Help me create a sexism bingo card!

[Phillycat]

When someone posts yet another thread about how there is no sexism and Hillary supporters are whiny victims, I want to be able to just slap a bingo card on there so at least we can have fun playing. So far, I have the following phrases:

You need to calm down.

You're being hysterical.

Can't you take a joke?

Hillary deserves it.

Who cares about sexism? There's racism!

I'm a woman and I don't see sexism.

SHE LOST; GET OVER IT.

You're only playing the victim.

Obama's had it just as hard with the media!

You're just imagnining things.

The great thing about this thread is that the inevitable insults will work just as well as genuine responses! It's win-win!

[LSK]

1. I was just told to calm down by a male and I am a male

Lets see, we were all told to get over it when Gore lost.

I have been accused of not taking a joke.

I dont understand what half of those things have to do with sexism????

:shrug:

[YOY]

14. They don't...the other 50% only do when in directly following something else that really is sexist.

n/t

[rucky]

2. Toxic. n/t

[leftofcool]

3. " a real feminist" would.........(pick anything)

[FSogol]

4. This is really productive. Time to bash McCain. n/t

[rurallib]

8. You mean the doddering hypocrit John McCain? I'm game!

[NYCGirl]

5. You think only women need to "calm down" or can be "hysterical"? You haven't

been watching Pat Buchanan on MSNBC the past couple of days.

[Goblinmonger]

120. I agree

but hysterical carries some sexist baggage as a word.

[Erin Elizabeth]

6. Ha! I thought this was going to be a sexism bingo the other

way around--as in the phrases that are always trotted out when people who don't support Hillary are accused of sexism.

It works both ways, you know.

[patrice]

7. Yep. Keep it going. That'll be real good for EVERYONE.

:sarcasm:

[Phillycat]

11. Perfect! Thank you!

That's definitely going on the card.

[patrice]

29. I'll take that as proof that you don't care what's good for Everyone, only HC and her followers. nt

[Phillycat]

Wow, two from one poster!

You're being very generous. Hang on, I'm noting that one down...

[patrice]

47. like I care . . . .

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[LisaM]

10. I'm a woman and I don't see sexism! Ha ha! Good one!

How about:

If you don't vote for Obama, you can say goodbye to Roe v. Wade! It's not about candidates! It's about Supreme Court Justices! Obama's the best one to protect your rights!

[CakeGrrl]

118. Here's a good example right here

How in the world is anything you wrote a sexist slight against Hillary Clinton?

I just posted on another thread that John McCain is on record for saying that Roe v. Wade should be overturned:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17222147/

Why do you think it's so important to get a Democrat into the WH this time around? McCain is ready to tilt the SC in a position to get a monumental decision overturned.

But somehow, anyone who prefers that we send Obama to the WH to keep that from happening is expressing a sexist bias against Hillary.

Does not compute.

[NightWatcher]

12. Forget Hillary and her supporters. She Lost. It's all about beating McCain

you are now either a supporter of the Dem nominee, or you should be outfitted with a tombstone

[Phillycat]

15. Oh, well done!

This is so good I can't tell if you're insulting me or actually providing bingo answers! Well played, sir! :patriot:

[YOY]

16. So how the f*** is what Nightwatcher sexist?

n/t

[Phillycat]

19. You don't actually...get the thread, do you?

Bless your heart.

[LSK]

21. why dont you explain it?

[YOY]

27. Yes, it's the "Sexism BINGO Card" Thread not the ""Angry Reaction to Bullshit BINGO card" thread.

And you're not being witty. Just hypocritical.

Bless your colon.

[rucky]

34. Pretty clever

How's that working out for you?

[Warren DeMontague]

43. Yeah, I don't really get how "She Lost" is a sexist statement.

Is the presence of the word "She" the sexist content?

Should it be "The Bipedal Carbon-Based Life Form Known as Hillary Clinton Lost"?

[patrice]

53. Anything except "Hail, Your Highness" is sexist. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

126. Because it's... like, totally obvious... that saying "She Lost" is, like...

the height... of... sexism.

Clearly, anyone who doesn't see that has had their semantic thought paradigms thoroughly basneezled by evil patriarchal hoobledyfarb.

