* Not so fast* Isn't this a clear violation of campaign finance law?

[grantcart]

On their way out Hillary supporters are running this ad:







We are the women of this nation. We are rich and poor, young and old, married with children, married without children, single moms, gay, straight, and widowed. We are every color. We are of every religion. We are from all political parties.

We love our country. Now more than ever, so much of what we cherish is at risk -- our homes and our health, our safety and our planet, our children and our values. We raise our voices, in one glorious, defiant chorus to tell the world that these times demand strength, courage and vision.

And that is why we stand united in our unwavering support of Hillary Clinton.

As this indefatigable woman campaigns, she speaks with our voice. She carries our hopes, dreams and aspirations with her and transforms them into policies that can make our nation great again.

We know that Hillary will not rest until every American has health insurance, every child can start school ready to learn, every young person has a chance to attend college, every worker will have a safe job at decent wages. She will not rest until our men and women in the military receive the care they deserve and American foreign policy is grounded in human rights and military strength.

We know this because we have seen her do it - - at home and around the world.

Women risked all they held dear to make this country great. They put their lives on the line in all our quests for justice - - from Abigail Adams to Sojourner Truth to Susan B. Anthony to Eleanor Roosevelt to Fannie Lou Hamer to Barbara Jordan to Ann Richards to Dolores Huerta. And now, Hillary.

We know that when women vote, Democrats win. Now it is the responsibility of our party to hear our voices and count all of our votes.

We want Hillary to stay in this race until every vote is cast, every vote is counted, and we know that our voices are heard.







AS THIS IS NOT ABOUT AN ISSUE BUT ADVOCATES THE CANDIDACY OF A PARTICULAR CANDIDATE IS IT NOT A VIOLATION OF CAMPAIGN FINANCE LAW?

[JuniperLea]

1. Look more closely... see who paid for the ad... eom

[grantcart]

7. That's my point 527 and PAC committees are prohibited from running ads for candidates

just like Swift boat ads that were found to be illegal and fined after the fact.

[Maribelle]

29. You're mistaken. 527s have to comply with tax-exempt rules. PACs do not.

Thanks for stealing my work and reposting it for trashing.

[Exilednight]

60. Wrong ......

527's are not allowed to campaign directly for, or against, a candidate.

PAC's are a different story. They can advocate election, or defeat, of a candidate, they are bound by several rules.


If this is a 527, then they are way out of bounds. If they are a PAC, then they may be walking a fine line.

[PBS Poll-435]

61. Nope. They are a Section 527 PAC

And they can put ads in the newspaper any god-damned time they want to.

Just no TV or Radio.

[Exilednight]

66. a 527 is different than a PAC. A PAC must be registered with the FEC, a 527 does not .......

but a 527 can not advocate one candidate over another, whether it being run and for one candidate, or against another.

PAC's can can run such ads, but there are restrictions.

[PBS Poll-435]

68. A FEC-registered, incorporated, 527 can not engage in 'Electioneering.'

Unfortunately, an ad in the newspaper is excluded from the definition of 'Electioneering'

2 U.S.C. 434(f)(3)(c)

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14feb20071500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2007/janqtr/11cfr100.29.htm

[Exilednight]

69. A 527 is not allowed to advocate one candidate over another. PERIOD ........

They are registered as a 527 with the IRS, which makes this illegal.

The law you're talking about is for PAC's that are registered with FEC.

[PBS Poll-435]

70. Here is a link to a pretty chart and a nice summary from the IRS. Deal with it.

http://www.irs.gov/charities/political/article/0,,id=96350,00.html



A political organization subject to 527 is a party, committee, association, fund, or other organization (whether or not incorporated) organized and operated primarily for the purpose of directly or indirectly accepting contributions or making expenditures, or both, for an exempt function.

The exempt function of a political organization is influencing or attempting to influence the selection, nomination, election or appointment of an individual to a federal, state, or local public office or office in a political organization.



http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=170946,00.html

..................................................501(c)(3)..501(c)(4) ..501(c)(5)..501(c)(6) ..527
Engage in candidate election advocacy ..NO ....... LTD ....... LTD ....... LTD ....... YES

[Exilednight]

76. ONLY if they are registered with FEC, which would then make them a PAC. Just ........

out of curiosity, where did you get your law degree from?

