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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:27 AM
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Distractions giving Clinton a chance at VICTORY in Oregon!!
What did I say before West Virginia! Obama supporters cheered victory for Obama and Clinton got in a big victory!

Will she do the same in Oregon while Obama supporters such as the ones on DU stay distracted by junk when they could be spending their time phonebanking? http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/

Will they continue to assume victroy and forget that there is still a great amount of phonebanking that needs to be done? http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/phonebankmap/

So what will they say when the goddess of peace wins due to distractions?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:29 AM
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1. WRONG!! Name one state where Hillary has exceeded expectations. Try it.
You can't find one, because it doesn't exist.

Every state (like Oregon) where Obama has had a good size lead he has outperformed the polls. Look at Wisconsin, North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia, and Georgia if you don't believe me.
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:30 AM
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2. the point is to not get cocky and to fight for it.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:31 AM
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3. Remember New Hampshire....
and yeah I know there were a lot of undecided but still... I don't think this OP is concern trolling as much as just a call to arms to keep the pressure up, The larger Obama's defeat in Oregon, the sooner this WILL end IMO...
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:33 AM
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5. I understand what the OP is saying. My point is that it doesn't matter.
Oregon will go big for Obama, whether we phone bank or not.

BTW, the race is already over. None of this matters anyways.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:37 AM
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8. It is not over until Clinton exits and she has a good chance to reduce Obamas lead in Oregon
And gain her lead in Kentucky

How dare you say phonebanking does not matter?
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:51 AM
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18. Phonebanking won't matter in Oregon.
Obama will win by 20 points. Look at the history of this race to see why. It's actually pretty simple.

And, as I said earlier, this RACE IS OVER.

Obama will have enough delegates to win the nomination after SD.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:02 AM
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22. Clinton is slowly regaining support. She stands a good chance at reducing it to near 10 points.
The race is NOT over!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:12 AM
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29. Based on what?


And, the race is over. Jesus, do I have to do the f'ing math for you?
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:06 AM
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24. I agree. I do think it might help in KY, tho.. so Phonebank KY, guys ! Its the last time
before the GE we'll be able to do it.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:07 AM
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25. Thank you and yes this is the last time.
The 20th is the last chance for Clinton to turn it around! Lets finish this!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:38 AM
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47. Its over in Oregon - Orgeon votes by mail and 80% of the ballots
have been mailed in - if you want to phone do it in Kentucky.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:55 AM
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52. Don't let the facts get in the way of his argument.
He was just getting on a roll.

LoL
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 06:04 AM
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55. Hey! I got some people to call! It's worth it.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:31 AM
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4. NH
Edited on Fri May-16-08 07:32 AM by Zachstar
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:34 AM
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6. Wrong again. Hillary was always expected to win NH.
Obama only got a small lead in NH because of the Iowa win. And, I think many of polls assumed a bump when one really didn't exist.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:35 AM
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7. She came back to a win after people were assuming Obama victory.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:40 AM
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9. Junk? Did you know the world goes on outside of the primaries?
Maybe it's time Hillary supporters came up for air and looked around them at what is happening in the world.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:41 AM
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10. It is NOT our place to tell them that.
Leave them alone. Stop kicking up flamebait topics and they will calm down. Your time is MUCH better spent phonebanking!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:42 AM
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11. 2 similar posts - must be the talking point du jour. nt
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:42 AM
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12. What talking point?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:44 AM
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13. bzzzt. Wrong again. First of all no Obama supporters here cheered
for Obama. That is flat out untrue. And you know it. I've phonebanked. I may do some in Oregon, but please stop with the phony and reprehensible fear tactics. Obama really has won. He's ahead by double digits in Oregon. Your post fails on many different levels. Try a different approach than making crap up out of whole cloth. You are simply alienating the people you are trying to reach.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:46 AM
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15. Must be an accident.
I'm concerned.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:59 AM
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19. No I am rallying them
Because while we acted like damn idiots after Indiana Clinton got in a large victory in West Virginia that we really cant take again with Kentucky regardless of hard backward it is.

So how about you stop the crap. Your time is better spent phonebanking.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:08 AM
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26. Sorry, the WV win was completely expected and given the facts
on the ground there, it was unavoidable. Obama knew this. Why the hell do you think he decided to do only pro forma campaigning there? Phone banking would not have changed the results there. I phone banked in Indiana because that was fertile ground. I phone banked in PA because I knew that it was vital to keep it from being a blow out. I may phone bank in Oregon, but I may not. This thing is really and truly over. The SDs have decided it. Axelrod says they have the SDs to put him over the top. Do you think he's lying? Oh, and calling people damn idiots, won't do a fucking thing for you. Grab a clue. Obama will not lose KY by 40, more like 25 and it won't change a single SD's mind- just as WV didn't.