[Spider Jerusalem]

20. If you think that statement is 'sexist', you are an idiot and have lost all perspective.

That is all.

[Phillycat]

22. Beautiful!

That one can go in verbatim! :applause:

[Spider Jerusalem]

31. It's not 'sexist' to point out that Hillary has indeed lost.

The numbers don't lie; numbers also have no gender bias. I am sorry that you seem to have a problem with this concept. Has there been sexism? Yes, there has. Has it been ugly? Yes, it has. Is it reprehensible? Yes, it is. But by crying 'sexist!' at things that are not actually sexist, you weaken your argument and make yourself look foolish.

[Lerkfish]

35. nice flamebait thread

fWIW.

[hughee99]

13. Are you looking for things Obama supporers say

that are sexist, or just creating a bingo card of their general responses when discussing that subject?

[Phillycat]

18. Either one!

That's the beauty of it. It's such a rich field from which to draw! We may need to make up several Bingo cards, then we could actually have a tournament!

[newmajority]

51. If you have read any previous posts from any of the padded cell club members

They think EVERYTHING is "sexist".

QUESTION: Why is the sky blue?

PADDED CELL CLUB ANSWER: Who says it's blue?? Sexist misogynist bastard MEN, because BLUE is a "male" color???222???? Well, fuck that, I only believe in PINK skies, because Hillary said so!!

(DISCLAIMER: In order to see womyn-supportive pink skies, you'll need to order special glasses from Padded Cell Club LLC. All proceeds go to buy pots and pans for our next assault on the sexist misogynist media)

[Phillycat]

54. Oh, excellent!

This one is lovely, thank you for your contribution! This is exactly, exactly the way they would have said it on Free Republic. I mean, verbatim. It takes attention to detail to write that post; don't think your effort has gone unnoticed. :patriot:

[newmajority]

66. Not even close

If I wanted to post a Freeper response, it would be something like.....

YOU GALS STOP YOUR BELLYACHIN' AND GIT BACK IN THE GOD DAM KITCHIN AND MAKE ME DINNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!

Now there's a freebie for a REAL "sexist bingo card" :evilgrin:

[Phillycat]

68. Ooh, another good one!

The "because I say it in a calm, rational, correctly spelled way, it's not sexism" meme! You are just full of good ideas, aren't you?

[patrice]

128. What kind of dinner do you want to be? nt

[MethuenProgressive]

17. "crazy stalker ex-girlfriend", "no matter what she says, we men hear "take out the garbage!"

And that was just during lunch.

[bunnies]

23. Im embarrassed for you.

Its so sad to see adult women acting like this.

[Phillycat]

25. Oh, well done!

:rofl:

That can go in just like that!

[cyndensco]

111. (posted wrong place)

[Warren DeMontague]

24. How is "SHE LOST" sexist?

Seriously. She lost. That has nothing to do with her X Chromosomes or her ovaries. She LOST.

And yeah, it's time to move on to the GE.

[PBS Poll-435]

26. I got one! "Is it 'that' time of the month?"

[donheld]

28. Is it sexist to think those statements only apply to women?

[Lerkfish]

30. this would appear to be a lockable thread

going by what else has been locked today.

[Phillycat]

42. Why would this be locked?

These are all quotes from DU.

[Lerkfish]

44. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5996457&mesg_id=5997197

[Phillycat]

46. Uh...

It's maybe possible, juuuust possible that that thread was locked for statements like:

"YOU PEOPLE DISGUST ME AND YOU SHOULD BE BANNED FROM THIS WEBSITE."

[Lerkfish]

50. well, I'm going by what the mod who locked it actually said.

anything else is conjecture.

[Phillycat]

52. He said "Group attack".

I don't think it's conjecture to interpret "YOU PEOPLE DISGUST ME" as a group attack. :rofl:

[Lerkfish]

55. can you explain how your thread is NOT a group attack?

that's probably a more apt question.

what I said was "this APPEARS to be a lockable thread" If you disagree with that assessment, do you have any arguments that disagree with me?

that's cool if you do -- I'm just noting that today the mods seem to be locking threads like this, on both sides.

[Phillycat]

64. Proving a negative?

You need a refresher course in logic! :D

How about you suggest a way in which my thread IS a group attack? Please quote liberally from the OP. Thank you.

