worked his or her way up the "administrative leadership" ladder, and it is only so done after a VOTE.

Why do you think Murtha didn't get the whip job? Because he has NEVER, in all his years in the House, done one frigging administrative thing--not even dinky shit, like making arrangements for the Xmas party catering.

You have to work that shit, volunteer to help the leadership, work your way up, and convince your peers to vote for you. You RUN for the job. It's not a gift.

And it's a hell of a lot of work too. Much of it thankless. About the only advantage is you get a few more staffers for your trouble.

It never ceases to amaze me how the way our system works is such a mystery to so many. When Pelosi and Hoyer were elected, that was well covered in the papers.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:18 AM
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2. Veep would be okay with me. And unlike the first one, this one could actually help.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:30 AM
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14. Still hopeful it could happen. But don't tell the more vehement folks here or they'll try to bite.
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:34 AM
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83. Well they certainly would be not voting for him but for her
either way we win!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:30 PM
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86. Good point! We could all stand tall together... I think it would be a great team!
Outside polling shows that 51% of Democrats actually agree with me.

I didn't pull that out of a hat, but don't recall which show I saw it on -- Probably CNN last week.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:41 PM
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90.  There no way in hilary hell that she's
going to be anywhere near our Democratic ticket.

She can try and extort, whine, lie, and twist in the wind but she's old politics and we're the future.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:18 AM
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3. How can someone who has lost the public trust be an asset
to any administration?
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:07 PM
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80. Public trust ? DU ?
lol
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 11:15 AM
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85. someone who spent years betraying other Dems and protecting BushInc and his cronies shouldn't even
be in the senate as a Democrat.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:19 AM
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4. Having a warmonger as Secretary of State is about the stupidest idea possible...
She should never talk to foreigners in an official capacity. Ever.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:22 AM
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8. You don't think she's able to "toe the official line" now?
I admit, I have a few questions about that, but she managed to wear the role/costume of "First Lady" pretty well, after a few drubbings.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:26 AM
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9. I don't want a faker in the job roles. I want someone who genuinely believes in them...
The fakers are the old way. We're after genuine hope here, not ersatz-hope.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:06 AM
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42. isn't having true believers in jobs how we got into this mess
but typical of Obama land taking the very worst trait of Bush, not wanting dissenting voices around and making it their own.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:19 AM
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49. Hey, Obama wants the voices in the room.
He's taken a bit of flak for it.

I would gather that the problem is the "concern" people, the fake "believers".
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:41 AM
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68. Nice gerrymandering! Kudos!
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:19 AM
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5. If Obama does allow her to play a role, he should say so after the GE
If he includes her on the ticket or says she will play any kind of prominent role in his administration, it would kill his message of change. This could turn off a lot of new voters.

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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:28 AM
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12. Oh, that gives me another idea!
"Czar of pre-Obama Washington D.C."... she could act as a historical guide, if you will, to all the crap that's been institutionalized behind closed doors.

Kind of like a one-woman transition team from the old to the new, a "greybeard" (that's what we call them in my profession, regardless of age, gender, or facial hair) to advise and inform the new guys, a "sage"/"mentor" about dealing with what has come before, without getting in the way of what is new.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:11 AM
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24. Greybeard at 60? Isn't 60 the new 40? Don't think that will work...
She is too young for mentoring, but he could certainly use it.

Hey! I have an idea!

How about Vice President?

:rofl:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:35 AM
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26. In my industry, 35 == 60
I work in software. Folks pull 80 hour *shifts*.

We age fast.

Anybody over 35 is legendary. 45? Heck, that's time for worship.



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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:50 PM
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77. We send you our deepest regrets for that killer schedule.
Husband is an electrical engineer who retrained as a software analyst, but now retired. The technology downturn hit Portland, OR in August 2001. The company he was working for was egghead.com, and they went bankrupt, taking our medical insurance with it. (The company, out of Menlo Park, CA, was SELF INSURED -- which means no COBRA was available or anything else!) He had to retire when that job went away just to get on Medicare.

However, I don't remember his jobs EVER having to work 80 hours. There were days and weeks when there was some overtime, and he did travel 75% when he held managerial jobs at technology companies. That was bad enough -- not as much time for family as we would have liked.

Staggering figure. 80 hour work weeks. My son is in food service with a major chain. He works more than anyone I've ever seen -- pretty much every holiday. But he's 38 years old and will be able to do it for a time, I hope.

