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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:23 AM
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What Went Wrong? The exclusive story of Hillary's fall...
The New Republic

What Went Wrong?

by Michelle Cottle
The exclusive story of Hillary's fall, as told by the high-level advisors, staffers, fundraisers, and on-the-ground organizers who lived it.
Post Date Friday, May 16, 2008

Endings are rarely as joyous as beginnings--and in the case of a long, wearing, and ultimately disappointing campaign, they can be downright brutal. But they also have the potential to be educational, for participants and gawkers alike. So it is that we asked (begged, really) a range of Hillarylanders for their up-close and personal lists of "What Went Wrong?" Not everyone wanted to play. Many stubbornly pointed out that their candidate is not yet dead. But, on the condition of total anonymity, a fairly broad enough cross-section of her staff responded--more than a dozen members all told, from high-level advisors to grunt-level assistants, from money men to on-the-ground organizers.

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PROBLEMS AT THE OUTSET

<…>

"Devastating vulnerabilities such as Obama's associations with Wright and Ayers were not unearthed by the campaign's vaunted research team in time to be fully taken advantage of--despite being readily available in the public domain."

"Running as an incumbent, as the inevitable candidate, was probably our biggest mistake, particularly in a time when the country is really hungry for change."

<…>

"Harold Ickes's encyclopedic understanding of the proportional delegate system was never operationalized into a field plan. The campaign inexplicably wrote off many states entirely, allowing Obama to create the lead of 100+ delegates that he has today. Most notably, we claimed the race would be over by February 5, but didn't devote any resources to the smaller states that day and in the weeks that followed, allowing Obama to easily run up margins and delegate counts on the cheap--the delegate margin he will win by."

PROBLEMS WITH THE PERSONNEL

"Hillary assembled a team thin on presidential campaign experience that confused discipline with insularity; they didn't know what they didn't know and were too arrogant to ask at a time early enough in the process when it could have made a difference, effectively shutting out even some long-time Hillaryland loyalists. Her innermost circle of (Patti Solis) Doyle, (Mark) Penn, (Mandy) Grunwald, (Neera) Tanden and (Howard) Wolfson formed a Board of Directors with no single Chairman or CEO; nobody was truly in charge, nobody held truly accountable."

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PROBLEMS WITH EXECUTION

"There were more themes in this campaign than anything I've ever seen."

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PROBLEMS WITH THE CANDIDATE

"I don't think anybody in America doesn't think she can do the job. What they're dying for is to know a little bit more about her. And we were unable to present that side of her."

"If you look at this campaign as a 15- or 16-month gambit, the public turning point was the Philadelphia debate. Her non-answer on the driver's license issue. Again, it spoke to the character issue: The sense that she will say anything and do anything to get elected. It drove the Obama narrative of her home."

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PROBLEMS IN IOWA

"We placed a huge financial bet on Iowa and raised its importance by sending senior staff there. And because we didn't plan for a national campaign, we couldn't point to an operation that could withstand an Iowa blow the way Obama could after New Hampshire."

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PROBLEMS WITH THE PRESS

"The way we handled you guys was a mistake on our part. What we're hearing is that we truly treated people badly and weren't accessible enough or open enough. We had bad relationships with reporters, and it probably bit us on the ass."

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AND, FINALLY...

"Her people spent all of 2008 making lists blaming each other (but never themselves) rather than lists of solutions."

(emphasis added)


Hindsight on HRC

If you like insider accounts of political campaigns, you'll probably love Michelle Cottle's latest TNR report on her soundings of Hillary Clinton staffers about "what went wrong." What's remarkable about this article is how little agreement there appears to be among folks "on the inside." There's a fair amount of anger expressed towards former chief strategist Mark Penn and former campaign manager Patti Solis Doyle (which you'd expect, since they were the people in charge of message and organization, respectively, during HRC's fall from inevitability to second place), but beyond that, the explanations of "what went wrong" are all over the place.

This analytical disarray may just reflect the small and probably random sample of HRC staffers willing to talk to Cottle, even on a strictly off-the-record basis. But another factor is probably in play: the natural human tendency to play what-if, and attribute political setbacks to correctable internal "mistakes" rather than uncontrollable external forces.