[Lerkfish]

65. LOL

stay classy

[LisaM]

56. Did you get the one about the ovaries?

I was told the other day "I'm not going to vote for someone just because she has a vagina!"


In fact, I've heard that a good half dozen times. Which certainly implies that anyone voting for Hillary is only doing so because of, well, you know. It's offensive, so I'll let the quote stand for itself.

[patrice]

133. It doesn't imply "anyone", just that there are some who are voting for that reason.

The logical basis of the problematic assertion is:

People vote for candidates who have vaginas.
Hillary has a vagina.
People will vote for Hillary.

The only way you can get to your logic is with somethig like:

Vaginas are the sole cause of voting compliance.
Hillary has a vagina.
All of Hillary's folowers are voting for her because of her vagina. (Do you REALLY think whoever said that to you thinks this?)

[Warren DeMontague]

32. I got one! "Hillary voted for the IWR--- and refuses to admit it was a mistake"

Shit, you can't get any more SEXIST than that statement!!!

[LSK]

38. Hillary voted to declare the Iranian military as a terrorist organization

That should be a good one too!!!

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00349

[Warren DeMontague]

40. I'm not sure how you can tie your shoes, you're obviously so blinded by misogyny.

Woman-hater.

[LSK]

49. I didnt even bring up admitting to take lobbyist money

But that would probably make it overwhelmingly obvious of how sexist I am.

[TahitiNut]

48. Well, a woman has the right to change her mind, right?

Wait. She didn't change her mind. Oops! No ... she supported the "patriarchy" and THEN whined about being deceived.

Poor Nell. Snidely Whiplash Bush tied her to the IWR tracks. Snidely Whiplash Bush tied her to the Kyl/Lieberman tracks. Snidely Whiplash Bush tied her to the cluster bomb tracks.

:eyes:

It's never HER fault!

[patrice]

134. It wasn't a mistake. It was, dare I say, "her" ticket to the pResidency and that's

why :scared: she :scared: can't talk about it.

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[Warren DeMontague]

36. BINGO! nt

[newmajority]

69. You sexist, misogynist Pigbot!!!111!!!!

:mad:

[slinkerwink]

37. There HAS been sexism towards Senator Clinton, and in the portrayal of her campaign BUT

it isn't the main reason why she lost.

[jbm]

141. the way the media portrays a campaign..

is the only reason anyone wins or loses these days.

[billyoc]

39. There's PLENTY of sexism and Hillary IS a whiny victim.

can I be on the card?

[dionysus]

41. i am sorry you are upset hillary has lost.

banky will make it allllll better;

[Phillycat]

45. That's a great one!

Thanks, that one will definitely make it in.

[lastliberalintexas]

57. As an uncommitted, my favorite response is

"You Hillary fans are just whining cause she's losing" or "Hillary supporters are inventing excuses for her loss" :eyes:


I've been downright hostile to a Clinton nomination for some time, and yet the misogyny directed at her and many of her supporters *almost* turned me into a Clinton voter.

[Phillycat]

60. Edwards was my candidate...

I wasn't too thrilled by either of the remaining candidates, but chose Hillary based on her experience. In the course of the campaign, I was damned impressed with how TENACIOUS she is. No matter what they threw at her, she just smiled and GOT ON WITH IT.

I think her campaign has suffered from mismanagement, like the poster below. But the amount of sexism directed against her I've seen in the MSM and here on DU is an indictment of the state of sex relations in this entire freaking country.

Sexist Obama supporters have no idea how many of us they drove into Hillary's arms.

[MrsT]

58. I don't blame sexism for her loss, I blame Mark Penn and bad strategy.

That probably won't work well on your bingo card though.

[democrattotheend]

124. Wow, a rational Clinton supporter

Refreshing. Welcome to DU!

[patrice]

135. They thought it was a win:win for them, perfect instance of group-think. Didn't deliver the goods.

Her strategists should have known that way early there should have been an honest public discussion about the IWR in which she demonstrated her ability to listen and to understand what that meant to folks.

[lastliberalintexas]

59. After having read the rest of the responses now,

I must say that some people here are complete and utter dipshits and/or assholes. Way to intentionally misunderstand a post, people.