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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:26 AM
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10. Getting her fellow Senators to advance his agenda.
That would be a tremendous help and she could do it.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:31 AM
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15. Now, there's a POSITIVE idea! Thanks, Mr. Slayer!
Edited on Fri May-16-08 02:36 AM by Radio_Lady
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:39 AM
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19. Yes, that's the job of the Senate Whip.
:shrug:
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chknltl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:00 AM
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23. Leader Senate Appropriations Committee
Not sure if that is by Presidential appointment but one would think that with all the $$$ the Military Industrial Complex has invested in her she might have...um come to think of it that might be a bad idea as well because she might wind up representing THEM more than US...

Ok sorry, I got nothin' and I swear I did not set out to be snarky.

Is there some kind of committee to review and improve on our Veterans hospitals? Perhaps she could do something to help out there. Thanks to bush, we have an over abundance of wounded Vets that need tending to and an aging Veterans hospital system to tend to them with. bush has damaged that particular system as well so it will need to be repaired. Furthermore our VA hospitals need upgrading. If she showed positive results with our Veterans, our Veterans hospitals and our system for dealing with our Veterans in need, THEN I could see her moving back up the food-chain.

There I feel better. I know I may be coming off bitter, true that, I AM bitter because I feel betrayed by the Clintons, but I recognize that they have years of service to our nation too. It is in recognition of that service that prompted me to at least attempt to follow your request in finding a place for Senator Clinton in an Obama Administration. Frankly after that betrayal I no longer trust EITHER of them as I once did but I am not so silly as to throw the baby out with the broken carriage. If either Clinton is to regain my trust they will have to earn it....or they could just go away too.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:40 AM
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28. Veterans Healthcare Czar!
Lord knows we need one, and the job has to be given to an absolute pit-bull.

Good Call.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:21 AM
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25. Back to Congress if she wants to stay in govt.
Let her work on trying to get some of the things both she and Obama are running on. I have frankly had enough of the Clinton's and Bush's. I would like to see some new thinkers in the WH and Congress but since she is in Congress now let her work on what she tells us she wants for us. And said she will fight for. Congress should have the power along with the WH. It was the major part of the Constitution. You know the people not the fat cats.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:37 AM
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27. Supreme Court nominee.....
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:42 AM
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29. Didn't she fail the DC bar?
Could she qualify, even?

Not that I wouldn't enjoy her and Scalia going at it, that would be epic.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:46 AM
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32. oh, I didn't know that. Interesting if true....
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:55 AM
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37. Looks like old news.
Have a URL, grabbed from google:
http://newsbusters.org/node/13140
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:59 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. that's funny, though, as I thought I follow politics pretty well but I
had not heard about this until tonight. See how something can truly be hidden by the MSM? That or I was watching too much American Idol last year...
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:01 AM
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41. Oh hey, I hear there's a kennedy thing, too....
Something about ducks with chapped lips. Didn't have a quid between them.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:08 AM
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45. bet tthey couldn't swim too well, either.......
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:45 AM
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30. Maybe she could iron his shirt?
Based on the way a lot of folks here on DU are constantly slamming Senator Clinton, then a lot of you probably think that this is all she is good for. But even then you would expect her to deliberately burn Barack's shirts! ;-)
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:45 AM
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31. But seriously ...
Personally I have a lot of respect for Senator Clinton and hope that she will be put in charge of healthcare - either as a cabinet position or leading the necessary legislation through the Senate.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:49 AM
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35. Thank you for the non-snark follow up.
She certainly knows how the health care battle has been fought, before.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:51 AM
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36. still stalking, I see....
Edited on Fri May-16-08 04:52 AM by ruby slippers
:rofl:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:58 AM
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39. IT"S FOLLOWING ME!
THE ROBOT SCARES ME, MAKE IT GO AWAY!!!!IIIeleventy-one111!!!!
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:07 AM
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44. like I said yesterday, it isn't its LED eyes, it is its EXE and my computer
get scared at those....
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:47 AM
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34. She will be the VP
If Hillary Clinton doesn't capture the nomination -- which, barring upsets in Oregon, SD and Montana, she seems unlikely to do -- will be the VP nominee. There is an inevitable and irresistible political logic, inexorably driving in that direction. By the end of the primary she will almost certainly be ahead of Obama in the popular vote. If and when Florida and Michigan are seated, she will be within a 100 delegates of him. Her supporters are just as passionate about her as Obama's are about him. Between the two of them they will have garnered nearly 40, 000, 000 votes -- an amazing number. The best way to ensure that the vast, vast majority of those voters remain committed and engaged through the GE is a joint ticket. The best way to ensure that some significant number of those voters sit out the GE or go for McCain is for Obama to stiff arm Clinton.