[PBS Poll-435]

77. GOOD LORD!! Which is it? Either the IRS or the FEC. Pick One.

The IRS says 'Candidate Advocacy' is A-OK for a Section 527 Group.

The FEC says a 527 can't engage in "electioneering."

The US CODE says that "print-media" is excluded from the definition of "electioneering."


WomenCount PAC is, obviously, a PAC and a group operating under Section 527.



What is so difficult about this?

[Exilednight]

81. Let me break this down for you under the simplest terms.

A 527 is required to be registered with the IRS, but not the FEC. Under this configuration, a 527 can not advocate one candidate over another. This is what is referred to as a '527 group'

A PAC is a 527 that is registered with FEC as a Political Action Committee. Under this format, a PAC can advocate one nominee over another, but there are limitations put on them. This is what is referred to as a "PAC", even though they are a type of 527 they fall under different guidelines.

Now, everything I can find on this group shows they are registered with the IRS as a 527, but not with the FEC.

They call themselves a Political Action Committee, but I can't find a filing with the FEC. That's not to say that they aren't registered, but no one seems to have documentation of it.

[PBS Poll-435]

82. One sentence in, and we already have problems.

Do you have a clue about why the IRS is even involved? (tax-)Exempt activity.
These groups have money pouring in, and the IRS wants to make sure that you are using it for the reason the funds were solicited.

"Exempt Activity" is the very thing that you say 527s can't do. Can you point me to a IRC section?

Again, here is a link from the IRS that says 527s CAN engage in "Candidate Election Advocacy."
http://www.irs.gov/charities/article/0,,id=170946,00.html

WomenCount PAC is NOT attempting to act like a post-Wisconsin Right to Life v FEC non-registered 527.



And by the way....according to this article, they registered with the FEC THIS WEEK.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080516/pl_usnw/womencount_raises170k_in_two_days_for_hrc_ad

[PBS Poll-435]

83. AND Gee. Here is their FEC link....

http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?C00450098

[PBS Poll-435]

85. Here is a nice link to IRC Section 527.

Pay special attention to the "exempt function" definition.

[Lerkfish]

80. This is YOUR work?

explains a lot.

[Adelante]

106. Well, it's an ad, isn't it?

Intended for public airing. What's wrong with posting it? How is it theft of your "work"?

[EFerrari]

2. Of course it is. These people are so out of touch

they'll never see the IRS coming.

[PBS Poll-435]

55. I wouldn't assume.

Newspapers are A-OK!

[PBS Poll-435]

3. I don't think so.

Buckley v. Valeo

[grantcart]

27. That was in the 70s and thats why campaign finance reform was passed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act

[PBS Poll-435]

49. Electioneering Period SPECIFCALLY Excludes "Printed Media"

[grantcart]

28. FEC - no ads within 30 days of a primary or caucus

n December 2006, however, the FEC did enter settlements with three 527 groups the Commission found to have violated federal law by failing to register as "political committees" and abide by contribution limits, source prohibitions and disclosure requirements during the 2004 election cycle. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was fined $299,500; the League of Conservation Voters was fined $180,000; MoveOn.org was fined $150,000. Then, in February 2007, the 527 organization Progress for America Voter Fund was likewise fined $750,000 for its failure to abide by federal campaign finance laws during the 2004 election cycle.

In June of 2007 the U.S. Supreme Court held, in Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc., that BCRA's limitations on corporate and labor union funding of broadcast ads mentioning a candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election are unconstitutional as applied to ads susceptible of a reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a specific candidate. Some election law experts believe the new exception will render BCRA's "electioneering communication" provisions meaningless, while others believe the new exception is quite narrow. The Federal Election Commission's interpretation and application of the new exception during the 2008 election cycle will determine the true scope and impact of the Court's decision.


edited to add link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act

[PBS Poll-435]

47. FAIL

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14feb20071500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2007/janqtr/11cfr100.29.htm

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

91. warning, time for a wikipedia edit war

hehe, be sure to save a copy of the wikipedia page.

Those things can change in a minute - I've been in some wikipedia wars
before. They get nasty.

Always need a wise experienced wikipedia editor to keep things
from getting out of hand.

[Zodiak]

4. Depends

Is here a "I a Hillary Clinton, and I approve this message?"

If not, then this must be a 527, and yes, they cannot advocate one candidate by name.