[npincus]

61. this is really silly; an unproductive, unelpful waste of energy.

If you see sexism, it's there. I don't see sexism, it's not there. Move on.

[Phillycat]

62. I'm sorry, I think we've had this one already above.

It's a great one to include, don't get me wrong. The "LET'S ALL MOVE ON" ostrich-head-sand meme is brilliant. I just don't want to have dupes. I hope you can understand.

[npincus]

80. I suppose you can't think of a single other reason why HRC

fell behind. There's a dreadully sexist analysis by the notorious sexist Michelle Cottle in that sexist rag, The New Republic, in which a number of HRC campaign insiders elucidate their sexist thoughts of what went wrong. Sexistly, speaking of course. But I guess that kind of sexist stuff holds no appeal to you. Continue your unproductive, but un-sexist exercise.

Signed,

a sexist white female for Obama- the Sexist

[Gidney N Cloyd]

63. Is this Bingo or Calvin Ball? I read the whole thread and can't figure out what the point is. nt

[BlooInBloo]

67. Pretending that sexism and criticism in general are the same thing puts women down.

[Phillycat]

74. Ah, this one's good!

"It's only criticism! We'd say the same things to a male candidate!"

Mmm hmm. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdnlNZg2iM

[BlooInBloo]

81. But... that isn't what I said.

[JVS]

70. I think I'd rather make a Sore Loser Bingo card.

"The DNC is Sexist"

"Under the GOP rules we'd be winning"

"We need to change the rules midstream"

"Caucuses are undemocratic"....

[Phillycat]

71. I'm sorry; I think this falls under the "SHE LOST; GET OVER IT" meme.

But thank you for participating!

[JVS]

73. It's not a meme, it's a fact.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

72. The problem some people have is the way the gender card is played.

Obviously, Hillary is subject to sexism, but some of her biggest supporters here use it as a catchall for anything that goes wrong with her campaign, even though poor planning and bad strategy was her biggest downfall.

I've also seen posts blindly accusing Obama of sexism and/or threatening to not vote for him if he's the nominee simply because Hillary didn't win -- this perpetuates the perception of sexism being used as an excuse, and it's couched in terms of the greater struggle, but to its own detriment.

Yes, sexism is a factor, but it's hardly the main reason Hillary lost. She ran against a virtually unknown black guy named Barack Hussein Obama, for God's sake. Despite having the initial commanding advantages of political connections, fundraising, name recognition and an ex-President husband, she still couldn't pull it off.

[Phillycat]

76. Look at that, a thoughtful post!

Wow, you may be the last of a dying breed, sir.

Of course, I disagree with you. :D Not about the mismanagement of Hillary's campaign - I think that's beyond dispute. No, I disagree with your last paragraph - that Hillary had the advantages in the campaign. Obama was touted as the golden by the media for the past 6 months, with ONE serious challenge in the Reverend Wright controversy. He has and has had 3 or 4 times as much money as she, and yet he still couldn't decisively shut her down.

I also disagree that sexism wasn't a large factor in Hillary's eventual downfall. Which was bigger, the sexism or the mismanagement? I don't think you can quantify it like that - or you can, but it will be subjective. We won't change each other's minds, so...care for a game of Bingo? :D

[Starbucks Anarchist]

93. I'm on the endangered-species list.

;)

I'll give you the media angle regarding their initial Obama infatuation.

However, Hillary's 15-odd years in the public eye and her other initial advantages (including the vast majority of SDs, not to mention her higher approval rating among African-American voters vs. Obama) not only packaged her own hype, they sold it to her -- that's why she said the race "would be over by February 5th."

Her current campaign persona is far different from her initial one. It was only after SC and Obama's 11 wins in a row that she decided to change gears. Unfortunately, it came too late and appeared to some people as political pandering.

As far as the money raised, her biggest mistake was maxing out her big donors early and blowing $140 million by Super Tuesday. That gave Obama the financial advantage, but mere money can't overcome certain demographics -- Hillary could outspend Obama in SC and would still lose, while Obama could (and did) outspend her in PA and still lose.