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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:20 AM
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50. hillary will not be the VP.
even if she managed to talk Obama into that, it would mean that McCain would become the president.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:19 AM
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62. Only if hell freezes over and Obama has a fool-proof food tester. n/t
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dorktv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 09:35 AM
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84. You seriously think a US senator would kill the president? Because that is
what you are implying with the food taster comment.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:36 AM
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65. I disagree
The surest way to show the American people you lied would be to take her on as VP. That is not change. That is not what the American People want.
She will not be ahead in any of the numbers unless you go by Clinton's numbers which is sketchy at best. Their popular votes totals is only IF you do not count any caucuses and do not count some primaries. Doesn't sound reasonable to me.
She will not move ahead in delegates even IF Michigan and Florida were seated fully.

Obama has the right to pick his own VP not take one forced on him by disgruntled campaign workers or voters that picked the candidate that lost. If that is how it worked, why didn't they force Bush to take Gore as VP?

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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:44 PM
Response to Reply #34
81. I agree. And I think that was the subtext in Grand Rapids
of John Edwards' praise of Clinton, and what Obama said about the three of them.

From Edwards:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/us/politics/14text-edwards.html

And now we're here down to two amazing candidates. And before I get too far, I want to take just a minute and say a word about my friend and your friend, Senator Hillary Clinton.

In the past few weeks, I've got -- past few months and past few weeks -- I've gotten to know Senator Clinton very well. We've talked. We've met in North Carolina. We've talked about the things that she cares about, that every single one of you care about: about the men and women in this country who don't have health care; about the children who don't have health care; about the men and women in America who just want to have a decent job and go to work. We've talked about our own children, our own families.

And what I've learned during that time, and I've gotten to know her very well, is that she believes with every fiber of our being that America can be a better place, and that we need change to make America what it's capable of being. And I want to tell you -- and I know this is hard to understand sometimes -- but it is very, very hard to get up everyday and do what she's done. It is hard to go out there and fight and speak up when the odds turn against you.

And what she has shown, what she has shown, is strength and character. And what drives her is something that every single one of us can and should appreciate. She cares deeply about the working people in this country. She cares about the families who are losing everything because somebody got sick. She cares about our men and women who are putting their lives on the line in Iraq and Afghanistan. This tenacity has shown her strength and her determination. She is a woman who, in my judgment, is made of steel. And she's a leader in this country, not because of her husband, but because of what she has done -- because of speaking out, because of standing up.

And we, when this nomination battle is over -- and it will be over soon -- brothers and sisters, we must come together as Democrats and, in the fall, stand up for what matters for the future of America and make America what it needs to be. And we are a stronger party, because Hillary Clinton is a Democrat. We are a stronger country because of her years of public service. And we're going to have a stronger presidential nominee in the fall because of her work.



And from Obama, as he accept Edwards' endorsement:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/14/AR2008051403533.html

For too long, Washington has ignored their struggles. Their voices have fallen on deaf ears. For the last eight years, they have been told -- you've been told -- that there's nothing this country can do to help you, that the best we can do is keep giving more and more of those with the most and tell everyone else to fend for themselves. That's what George Bush has one for the last eight years. And that's what John McCain is offering for the next four.

Well, John Edwards and I believe in a different America. Hillary Clinton believes in a different America. The Democratic Party believes in a different America -- one America, where we rise and fall together as one people. And that's why we are going to take Washington by storm this November.

-snip-

That hope is stirring all across America. And if you're willing to set down the cynicism and put down the fear and join John Edward and Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, then I promise you, we will not just win this election. We will change the country, and we will change the world. God bless you, Grand Rapids. God bless America.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:13 AM
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46. Any post other than VP...assuming she hasn't burned up her political capital
to the point where she may not be viable in any cabinet position.

Maybe the average voter isn't paying as much attention as people on the political blogs, but I'm pretty sure her campaign tactics are not going over well in Washington.

I believe her divide-and-conquer routine helped Edwards get off the fence and endorse Obama, as did the board of NARAL after many years of Clinton support.

Now she's got a contingent of women threatening to withhold their votes due to the perception, helped along by her campaign speeches and Bill's comments, that she's being forced out of the race by the boys, deflecting from the responsibility she bears for running a poor, divisive, fiscally mismanaged campaign and parlaying every advantage into a near-loss. She's setting back the gains women have made by rallying irate supporters behind a false claim that sexism has landed her where she is in this contest. That doesn't sit well with me and it probably doesn't sit well with her colleagues in Congress, male or female.