What's largely missing from the insider accounts quoted by Cottle is a recognition that Barack Obama's campaign surprised virtually everybody in politics. It's hard to remember this, but there was an extended period a few months after Obama entered the race when the CW was that he was a flavor-of-the-month who had created some excitement but was rapidly losing steam against the powerful, disciplined Clinton Machine. One of the post-mortems quoted by Cottle suggests that HRC's big mistake was in not going nastily negative on Obama from the get-go. But that's pure hindsight: a negative campaign made no sense for a candidate with Clinton's poll standings and resources prior to Iowa, a state whose Democratic caucus-goers are notoriously averse to intraparty attacks. And after Iowa, when it became obvious that Obama's was generating previously unimaginable numbers of volunteers and cash, and building a never-seen-before electoral coalition, Clinton's campaign was already in desperate survival mode. Another little fact that a lot of people seem to have forgotten is that a couple of days before the NH primary, the chattering classes were busy writing HRC's political obituary, in anticipation of a blowout Obama victory that would have nailed down the nomination then and there.

Perhaps the Obama phenomenon was predictable, but not many political experts actually predicted it in any detail. (I certainly include myself in this assessment; the only aspect of Obama-mania I anticipated was the rapid and massive shift of African-American support to him after Iowa). So it's a little strange that so many people inside and outside the Clinton campaign are so sure her initial strategy should have been based on improbable developments instead of the lay of the land as it first appeared. Sure, the acid test for any political campaign is the ability to adjust to the unforeseen, but given HRC's success in avoiding electoral extinction again and again during the primaries, you have to admit she showed some deft footwork.

The bottom line is that "what went wrong" with Hillary Clinton's campaign was the emergence of a once-in-a-lifetime politician whose particular assets made him very nearly unbeatable once he established himself as a viable candidate. Here's hoping that John McCain's brain trust goes with a high-percentage game plan like HRC's, and underestimates Barack Obama's ability to change the rules.



Obama Campaign: We're Only 17 Pledged Dels Away From Clinching The Primaries

By Eric Kleefeld - May 16, 2008, 9:04AM
In a sign that they are likely to declare victory in the presidential primary very soon, the Obama campaign is now boasting in a memo to reporters that they are on the cusp of winning the pledged-delegate majority, thanks to the endorsement from John Edwards and a group of his delegates.

By the Obama campaign's math, they are only 17 elected delegates away from the pledged-del majority, a number that they are guaranteed to pull off next week in Oregon and Kentucky. Expect them to court super-delegates to break their way en masse after that happens, on the basis that Obama has the popular mandate to be the nominee.


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:36 AM
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1. Interesting that they seem to have no problem
with a nasty campaign, and are oblivious to the hypocrisy of the Ayers attacks.

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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:37 AM
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22. Top of the list:= Hillary didn't sling shit at Obama soon enough
That doesn't speak for taking responsibility for the problems. The discussion of the later problems were very pointed and interesting, but I don't see why the Rev. Wright etc. stuff has to be at the top of the list.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 09:33 PM
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24. Shows the kind of thinking in that camp. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:18 PM
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34. Precisely! They didn't learn a damn thing according to
these insiders who would talk.

Maybe after it's all over down the road a piece we'll get some more details..but, I've heard this before: "We didn't go negative soon enough".
Like that worked so well for them.

Nothing substantial..that's why they didn't make it. They had nothing to offer but lies upon lies.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:38 AM
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2. What went wrong? That's easy. Hillary didn't get enough women to vote for her......nt
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:45 AM
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3. EXCLUSIVE! THIS JUST IN!
blah blah blah more made up news blah blah blah yadda blah TRUST ME I was an insider blah blah blah

Good grief. What went wrong? Nothing went wrong, it's a campaign. The best PR wins, period, even if it doesn't have a drop of substance.

So what is going to go wrong? Let me guess, for every white haired white guy republican who says America isn't ready for a black president, there is someone screaming "racist" who is saying "it's time America had a black president", and not seeing the absurdity. The reality is there WILL be people who vote or don't vote for exactly those reasons and none of us are really mentally prepared for that level of stupidity, and reality, on both sides. That's one thing that a political tactician could categorize as "wrong".

Let me tell you what is GOING wrong with both candidates. You can (and should) talk about hope all you want, but what Ginormous magnificent initiative has Obama ever sponsored to point to as a track record for active and positive national change in government? What can he point to in a debate (without extensive use of the word "ummm") that won't hurt his credibility as a candidate?

Does either candidate understand the difference between health coverage and health care? Does anyone here have anything at all to say about issues instead of ad hominem attacks on either candidate and their supporters?

I'm just curious. And the made up news bullshit is enough to turn a currently neutral candidate completely off and away from Barack. If his supporters can't talk about the issues and can only play these silly games, then there must not be ANY substance there worthy of a presidential nod.

I'm really starting to get fed up with the Obama "we're annointed" horseshit around here.

