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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:39 PM
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Hillary staffers and supporters reveal how she lost
Fascinating article in The New Republic -- from the mouths of Hillary's staffers.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=f7a4a380-c4a4-4f84-b653-f252e8569915">What went wrong

Endings are rarely as joyous as beginnings--and in the case of a long, wearing, and ultimately disappointing campaign, they can be downright brutal. But they also have the potential to be educational, for participants and gawkers alike. So it is that we asked (begged, really) a range of Hillarylanders for their up-close and personal lists of "What Went Wrong?" Not everyone wanted to play. Many stubbornly pointed out that their candidate is not yet dead. But, on the condition of total anonymity, a fairly broad enough cross-section of her staff responded--more than a dozen members all told, from high-level advisors to grunt-level assistants, from money men to on-the-ground organizers.

Many answers fell into a handful of broad themes we've been hearing for months now. (She shouldn't have run as an incumbent. She should have paid more attention to caucus states. She should have kept Bill chained in the basement at Whitehaven with a case of cheese curls and a stack of dirty movies.) Others had a distinct score-settling flavor. One respondent sent in a list of Top 25 screw ups, the first three being:

1. Patti
2. Solis
3. Doyle

(snip)

"Bottom line: I just don't think she was hungry enough for it in the beginning. It wasn't really until the ten-in-a-row loss that she started doing stuff like Saturday Night Live and Jon Stewart. In the beginning, it was hard to get her to do those things. Early in the campaign, she spent much more time in the Senate than the campaign would have liked. It took the threat of a real loss to get her hungry enough for it. But time was lost. If you ask the Iowa folks, I'm sure they would tell you she wasn't there enough."

"Clearly was a phenomenon. He was tapping something really different than anyone had ever seen before. ... Months and months before Iowa, he was getting record crowds. I just think they should have really gone after him back in the summer and in the fall. I know it would have been a difficult decision to make back then. She's the leader of the party, the standard bearer, the big dog. Everyone thinks she's gonna win and walk away with it. Why go picking on Barack Obama? But that's just something the campaign should have done sooner."

"We didn't lay a serious glove on him until the fall. We tried to a little bit, but we weren't successful. We did silly stuff, like talk about David Geffen. It wasn't the substantive contrast we needed to make."

"Devastating vulnerabilities such as Obama's associations with Wright and Ayers were not unearthed by the campaign's vaunted research team in time to be fully taken advantage of--despite being readily available in the public domain."

(snip)

"There was financial mismanagement bordering on fraud. A candidate who raised more than a quarter of a billion dollars over the years had to pump in millions more of her own money to stave off bankruptcy."

"If you have no cash because you totally mismanaged the budget, you have no money to go up on TV; you're getting crushed on TV and in direct mail because Obama has so much more money--that is a huge problem. Who was looking at the money? The financial situation was a disaster. That's the reason Paster had to come in and clean shit up."
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:45 PM
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1. Her campaign was a comedy of errors from start to finish.
And now she is making snow angels in the debris.
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psychmommy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:48 PM
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4. no one mentioned mark penn.
all of that money spent on him was a total waste/ they're probably still paying him. financial mismanagement is an understatement.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:51 PM
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7. sure they did
in the article he's brought up
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:51 PM
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8. Mark Penn is mentioned in the full article...
...go to the link.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:54 PM
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12. and she is going further and further into debt, a debt she no doubt will expect Barack to assume
She is positioning herself for a rude awakening on that notion. She and she alone will pay the consequences of lacking the grace to concede in a timely fashion.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:01 PM
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17. where on earth did you get that graphic, or did you come up with it on your own?
you never cease to amaze me.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:05 PM
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19. Um, thank you?
Edited on Fri May-16-08 02:26 PM by AtomicKitten
:D

On edit and to answer your question, I got it off the series of tubes.
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NeedleCast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:59 PM
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16. Yup
Mark Penn is a hell of a lot richer after this campaign and I'd bet my bottom dollar he doesn't give one damn that Hillary lost.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:46 PM
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2. Interesting that they are dinging her for "spending too much time in the Senate"
I remember Kerry getting knocked for campaigning too much and NOT spending enough time in the Senate.

The last few months, I don't think either candidate has been there enough.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:30 PM
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21. Unfortunately
with the current interminable campaign season, you can't do both.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:47 PM
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3. She Lied. She Race Baited. The End n/t
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:48 PM
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5. "There was financial mismangment bordering on fraud"--Now THAT's
quite an addition to the resume of a candidate seeking to be President of the United States!
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:50 PM
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6. Hillary just wrote the textbook on how to lose a campaign
Seriously, her presidential run is going to be studied for decades, as is Obama's (for an entirely different reason).

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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:51 PM
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9. I have to agree with Chris Matthews
her biggest mistake was the IWR...
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:53 PM
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11. Agreed. She would have the nomination if she had voted against the war. n/t
Edited on Fri May-16-08 01:53 PM by FSogol
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:56 PM
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14. Seriously, I really think that many people just don't like her, Period. n/t
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:05 PM
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20. I disagree
we all loved and defended the Clinton's for years-and we will again-at least Hill...Bill OTOH is forever flawed in a lot of our eyes now
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FSogol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:52 PM
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10. So what exactly happened to all that money?
Did it all line the pockets of useless consultants?
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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:56 PM
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13. Here's more:
"There was not any plan in place from beginning to end on how to win the nomination. It was, 'Win Iowa.' There was not the experience level, and, frankly, the management ability, to create a whole plan to get to the magical delegate number. That to me is the number one thing. It's starting from that point that every subsequent decision resulted. The decision to spend x amount in Iowa versus be prepared for February 5 and beyond. Or how much money to spend in South Carolina--where it was highly unlikely we were going to win--versus the decision not to fund certain other states. ... It was not as simple as, 'Oh, that's a caucus state, we're not going to play there.' That suggests a more serious thought process. It suggests a meeting where we went through all that."


"Harold Ickes's encyclopedic understanding of the proportional delegate system was never operationalized into a field plan. The campaign inexplicably wrote off many states entirely, allowing Obama to create the lead of 100+ delegates that he has today. Most notably, we claimed the race would be over by February 5, but didn't devote any resources to the smaller states that day and in the weeks that followed, allowing Obama to easily run up margins and delegate counts on the cheap--the delegate margin he will win by."

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Harry Monroe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 01:56 PM
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15. "Bottom line: I just don't think she was hungry enough for it in the beginning..."
Translation: She thought it was in the bag, that it would be hers simply because she "was entitled to it". Therefore why sweat it?? Her biggest mistake was that she never anticipated a serious challenge.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:01 PM
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18. They will be studying this in textbooks for years to come.
It will be looked upon as a classic case of turning an almost inevitable nomination into a bust. And they will also be studying how Obama pulled it off.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:42 PM
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22. If the campaign was ran in this manner, Hillary Clinton deserved to lose.....
Way too many woulda, coulda, shoulda, etc.....on just about every single facet of the campaign starting on day one to now.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:49 PM
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23. BREAKING!!! A pro-Obama magazine has an anti-Clinton story!
Wow.
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