[grantcart]

9. It specifically says it is not affilliated with a campaign

[PBS Poll-435]

11. Not every 527 has to file FEC reports

[grantcart]

26. yes they do and they get fined it just never makes the news

Swiftboat Veterans were fined after they ran their ads but no one remembers it.

[PBS Poll-435]

37. Not every 527 has to file FEC reports

http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_general.shtml#527

[grantcart]

39. 527s that run ads have to and they are prohibiged from running ads 30 days before a primary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform...


In June of 2007 the U.S. Supreme Court held, in Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc., that BCRA's limitations on corporate and labor union funding of broadcast ads mentioning a candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election are unconstitutional as applied to ads susceptible of a reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a specific candidate. Some election law experts believe the new exception will render BCRA's "electioneering communication" provisions meaningless, while others believe the new exception is quite narrow. The Federal Election Commission's interpretation and application of the new exception during the 2008 election cycle will determine the true scope and impact of the Court's decision.
Buddhist Democrat

[PBS Poll-435]

46. HAHA

Printed Media EXCLUDED from 30-day Electioneering Communications Period

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14feb20071500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2007/janqtr/11cfr100.29.htm

[Occam Bandage]

5. Aren't PACs allowed to do that?

[Zodiak]

6. You may be right

Remember the "Club for Growth"?

They mentioned Howard Den by name in their ad.

I haven't thought of that.

So if it is a 527, then yes it is a violation, but if it as a PAC like Club for Growth, then no.

[grantcart]

8. I don't think so they are allowed to make contributions

can you ever think of a PAC doing it? if 527s cannot do it I don't think a PAC can

[bigbrother05]

13. check your inbox

[grantcart]

16. Here is what you sent me

>To make this full-page placement a reality, they need your
>support today and through the end of this week. Please see
>nycvoter's post in Hot Topics for more information on what you
>can do to help get this message out.
>
>Update via DebDeb:
>
>WomenCount PAC is appreciative of all those who wish to donate
>to the ads they are planning to run. They stress, however,
>that if you are not maxed out, that your donations go to
>Senator Clinton's campaign FIRST and the WomenCount PAC
>second. Please send checks:
>
>Payable to:
>WomenCount PAC
>Mail to:
>c/o Megan Asmus
>The Sutton Law Firm, PC
>150 Post Street
>Suite 405
>San Francisco, CA 94108
>
>An overnight FedEx would be appreciated, but is certainly not
>a requirement. They will be happy to receive your donation via
>snail-mail. If, however, you are sending FedEx, please include
>the law firm's phone number on the package: 415.732.7700.
>
>An electronic payment method is also in the works.



It is even more of a problem because not only are 527s not supposed to run ads for candidates they are not to have any connection with camapaigns and directing people to contriubte to the Clinton campaign makes it worse.

By stating to contribute to the campaign first until you are maxed out and then contribute to this group shows that the entire intent is to circumvent the Campaign Finance Law.

[Ichingcarpenter]

17. What I found

What is a 527?

So-called 527 groups operate under Section 527 of the Internal Revenue Service code, advocating issues while avoiding direct support of candidates. This allows them to operate unencumbered by Federal Election Commission contribution limits. By law the new group cannot coordinate its activities with Clinton's campaign organization.



http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/02/527_commercials_in_ohio_will_p.html

[janx]

23. WHOOPS. n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

45. The hillary forum and hillary 44 are violating this clause also

"No person shall make a contribution in the name of another person or knowingly permit his name to be used to effect such a contribution, and no person shall knowingly accept a contribution made by one person in the name of another person."

http://hillaryis44.blogspot.com/2008/05/hill-hag-on-clinton-financial-steering.html

[Why Syzygy]

99. Sure looks like campaign contribution solicitation to me. Remember Peter Paul?

If these people get in trouble, Hillary will disown them.

[EFerrari]

21. No.

[grantcart]

41. FEC v Wisconsin Right to Life -- No candidate ads 30 days before a primary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform...