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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:48 AM
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4. Here's one Obama success:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:52 AM
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6. Now cut that out
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:55 AM
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9. I will bang pots and pans to get my message out.
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:14 AM
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14. if I ever run for office
I'll hire you as head pot banger.

The position of pan banger will be outsourced.

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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:53 AM
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7. Not enough people know what feminism means.....but then....
.....neither is there enough awareness and understanding about racism and sexism, judging how those terms are sputtered about on most political forum boards.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:55 AM
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8. I'm not sure what that has to do with my post, but okay.
:shrug:
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:04 AM
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12. It has nothing to do with your post. I nested it in the wrong place. Sorry. nt
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:51 AM
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5. Yeah right! "Hillary bests Obama in debates." "Obama has to get on top of the Wright issue"
"Hillary's big win."

Say "blah, blah, blah" all you want to, that's not an excuse for Hillary coming into a campaign in a position of strength and losing.

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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:12 AM
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13. oh dear
I don't like either candidate, equally. However, I also know that "losing" is something Kerry did (as reported) in the debates against George Bush. Now I watched those debates, and you watched those debates, and we didn't see anything even remotely like Kerry "losing" just because the bar was set low enough for Bush to step over.

Losing is relative. I suppose if we count by the vote Obama wins the popularity contest. That I will agree happened. Clearly Obama wins in the charisma category, in most of the small states.

But there is more than just a dynamic of rational debate and rational conclusion going on in this contest. That's the part I'm griping about.

Color me old fashioned, but I want to see REAL issues enumerated, with real plans and real timelines to discuss, by both candidates. If we're talking about whether those things can happen realistically then we're talking about issues, and charisma aside, the most deserving candidate with the best vision AND the best real plan will win. I'm just not convinced that is the case here, at the moment.

To conclude, I'm not comfortable going with the crowd just because he (or she) is the most popular candidate. I'm even less comfortable with browbeating for the vote, either way. I want clear, valid information, and it seems to be lacking on both sides, leaving people to vote for charisma and surface in place of substance.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:22 AM
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16. "Losing is relative." No, the reasons for losing are relative.
"Color me old fashioned, but I want to see REAL issues enumerated, with real plans and real timelines to discuss, by both candidates."

That's the problem, isn't it? When Hillary determined she couldn't win, she hauled out the "kitchen sink," not evidence of her stronger position on the issues or her superior qualifications.




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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:14 AM
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46. Kerry kicked Bush's ass in the debates
But yeah, I think you are right about the expectations game. Luckily, Obama will have that in his favor, thanks to Clinton complaining about him not debating as often as she would have liked. And I heard that McCain is not such a great debater, so that should play to Obama's favor.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:27 AM
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18. Not annointed. Just a better campaigner and a better candidate.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:22 PM
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35. You know where the door is?
'Cause we're here to stay.. we worked hard against the great big, dopey, lying clinton machine that had a big fucking fall.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:57 AM
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10. One quibble with Cottle's analysis..
"...Here's hoping that John McCain's brain trust goes with a high-percentage game plan like HRC's, and underestimates Barack Obama's ability to change the rules...."
..........................................................

Obama is NOT "changing the rules".. he is winning, because his team UNDERSTANDS the rules, and laid out a plan to win USING the rules in place for the campaign..

His campaign shows that steadfast attention to details, and preparation can work.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:04 AM
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11. That's Kilgore, not Cottle, and he is referring to conventional wisdom. n/t
Edited on Fri May-16-08 11:04 AM by ProSense
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:20 AM
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15. Making EXCUSES For Total Incompetency
I'll tell you what went wrong with her campaign, NARCISSISM RUN AMOK.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:25 PM
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37. Right..three words sum it up.
"NARCISSISM RUN AMOK"

And aren't we as a country, fortunate.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:25 AM
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17. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:33 AM
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19. If her campaign was so fucked up, I'd hate to see her in the WH
can you imagine how lousy the day-to-day operations would be? I fear it would rival GWB in its incompetence, not because she's not smart, she is, obviously, but because they too live in their own little alternate reality.
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powergirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:35 AM
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20. Excellent post and article
First know that I am an Obama supporter. At the beginning of the primary season, I supported Edwards and then I was fine with either candidate. I really thought that Clinton would win it - which was fine with me at the time. I am really surprised that she let her campaign be so mismanaged. I can't believe she didn't fight more in the beginning. If her campaign was better managed there would not be so much divisiveness in this primary.