Cut the crap and stop bullying people. It's ineffective.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:11 AM
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27. The SDs can change their mind at any point. YOU may think it is over but it is NOT
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:45 AM
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14. The goddess of peace?
Jesus...

I mean, I will vote for her happily if she wins the nomination.

But, um...what?

P.S. What'll happen? Three guesses, the first two don't count.

Hint: you won't like it.

"Goddess of peace."

Deranged.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:58 AM
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54. You haven't been paying attention.
They've been calling her that for 3 months now.

No, her supporters!
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:47 AM
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16. Delusional.
N.F.W. Hillary is going to win Oregon.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:01 AM
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20. Flashback... N.F.W. Hillary is going to win New Hampshire
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:14 AM
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30. You've got to be kidding.
Oregon is not NH, and that was one state where she was predicted to win just a week earlier.

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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:16 AM
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31. Whatever.
Enjoy your dream for another few days.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:20 AM
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32. What dream?
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madame defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:33 AM
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38. Sorry...
Not enough coffee yet this morning. I thought you were rooting for Hillary to win in Oregon. I see now (that I've had another cup of coffee) that you're promoting phone banking etc. for Obama.

My mistake.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:35 AM
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39. I try
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 07:47 AM
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17. Thanks for the reminder Zach!
Not sure why people are thinking your post is a Hillbot attack or something (me thinks some arent reading your entire post). Once again, thanks for the wake up call
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:04 AM
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23. Ya it is messed up but hey atleast if I can get a few to phonebank!
I want victory. And I know you have to take some licks to win sometimes.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:01 AM
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21. Not a chance. Its likely most of Oregon's voters have already voted
They mail in their votes
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:11 AM
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28. Mail in Primary
Most people in Oregon have already decided.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:20 AM
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34. Oh noes! SKYNET!!!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:24 AM
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35. who cares what "they" will say....
by the way who are "they"?
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:33 AM
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37. Obama supporters
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:29 AM
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36. Good reminder to get out and phonebank for Obama
Edited on Fri May-16-08 08:33 AM by ekwhite
Hey guys - phonebanking won't hurt if you have a few spare minutes over the weekend. Call a few people in Kentucky, or a few in Oregon.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:48 AM
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40. Bingo!
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:33 AM
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41. Won't matter
Edited on Fri May-16-08 09:36 AM by DeschutesRiver
Oregon is going for Obama. If for any reason it didn't or the lead is reduced, the numbers are still the same - Obama is already the nominee.

This is the system of the dems, these are the rules, and Clinton is embarassing as she tries to rule break. Much like the chaos continuely caused by Bill while he was in office, doing the same thing. Free country I guess that means they are free to try whatever scams they wish.

But what is interesting is their supporters that have suspended their judgment and common sense on this one - if they want to vote McCain or cause the GE to be thrown to him, have at it. I am not interested in placating Hill supporters - if the last few republican elections aren't enough of a lesson in what happens when you refuse to get your act together, and try to win, then a few more losing lessons are likely on the horizon.

No one can change that except the people who are behaving like this. Good luck to them in figuring out how to achieve a democratic president.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:34 AM
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42. The goddess of peace?
Who writes this stuff?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:36 AM
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43. The fad is fading
School is out, the students are heading for the beach getting summer jobs and partying, the Obama phenomenon is fading.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:35 AM
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46. Your idiotic crapping on student supporters is unneeded.
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olkaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:36 AM
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44. Oregon is a MAIL-IN campaign! It's been going on for weeks already!
And Obama is taking it home. There isn't a gamechanger here.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:33 AM
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45. Clinton has gotten it to within 5 in a recent poll.
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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:47 AM
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49. It is really difficult to predict what will happen here in Oregon...
Obama will do well in Portland and surrounding area, Eugene, and the Ashland/Medford area. The coastal region and the rural eastern side of the Cascades are very right wing. A tremendous imbalance exists in rural Oregon.

Klamath County(70,000 pop.) is a good example(South Central Oregon):

Repugs: 17,000
Dems: 10,000

Based upon conversations with contacts here, many people still have their ballots at home and have not voted as yet. No way to tell what the Indies, Greens, Other Lefts and Repugnant cross-overs will do, particularly out in the boonies(rural farm towns).
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:58 AM
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53. yeah, it's turned into a real contest
I just got back from Bend, they're pro-Hillary there, Portlanders like Obama.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:40 AM
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48. I hear she's within striking distance of taking Quebec.
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:39 AM
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50. No I think it was Moscow.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:51 AM
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51. One could hope.
But it's not likely... since the RWM wants a McCain/Obama match-up. So much so that they don't even cover a 41% win in West Virginia.....

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