In June of 2007 the U.S. Supreme Court held, in Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc., that BCRA's limitations on corporate and labor union funding of broadcast ads mentioning a candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election are unconstitutional as applied to ads susceptible of a reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a specific candidate. Some election law experts believe the new exception will render BCRA's "electioneering communication" provisions meaningless, while others believe the new exception is quite narrow. The Federal Election Commission's interpretation and application of the new exception during the 2008 election cycle will determine the true scope and impact of the Court's decision.
Buddhist Democrat

[PBS Poll-435]

56. Yep No TV or RADIO ads

2 U.S.C. 434(f)(3)(c)

[Diane R]

10. Am I the only one who has wondered why her hair isn't wet? I think she's under an awning.

[PoliticalAmazon]

40. I assumed it was photoshopped. Linda Rondstadt refused to use....

a mirophone during a concert in California because of the chance of being electrocuted during the rainstorm.

In fact, they may have just photohopped her head on someone else's body.

[grantcart]

43. well mics are battery operated now but it probably is a photoshopped picture

too perfect

[OzarkDem]

12. Bring it

[grantcart]

18. bring on what - scorn for openly violating laws that Democrats worked hard to get passed

your right that the fine and enforcement won't happen until after everything is decided but it is still a clear attempt to bypass the law.

[OzarkDem]

25. Your argument is flimsy, but by all means

file a complaint. Let's see where it goes.

[grantcart]

30. The law says PACs are not to run ads within 30 days of a primary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform_Act


In June of 2007 the U.S. Supreme Court held, in Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc., that BCRA's limitations on corporate and labor union funding of broadcast ads mentioning a candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election are unconstitutional as applied to ads susceptible of a reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a specific candidate. Some election law experts believe the new exception will render BCRA's "electioneering communication" provisions meaningless, while others believe the new exception is quite narrow. The Federal Election Commission's interpretation and application of the new exception during the 2008 election cycle will determine the true scope and impact of the Court's decision.

[OzarkDem]

93. Go for it

[rodeodance]

89. you do not seem to have won your argument. yet you smear this group. grow up.

[sniffa]

14. Probably, but...

I can't wait to hear her supporters chanting "NOT SO FAST! NOT SO FAST!" at her upcoming rallies.

[grantcart]

22. Actually it will be "NOT SO FAST, READY ON DAY ONE"

[habitual]

32. now that is funny! thanx. n/t

[olkaz]

15. You're right: Nail them on it.

I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier.

[PBS Poll-435]

62. Be glad you didn't!

:-)

[AllentownJake]

19. Who cares

Seriously McPaper. That's the best they can do.

[grantcart]

38. well it has an impact on the discussion and people contributing to the ad

should know that their money will also be going to fines.

They should fine the newspaper and then they would stop taking them.

[AllentownJake]

44. Your bayonetting the wounded at this point

They can't frame the debate or anything else for that manner. Every surrogate they put on TV is treated like Baghdad Bob. Obama is about to reach a thresh hold that even if they keep MI an FL he's still 100 ahead. Nobody is going to seriously count Puerto Rico in the popular vote.

[grantcart]

50. Your bayonetting the wounded at this point --- great line

[AllentownJake]

54. I stole it from a joke about my profession

I'm an auditor we come in after the battle an bayonette the wounded.

[Why Syzygy]

101. (You're)

[PBS Poll-435]

67. Good Idea!!!

:rofl:

[billyoc]

20. If there was an FEC left to complain to, I would.

The FEC has been conveniently disbanded just in time for Mr. Campaign Finance Reform to run his illegal campaign, so everyone else is free to do whatever they want as well. :shrug:

[redqueen]

24. That is such a rock star pic.

[flpoljunkie]

35. I agree. It's a great photo!

[redqueen]

42. Hahahaha... I just imagined her singing "If I Could Turn Back Time" by Cher.

God knows WHY my brain pulled that song out... was that video done in the rain? I dunno... but it cracked me up. :P

[LTR]

97. I hope to God Hillary doesn't show off her ass tattoos

:scared:

[Why Syzygy]

102. Cher did it at the Peter Paul fundraiser for Hillary which she and Bill now deny ever happened.

[Maribelle]

31. Too bad you cut out the part that said I recreated that ad.

The ad was not available on line - and I typed the whole thing.

[grantcart]

36. FEC v Wisconsin Right to Life -- No candidate ads 30 days before a primary

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipartisan_Campaign_Reform...