After South Carolina, I became a solid Obama supporter and haven't wavered since. In my view, and I'm sure the Clinton folks will give their stories, I was offended by the treatment Obama received by Sen. Clinton and Bill Clinton - not surrogates, not press. The actual words that came out of their mouths are inexcusable. "I have experience, McCain has experience, Obama has a speech" really was awful. The race baiting comments from Bill Clinton, "he's not a Muslim, as far as I know," "you'll have to ask him about that," "cozying up to shit like Scaife and Fox news," etc. You NEVER heard Obama himself making statements like that about Sen. Clinton. That was a point in the campaign that would never have been reached if her campaign was managed properly.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:02 PM
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23. Exactly, thanks. n/t
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:34 PM
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26. That was my EXACT path
And it was true for my husband and my sister as well. I wonder how many Obama voters the Clintons actually created.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:37 AM
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21. I'm so happy we're not going to have these people running the GE
or the country. Incompetent lazy boobs.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:28 PM
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25. Hillary lost because she is not as smart or talented as Obama.
Hillary lacks Obama's skills at picking, supervising, and motivating people. She lacks his ability to see problems clearly and formulate rational strategies. She has no idea how to budget, how to manage money, and how to use it wisely. She is not a leader and he is.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:58 PM
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28. None of the 3 candidates
has any notable executive experience in their resumes. Until now. The results kinda speak for themselves.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:06 PM
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29. Sure they did.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 11:44 PM by TexasObserver
Have executive experience. Obama has been an attorney, a law professor, and a long time state senator. That means organizing and administering people for the past 20 years. Even in law school he held the most important student executive position - running the law review.

You're placing too much emphasis on the use of gubernatorial experience as the measure of executive experience.

The quality of Obama's executive skills is displayed in his success. The lack of quality of Hillary's executive skills is displayed in her disasterous campaign.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:41 PM
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38. I shouldn't have used the word notable
I meant none of them have intermediate experience between what they've done and the enormity of the job they're applying for, until now. I wasn't thinking only of governorships, but also military theater commanders, Cabinet members, institutional heads, and the like. One of them has made the leap like a pro. One is flailing, the other is largely untested.

In case I wasn't clear, though, your last sentence expresses my intended point well.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:47 PM
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39. I see what you were saying.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 11:48 PM by TexasObserver
You were saying the proof is in the product, and I agree with that notion.

I have been very pleasantly surprised with Obama's excellent administrative skills. I had no idea before this year he was such a genius at this. Organizations like his are never an accident. It means the person at the top has their vision, and knows how to build people around that vision. I really am impressed by what he's done. I've never seen a campaign as organized and disciplined as his. These Obama Kids have impressed the hell out of me.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:52 PM
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27. I hear endlessly about the debt owed Hillary
for "toughening up" Obama. Well, here's something Hillary and the rest of us can thank Obama for:
"The campaign inexplicably wrote off many states entirely, allowing Obama to create the lead..."

Exposing Hillary's old-school top-down strategy as a paper tiger. It's one Dems have used in national elections for too long, to poor effect. If she'd prevailed, she'd carry her overpaid retreads into the GE, instead of scrambling to get a real ground game going like she's doing right now.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:08 PM
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30. Yep. Hindsight is what Hillary has, and not much at that.
OBama has foresight, and since we are moving forward, the right person won.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:49 PM
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40. If nothing else
Keeping Hillary out means we'll get to continue with Howard Dean and the rest who adhere to a 50-state strategy. 2006 and the recent Congressional trio are successes from a philosophy worth preserving. The Clintons have made it real clear they'll have no truck with the likes of Dean.
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:25 PM
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36. What about the debt Hillary owes Obama for toughning up: It'll be over by super Tuesday Hillary?
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:11 PM
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31. In other worsds, Hillary is a bad executive and would make a poor President.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:17 PM
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32. You gotta give her the blame for managing this campaign...
and yeah, this has to reflect on her management skills. Sorry to say, but it pretty much is a given. She can create policy, but...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:22 PM
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42. By the time Hillary accepts reality, she could be more than $30 million in debt. n/t
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:10 PM
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43. They missed a few.
• Voting for the Iraq War and being unapologetic about it.
• Arrogantly arguing in support of lobbyists at Kos's progressive forum.
• Race baiting, thus losing her black support.
• Expecting a coronation thus irritating the Iowan voters with her lack-luster campaign.
• Failure to adequately define her 35 years of experience.
• Under-estimating Barack Obama.
• Continuously telling voters she will “fight” for them when voters are sick of the fighting.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 10:39 PM
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45. Good list!
Welcome Hansel.

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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:16 PM
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44. She lied repeatedly to our faces and got caught.
That's a HUGE part of her failure.

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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:20 AM
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47. Well done. And I hope it is the last thing I read about the Clinton campaign.
There's bigger fish to fry now, as the saying goes.
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