Her colleagues are more savvy and watchful than the average voter. That's why she has blown her huge superdelegate advantage. The only defections have been away from Clinton toward Obama.

Hopefully it's taken her off the table for VP consideration for good. Obama probably has plenty of support in Washington for not taking that route.

On the joint ticket topic, I'm not sure why people simply think that you add Obama votes to Clinton votes when you put them on the same ticket. There's a very angry/racist contingent, that Hillary has been touting as her "broad support", who voted for her because she isn't Obama. I don't think they're going to vote just because she's on the ticket, because he's on it as well.

And those Democrats who are reasonable will respect the nominee's prerogative to choose the VP that will bring the most to the position, whether or not that turns out to be Clinton.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:18 AM
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47. Limo driver
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:23 AM
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52. She lacks the skills.
SS drivers spend years learning tactical evasion, J-turns on some heavy freaking vehicles, and hard cornering.

Were you being serious?
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:19 AM
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48. Her strengths don't mesh with Obama's unity message
Hillary will stop at nothing to tear down Republicans. So she could be used as a pitbull to attack the Republicans if needed. You know she has some pent up anger over how they've mistreated her over the years. Yeah, she says that she'll get along with them, but she'll throw them under the bus if so needed.
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kennetha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:21 AM
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51. Do you ever back up your statement with facts?
Hillary has been an extremely effective Senator -- much more effective than Obama -- partly because she has in fact been willing to work with Republicans -- something of which Obama has done remarkably little, given that he has proclaimed himself the apostle of new post-partisan politics.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:25 AM
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54. Why so much hatred?
All I said was that Hillary's biggest positive is the fighter spirit in her. Hell, that's what most Hillary supporters have been saying too. "She's a fighter!" Grow some tougher skin why don't you. Don't hate on me just because your gal lost fair and square. :rofl:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:30 AM
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57. Okay, "assume" she lost.
Now, your job is to make her your warrior.

What does she do?
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:43 AM
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58. Attack Republicans
Pure and simple. Yeah, I know that Obama's message is of hope and unity, but the reality is that you need somebody out there to put the smack down on some of those Republicans. What's the best position to attack Republicans? I don't know about the best official position. You don't want your V.P. attacking the Republicans when you're trying to put on a face of being nice to them. I guess I would want Hillary as Senate Majority Leader. It isn't in the Executive Branch, but it's still very important. By the same logic, even though I like Pelosi a lot, I wouldn't be in favor of giving her an Executive Branch position because she's too important as the Speaker of the House. The President is not a dictator. You still need cooperation between the legislative and executive branches in order to get things done. Find a way to make Hillary the Senate Majority Leader and watch the Republicans cower under their desk afraid to get in her way when she's running the Senate. :rofl:
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:23 AM
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53. Choosing her for some postition would only reinforce his unity message.
It would make it truly believable to those who are cynical about him and think what he says is a bunch of fluff that will be abandoned as soon as he is elected. We have forgotten what unity looks like. He should choose her as VP or Sec of State. She would actually be more effective as Sec of State. The VP, with the exception of Cheney, is typically a no action position.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:27 AM
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55. Wow.
Good point.

Unity requires both sides.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:29 AM
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56. No way Hillary as Secretary of State
With the Bosnia gaffe? Not a chance. Bill Richardson would seem a more logical choice for Secretary of State, if he wants that job. I'm sure that Hillary's talents could be put to use in another capacity. The question will be how willing is she to sacrifice her job in the Senate for a potentially lesser job in the Executive Branch. Secretary of Health & Human Services if you ask me. She can finish the job on the health care program she tried to do back in the 90s. She obviously has a lot of passion for that and it would be great if she could focus all of her energy and efforts on it.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:16 AM
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60. Health and Human sevices is interesting, but I wonder what Ted Kennedy would say
The person leading on Health care in the Senate will be Ted Kennedy. He is chair of the appropriate committee and he has actually gotten healthcare passed. He has said, in a slightly more positive than perfunctory way, that HRC is knowledgeable in this area. The easiest time to assess the level of his support was an early January 2007 Sunday talk show. He said he was still there for Kerry, if he opted to run, but then spoke of this being an extraordinarily hard decision for Kerry and his family and friends. The warmth in his voice and the words he used to describe Kerry's skills, depth and character were noticeably different than what sounded like a far colder tone and fairly prosaic praise for HRC.

The comments by Bill Bradley and others suggests that HRC might have - on balance - been a negative factor that hurt getting healthcare passed in the 1990s. Not from lack of desire to do it, but because she went about it like a bull in a china shop.