In June of 2007 the U.S. Supreme Court held, in Federal Election Commission v. Wisconsin Right to Life, Inc., that BCRA's limitations on corporate and labor union funding of broadcast ads mentioning a candidate within 30 days of a primary or caucus or 60 days of a general election are unconstitutional as applied to ads susceptible of a reasonable interpretation other than as an appeal to vote for or against a specific candidate. Some election law experts believe the new exception will render BCRA's "electioneering communication" provisions meaningless, while others believe the new exception is quite narrow. The Federal Election Commission's interpretation and application of the new exception during the 2008 election cycle will determine the true scope and impact of the Court's decision.
Buddhist Democrat




Doesn't matter the ad in USA today is an illegal ad

[PBS Poll-435]

59. Unfortunately, The USA Today Ad

is LEGAL.

[flpoljunkie]

51. Not quite the "whole thing." Interestingly, you left out this part...

http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/an-ad-opportunity-from-womencount-pac/

We know that Hillary will not rest until every American has health insurance, every child can start school ready to learn, every young person has a chance to attend college, every worker will have a safe job at decent wages. She will not rest until our men and women in the military receive the care they deserve and America foreign policy is grounded in human rights and military strength.

We know this because we have seen her do this — at home and around the world.

We cannot stand by as a cacophony of voices demand that she step aside to smooth the road for another.

Women risked all they held dear to make this country great. They put their lives on the line in all our quests for justice – from Abigail Adams to Sojourner Truth to Susan B. Anthony to Eleanor Roosevelt to Fannie Lou Hamer to Barbara Jordan to Dolores Huerta to Hillary herself.

[indimuse]

100. GREAT AD M!

YES WE CAN!

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[lojasmo]

34. It's okay if in support of a clinton

sarcasm tag on.

[PBS Poll-435]

63. It actually is OK for everyone :-)

[lojasmo]

98. Did I hear a buzzing sound?

I'll just ignore it.

[Willo]

48. From their website

http://www.campaignlawyers.com/index.html





Practice Overview

The legal services offered by the Sutton Law Firm include:

- Providing legal clearance for campaign contributions and other fundraising activities of business entities, trade associations and individuals for federal, state and local candidates and committees.

- Setting up internal compliance programs for government affairs departments of businesses and trade associations.

- Acting as general counsel to candidate and ballot measure committees, including legal review of campaign advertisements, drafting and analyzing initiative and referenda, drafting and negotiating contracts with consultants and fundraisers, monitoring recounts and election contests, etc.

- Setting up state and federal PACs and "independent expenditure" committees.

- Advising businesses and nonprofits whether they have to register as "lobbyists" and whether they have to disclose their lobbying activities.

- Representing clients in enforcement proceedings before the Fair Political Practices Commission, Federal Election Commission and local ethics commissions.

- Advising appointed commissioners and elected officials whether they have a "conflict of interest" with respect to pending votes or other ethics issues.

- Representing candidates and ballot measure committees in lawsuits regarding ballot pamphlet materials and campaign communications.

- Preparing and filing campaign, lobbying and financial interest disclosure reports, as well as related tax returns.

[mmonk]

52. I don't know but do rules apply anymore anyway?

[PBS Poll-435]

53. YOU ARE WRONG.

The following communications are exempt from the definition of
electioneering communication. Any communication that:


(1) Is publicly disseminated through a means of communication other
than a broadcast, cable, or satellite television or radio station. For
example, electioneering communication does not include communications
appearing in print media, including a newspaper or magazine, handbill,
brochure, bumper sticker, yard sign, poster, billboard, and other
written materials, including mailings; communications over the Internet,
including electronic mail; or telephone communications;

http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/14feb20071500/edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2007/janqtr/11cfr100.29.htm


Awe Shucks!

[grantcart]

71. that is one section out of hundreds of sections

you are not implying that the FEC considers newspapers and mailer exempt do you?

Here is an FEC article detailing their enforcement against a group that used only mailing and newspaper ads.

http://www.fec.gov/pdf/record/2007/aug07.pdf

It seems that there are 3 clear violations

1) Issue ad versus candidacy ad

2) No cnnection to the candidate and it clearly does

3) Prohibition of ads 30 days before a primary

[PBS Poll-435]

73. LOL....Did you even read it?

They didn't register as a PAC after they had received contributions above the threshold and before they started their ads.