But back to your main point. Yes, sexism is hard to quantify in terms of her loss, but in my opinion, it paled in comparison to the machinations of Penn, Doyle, Wolfson, etc. Sexism is alive and well, as is racism, but they should not be used as cudgels against failure. We have two demographically unique candidates who both knew they were going to face these problems. The difference is that Obama's campaign seemed to realize it first and acted accordingly.

Ironically, Obama was also held back by sexism, but in the opposite direction. If he attacked Hillary too hard, the media would frame him as the angry black man beating up on the older white woman, so he had to walk a fine line throughout the primary season as well.

However, Obama surrounded himself with far superior (and cheaper) strategists. They knew it would be an uphill climb, especially against the Clinton brand, but they played the game very well and successfully.

Okay, I filled out my thoughtful-post quota for the day. And I prefer Battleship. ;)

[Phillycat]

99. I love Battleship! :)

Just to respond to a few points:

not to mention her higher approval rating among African-American voters vs. Obama

I think we have to be realistic about this and accept that it was only because they didn't yet know if Obama would be VIABLE that he didn't have their support. The Jesse Jackson syndrome. A viable candidate is a supportable candidate. It's the reason Kucinich will never win a major election, despite the fact that most liberals agree with every one of his positions (the Department of Peace notwithstanding, heh).

There's no question she was overconfident prior to Super Tuesday, or that her campaign managed finances extremely poorly. We are in complete agreement there.

Sexism is alive and well, as is racism, but they should not be used as cudgels against failure.

Again, that's a subjective thing. That's where we differ. I think that saying over and over that there was no sexism and we should all just move on is sexist in itself. Heh.

But I know for a fact that you're not a sexist and we can cordially agree to disagree. Also, I think it's hilarious how many people on this thread think that a post about sexism means I won't support the nominee or I can't get over Hillary's loss. I WILL vote for Obama in the GE and I've said that all along. It's only people's blind hatred for Hillary that blinds them to that.

Have a good one. :hi:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

102. The agreed-upon logic! It burns!

:hi: :toast:

[Boojatta]

129. "3 or 4 times as much money as she"

Money is sexist?

[NeedleCast]

75. So You create an inflamitory thread

and then act like you're some sort of political wit with a unique idea when you get flame responses?

That's cute (and you can add that to your card as well!)

(PS: Janesez is a shitty song that's totally overplayed)

(PSS: It's really not, but you can add it to your card!)

[Phillycat]

79. I...heh.

There there. Bless your heart.

[NeedleCast]

83. I don't need your sympathy, my candidate won

Please, feel free to continue with the flamebait. It's entertaining, and at best you've got a few weeks left to play the "poor Hillary (add it to the card!), she didn't win because of sexism" card.

Bless YOUR heart, for providing entertainment on a slow work day. That being said, it's telling that your flamebait thread has only two recs. I could poop on a shingle and get that.

[Phillycat]

87. Oh my goodness!

You should alert if it's flamebait!

But...the OP only contained actual quotes from DU. So, uh, how is that flamebait?

[NeedleCast]

95. Why Would I Alert on Free Entertainment?

Mmmmmm, out of context quotes, many of which have nothing to do with sexism, sure, that's not flamebait. You continue to prove that some Hillary supporters take any negative comment about Hillary to be Sexist.

Hillary ran a shitty campaign mired in retroactive mud-slinging and attacks. She went from being able to coast to the nomination to losing because she surrounded herself with poor advisors, like Mark Penn (I'm sure he's a big feminist supporter). People will study her campaign in government and political science college classes for the next 100 years as the poster-child for how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

I'm sure you'll find something sexist in what I just said because, just like the rest of the poutrage crowd, if you look hard enough for something, you'll always find it, whether it exists or not. And remember, it's not you that's crazy, it's everyone else.

[Phillycat]

100. Keep on kicking my thread, please.

I do appreciate it! :hi:

[NeedleCast]

104. No Problem!

You're one of only a few people that think I'm doing you a favor by keeping this thread exposed...

[Phillycat]

105. People WHO, dear, people WHO.

[NeedleCast]

116. Ooooo, a Baseless Grammar Error

You're the big winner!