I think Richardson might be ok as SoS, but I think either Kerry, Gore or Biden would be better - if either would want to leave the Senate. (I think the environmental conferences could be under the SoS and there is no one better than Kerry or Gore for that.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:17 AM
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66. Great points
I guess I'm suggesting Hillary for Secretary of Health and Human Services more as a consolation prize if she doesn't want to go back into the Senate. She did fail in the 90s with health care, so it's not like she's the obvious choice for this. Just an olive branch to her supporters.

Biden might be a questionable choice for Secretary of State. He's a great politician, but his mouth gets him into trouble. He always seems to be saying something that he has to apologize for later. Like when he said that Bush's comments were 'bullshit'. While I agree with him, he needs to learn not to talk that way. Other than this little fact, I think he would make a great Secretary of State.

I think Kerry would make a good Sec of State too. I doubt that Gore would take that job. He can already demand an audience without an official position since he's a Nobel Prize winner.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:32 AM
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70. I agree with you on Gore, I included him because
not including him would make the comment stupid. I do think that Kerry might be better doing the job because he really does enjoy diplomacy and is a natural at it.

There would also be something very fitting with the man who spoke out on Vietnam as a young man and the one who got the first Sense of the Senate resolution on a regional summit passed being the President's lead on it. The work he did in Bali was - by the accounts even of the team extremely valuable. There is much in the agreement that sounds like his comments of last October.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:53 AM
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59. Is there a Secretary of Making Shit Up?
that might work
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:18 AM
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61. None.
She is not trustworthy and IMO she has her eye on 2012 and will do anything and everything to clear the way at what appears to be her last shot at running for POTUS.

JMHO
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:21 AM
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63. How about Senator?
Edited on Fri May-16-08 08:26 AM by gal
I personally am sick of people suggesting we treat her differently than we treat any other candidate.
Isn't the point of the woman's movement to be treated equally?

Well let's get with it, she should be treated and considered the same as any other candidate that fought and lost the nomination.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:21 AM
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64. Senior Policy Wonk...regardless of the position she has.
Lets face it, that's where Hillary excels. She should be involved in policy formulation, whether its in the Senate or wherever else. That's what interests her, and that's what she's great at.
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cloudythescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:40 AM
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67. I hope she doesn't force herself on the ticket as VP, that's all. Maybe NY Gov?
That would be a very good stepping stone for a presidential bid in the future, probably better in many ways than VP.

In the meantime, a MAJOR influential role in the Senate (are people joking when they worry about her being re-elected to the Senate in NY?) is pretty much a given.

If she doesn't end up in the White House, the Supreme Court is a real possibility, though personally, I'd rather see Democrats appoint nominees who are MUCH younger, as Repugs do.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:41 AM
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69. um, if her campaign stopped attacking him, that would be a start
Edited on Fri May-16-08 10:42 AM by AtomicKitten
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:34 AM
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71. She could go on to rule the senate with an iron fist.
So we can actually get work done.

As long as there is zero posturing and triangulation, I would support that 100%.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:35 AM
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72. That ship sailed a long time ago.
I think she is so badly comprimised now that she can't have a "positive" role in the Democratic party any longer, period. I know I for one no longer care to hear what she has to say. Why bother? She'll say something totally different the next day if she thinks that's what her audience wants to hear.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:53 AM
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73. Attorney General
People keep saying Edwards should be Attorney General, why not Hillary.

Is it a step up from a senator?
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:55 AM
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74. Ambassador to Bosnia.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 04:03 PM
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79. I had to laugh at that one.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:56 AM
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75. Senator Clinton has all the tools to become one of History's Great Senators - or Justices
And that is not anything at which to sneeze......

There will also be slots opening on the Supreme Court, and Senator Clinton is a highly accomplished Lawyer.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:51 PM
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78. Wonderful thought. Thanks for posting it.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:24 AM
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82. Gratuitous self-kick
Whoever donated for me, thank you.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:32 PM
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87. hilary can herd cats if
she earns it.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:34 PM
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88. Great traits till, you add 'dishonest.' It flips her from an asset to a liability
She should stay in the senate.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:50 PM
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91. Senator from NY. Period. If she hasn't turned off NY voters.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 07:51 PM
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92. Put her to work in the Voting Rights/Civil Rights dept of the Atty Gen. office.
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:00 PM
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93. She should be appointed head guard dog and allowed to roam the grounds of the White House. n/t
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 08:17 PM
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94. Food tester?
:shrug:
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