[KAZ]

57. Great work Grant! Though Jake has a point. I've haven't heard..

.. her name mentioned most of the day on MSNBC. IOW, a good day. ;)

K&R

[PBS Poll-435]

58. K&R !!!

;-)

[Zachstar]

64. Only way to find out is to file a complaint with the FEC.

[PBS Poll-435]

65. Good Luck with That! :-)

[grantcart]

74. here is the link

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/complain.shtml

[Shine]

72. I have no idea, but I like her jacket. She looks cool in that picture.

:D

[Willo]

75. It seems it is legal.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/bcra/bcra_update.shtml

On March 27, 2002, President Bush signed into law the Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002 (BCRA), Public Law No. 107-155. The BCRA contains many substantial and technical changes to the federal campaign finance law. The Commission's implementation of BCRA included rulemakings (listed below) on the following topics:

Exemptions
The regulations at 11 CFR 100.29(c)(1) through (5) exempt certain communications from the definition of "electioneering communication":

- A communication that is disseminated through a means other than a broadcast station, radio station, cable television system or satellite system. For example, neither printed media-including newspapers, magazines, bumper stickers, yard signs and billboards-nor communications over the internet, e-mail or the telephone are included;

- A news story, commentary or editorial broadcast by a television station, radio station, cable television system or satellite system. However, if the facilities are owned or controlled by a political party, political committee or candidate, the communication must satisfy the exemption for news stories at 11 CFR 100.132(a) and (b) to be exempt;

- Expenditures or independent expenditures that must otherwise be reported to the Commission;

- A candidate debate or forum or a communication that solely promotes a debate or forum. Communications promoting the debate or forum must be made by or on behalf of the sponsor; and

- Communications by state or local candidates that do not promote, support, attack or oppose federal candidates.

http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/electioneering.shtml

[PBS Poll-435]

79. Yep.

[grantcart]

84. I agree you appear to have answered the OP correctly first

Now if they make a commercial it would be illegal

Anyway prodn2000 you seemed to have nailed it first.

Seems like an awfully big loophole to go through.


It does leave the question of coordinating a 527 with a campaign and use of soft money but admittedly these are much more technical violations that could be argued away.

[PBS Poll-435]

86. Thanks for the mention.

The 2002 law was and is a joke.

AND, it is more than time for an IRC overhaul. 1986 did a lot, but seriously it needs so much consolidation it isn't funny.

[rocktivity]

78. I'm a woman of this nation, and I don't remember being asked to endorse this.

All the "women of this nation" have "united in our unwavering support of Hillary Clinton?" Geez, nobody tells me anything!

"A cacophony of voices demand(s) that she step aside to smooth the road for another?" Her problem is not a cacophony of voices, but of VOTES--she's 17 pledged delegates away from being mathematically eliminated. Wouldn't it be "smoother" for HER and her work if she stepped aside? Of course, she CAN still win--all she has to do is get at least 85.5% of the vote in both KY and OR on Tuesday!

:shrug:
rocknation

[rodeodance]

90. too bad.

[rocktivity]

94. It's definitely too bad if Hillary thinks women owe her "unwavering support"

simply because SHE'S one.

:headbang:
rocknation

[dailykoff]

95. It's one of the few gimmicks she's got

and the only respectable one.

[dailykoff]

87. Brought to you by Women of Exxon Mobil-Halliburton-BP- Shell-CIA-Carlyle Group

and their loved ones.

[union_maid]

88. I just wish...

I just wish you had said "We are some of the women of this nation" because you certainly don't speak for all of us.

[mkultra]

92. this ad degrades many historic women

by association

[genna]

96. Same problem with Obama compared to MLK, maybe Hank Aaron

Maybe in time like Jimmy Carter's human rights record, BHO's record will speak for itself.

[mkultra]

104. which is probably why Obama wouldnt run an ad like that

nothing stops the fighter though.

[rocktivity]

103. "As this indefatigable woman campaigns...(w)e know that Hillary will not rest

until every American has health insurance, every child can start school ready to learn, every young person has a chance to attend college, every worker will have a safe job at decent wages..."

Oh, but you SHOULD get yourself some rest, Hillary--we wouldn't want you to a have another one of those "sleep deprivation" episodes...


:evilgrin:
rocknation

[olkaz]

105. So did anybody find out for sure?

If this was really a violation?

[yourguide]

107. Side note: Michael Jackson called...

he wants his jacket back.