You've exposed my tender under-belly. I'm undone! Despite the fact that you've got no pony left in this race, I'm sure the pundits will pick up on the fact that a Clinton supporter has bested an Obama supporter in a grammar competition.

BUT WAIT!

"People who, dear, people who." is actually a sentence fragment, and is, itself, grammatically incorrect. So now we're even again.

[Erin Elizabeth]

77. Actually, some of the things you have on there aren't

sexist at all.

For example, how is "Can't you take a joke?" sexist?

[Phillycat]

78. You haven't been here very long, have you?

Ask any of the weary veterans of the "Sexism/Bitch" wars on DU how "Can't you take a joke?" is sexist.

Actually, just ask any feminist. It's pretty common.

[Erin Elizabeth]

82. I AM asking. I'm asking YOU.

HOW exactly is it SEXIST?

Would you mind explaining that? I can see how it is OBNOXIOUS. But OBNOXIOUS and SEXIST do not mean the same thing. In fact, I'll help you out in answering my question with the definition of sexism:

1. attitudes or behavior based on traditional stereotypes of sexual roles.
2. discrimination or devaluation based on a person's sex, as in restricted job opportunities; esp., such discrimination directed against women

There you go. Now. I AM a feminist. You claim to be a feminist. You say "just ask any feminist." So now I'm asking you to explain how it's sexist.

[NeedleCast]

84. (You Don't Really Expect an Explanation, Do You)?

[Phillycat]

86. Whoops!

Silly.

[Phillycat]

85. I don't claim anything.

A common response when someone is called on their sexism is "I was only joking!" or "Geez, lighten up!" Spend enough time on political message boards as a feminist who isn't afraid to challenge the sexism she sees and you will get this response constantly.

[Name removed]

88. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Erin Elizabeth]

90. Oh and you know what? It's little games like this and

throwing around the word sexism so much like y'all do that's going to make the word have NO meaning at all.

So--thanks for that. :eyes:

[BlooInBloo]

91. Sexist.

:P

:rofl:

[Phillycat]

94. I have a secret for you...

Every time you post, you kick this thread. :loveya:

[Phillycat]

92. Oh, dear.

You actually don't understand the thread, do you? You poor thing. :hug:

[Scout]

89. good on ya' janesez! k& r n/t

[Sparkly]

96. "She and her supporters are setting the women's movement back by decades!!"

That's always a favorite.

[Phillycat]

101. Oh good one!

I think someone said that just above, actually! :rofl: :hi:

[Pamela Troy]

97. You're playing the "misogyny" card.

[Phillycat]

103. Excellent, yes!

I keep that in my pocket and whip it out whenever Hillary loses! I got it laminated! :rofl:

[RunningFromCongress]

98. You have to be kidding, most of those things aren't sexist at all

[Barack_America]

106. Reproductive freedom is SO overrated, I'm voting McCain!

How's that one?

[Phillycat]

107. Are you? Goodness, I never would!

And neither would Hillary. But I suppose that's your right.

[Barack_America]

109. Good Lord no, but unfortunately I have seen that sentiment echoed.

By women. By feminists. And it makes me very sad.

I'll never understand how any feminist could support a man vowing to appoint judges that would challenge choice and has called his wife a "cunt" in public.

[Phillycat]

112. Well, again, I support the nominee...

but I can certainly understand why, for example, a lesbian feminist would not be able to bring herself to vote for a man who was willing to bring a homophobic hatemonger onstage at a campaign stop in order to use gay people as sacrificial lambs to shore up his support with black evangelicals...

Of course, that's only an example.

[sfaprog]

108. Here's two for you to add - they don't quite fit into your empty rhetoric theme, but they'll work:

When you claim "sexism" with no facts or context to back it up, you are weakening the claim for truly sexist attacks

To vote for or against a candidate solely because of their gender is sexist no matter which gender you are talking about.

[Phillycat]

113. I'm sorry, it's been taken already - see post 96.

But thank you for playing!

[Marie26]

110. "Fatal Attraction" &/or psycho ex-girlfriend references

Witch/B*tch references get double points.

[Phillycat]

115. "She's like that bitch from Fatal Attraction"...

BINGO!!! :rofl:

[TahitiNut]

114. "It takes me longer to get ready."

:eyes:

Poor Nell.

[LSK]

117. "the sun sets in the west" - clearly sexist

[Lilith Velkor]

119. Hillary is an embarassment to all women! Good feminists support Obama!

[iconicgnom]

121. well, I for one approve of sex!

[Forkboy]

122. Good heavens...have a plum.

[Two Americas]

123. more

She asked for it.

She had it coming.

She started it.

She hit me first.

[ProSense]

125. "It's win-win!" Here's

whine-whine situation.

[OzarkDem]

132. ..

[Zomby Woof]

127. And in the center "FREE" square...

"F*#K THAT BITCH BILLARY!"

:woohoo:

[Phillycat]

138. Aw, Billary. I can't decide if I like that one or "Hitlery" more.

Yes, Hitlery! No longer the exclusive purview of Free Republic. You might have thought, not too long ago, that you'd NEVER hear "Hitlery" on Democratic Underground. It just goes to show we've got a big, big tent here. So big the misogynists are welcomed in with everyone else! :rofl: :cry:

[RichardRay]

130. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur

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[OzarkDem]

131. Iron My Shirt, Get back in the kitchen, Roe v Wade is the only women's issue

Three more for the list

[joeybee12]

136. It's not about women, it's about Hilary...

...yeah, right. (as to why they don't like her).

[OzarkDem]

137. ..

[NashVegas]

139. "I'm Not Voting With My Vagina"

and "Bros before Hos"

[jbm]

140. "there's something about her I just don't like"

A few weeks ago I got so sick of hearing that I started to pursue it. I'd say, "Well, think about it-what is it you don't like"? Twenty minutes later we were still at, "There's something about her I just don't like".

[jbm]

142. excellent thread BTW..

It's a shame that your thread which is dealing with a genuine issue has so few recommends, while the thread that bashes Hillary and demands she not be offered the VP slot is nearing 100 recommends. I've learned this election season that Dems can be as fanatical, illogical, and unfair as their Repub counterparts.

[Prophet 451]

143. Is this flamebait or is there a chance of actual discussion here?

Assuming goodwill and therefore, the latter:

I'm a lukewarm Obama supporter. He wasn't my first choice. In fact, neither he nor Hillary were even in my top three (I went Gore, Kucinich, Edwards).

Yes, much of the media coverage toward Hillary has been tainted with subtle (and sometimes blatant) sexism. That's disgusting but until we get some movement on media reform (another reason to vote Dem in November) or a large-scale grassroots movement (and I'm open to ideas on that one), I see little hope of changing it.

Granted also, a certain number of supporters of other candidates (mainly, but not entirely, Obama supporters) have gone way over the line. That's disgusting too and if you check my DU journal, you'll find several posts calling them on it.

However, the HRC campaign and, even more so, her supporters have overplayed the charge of sexism. Are you still reading and thinking or already thinking up your dismissal of me? Assuming goodwill again, I'll continue. A certain faction of Hillary's supporters (and I couldn't guess at their numbers but I doubt it would be a large portion although they are very loud) have decided that the only reason anyone would not support Hillary is sexism, effectively that anyone who does not support the Hillary campaign is sexist by default. That's not only absurd (since it would be just as easy to accuse Obama supporters of racism) but insulting. Some of those opposing Hillary certainly are sexist but the flat accusation that anyone not supporting Hillary is sexist (and don't kind yourself, I've seen it several times, including here) is an insult to the variety of human reasoning. The Clinton campaign (and again, even more her supporters) have too often leveled the accusation of sexism not just at actual sexist speech or behaviour but at any criticism, no matter how deserved. We all know that the Obama supporters have a share of personality cult crazies in their ranks and I'd be a fool to deny that but the HRC campaign has it's fair share too. I suppose it's inevitible that when politics is reduced to personalities as it has been, people with strong personalities (which both HRC and Obama have) will attract some personality cultists. Those cultists have, far too often, used the charge of sexism not to decry the real thing or to open up an adult discussion about gender issues but as a blunt weapon to beat at their disputants and as a cover for the mistakes the Hillary campaign has made.

Now, I'm assuming goodwill here so, are we going to have an adult discussion about what we've learned from this race or are you going to dismiss my points entirely and possibly label me sexist?